The knowledge and jutsus

[Prince Badman]

Does the Dojutsu like Rinnegan and MS give their user some ingrained knowledge about the abilities.....?
1. Madara used Ranton after gaining both of his eyes.
2. Sasuke instinctively used Deva path powers after his battle with Kaguya in which he hardly used generic rinnegan powers.
3. Edo Madara used all rinnegan powers when said to have obtained rinnegan on his death bed and had them implanted in Nagato.
4. Only Nagato could be perceived as to have actually honed his powers.

So are the techniques like hardwired with the eye or do the user actually have to work for the control and learn to use his/her powers????

 

[uhmusddy]

the Basis of all doujutsu jutsu is building chakra into the eye(s)

Like when Sasuke first used his rinnegan tech ameno, he acknowledged its ability after using it to dodge Madaras lightning “so that’s the power of this eye” he said

Just my theory

 

[Prince Badman]

the Basis of all doujutsu jutsu is building chakra into the eye(s)

Like when Sasuke first used his rinnegan tech ameno, he acknowledged its ability after using it to dodge Madaras lightning “so that’s the power of this eye” he said

Just my theory

i can see your logic but think carefully on NAgato's paths......repairing bodies/puppets, Puppetry, modifying own body, controlling gravity, summoning.....it can't be so simple as if all it took was building chakra in the eye.

 

[Cfighter]

Like everything related to the Rinnegan - it was never explained. Though it's not that hard to make the educated assumption that, like many details over the course of the manga, Kishi kept making shit up as he went along. In my opinion/educated assumption, Kishi thoroughly planned out all of the Rinnegan abilities when he created Pain. Then, after the arc, he decided to write in the plot twist that "Madara" (Tobi) was the one who gave Pain the Rinnegan. All's well so far. But then he decided to have "Madara" (Tobi) take the Rinnegan and give the Edo Tensei Jin a copy of one as well... and that's where I believe Kishi threw things out the window as at that point he had already made up his mind to introduce all the overly-complicated plot threads with Madara and Obito, not to mention that plot-wise Obito + Edo Jin with even ONE of the Pain's abilities each would have completely shat on Naruto/Bee at the time of their fight.

BUT THEN he gave the real Madara BACK his Rinnegan and again, at that point, Madara would have ABSOLUTELY shat on everyone had he been able to use ALL of the Pain's abilities - so Kishi nerfed the Rinnegan. Now Sasuke is a different matter all together as, unlike the Sharingan, we've never encountered two Rinnegan users before. So you could make the argument that in Sasuke's case he either doesn't have access to the same abilities or that he's simple not as experienced/doesn't know how to use them. Again, In my opinion Kishi made the decision to have Sasuke only be able to use a few NEW abilities exclusive to himself as not only would Sasuke be just as OP as Madara at that point but since Kishi already made up his mind to nerf Madara's usage of the Rinnegan it would only make sense to nerf Sasuke's "potential" usage as well.

 

[Edogawa]

Some of things you said are false.

1. Madara used Ranton when he became host of the Jubi. Rikudou Senjutsu grants KKGs as Naruto shown.

2. Sasuke has never used Deva Path or any path power Nagato used.

There are certain powers wired naturally to the Rinnegan; Outer Path, summoning Gedo Mazo and Chibaku Tensei. Other abilities are just specified for certain users; Nagato with his paths, Madara with Limbo, Sasuke with teleportation. It's the same principle with Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

By deva paths power you mean chibaku tensei, then its not deva paths power. Its nagato the seventh pains power. Nagato did hand seals and strained his body for it, while for other jutsu the paths themselves did hand seal. Six paths are only available for nagato and not other rinnegan users, seventh path abilities are CT, Rinne tensei, Gedo mazou summoning. Konan words " Rinnegan itself is a jutsu seperate from the other paths jutsu..." to naruto. Rinnegan is a medium to connect heavenly realm or limbo realm or ameno realm to the real world. The only jutsu of rinnegan is CT, Gedo, Rinne.

 

[JStar King]

Some of things you said are false.

1. Madara used Ranton when he became host of the Jubi. Rikudou Senjutsu grants KKGs as Naruto shown.

2. Sasuke has never used Deva Path or any path power Nagato used.

There are certain powers wired naturally to the Rinnegan; Outer Path, summoning Gedo Mazo and Chibaku Tensei. Other abilities are just specified for certain users; Nagato with his paths, Madara with Limbo, Sasuke with teleportation. It's the same principle with Mangekyou Sharingan.

Um.....Sasuke did use like three paths in the final fight against Naruto including Chibaku Tensei against Naruto and the Tailed Beast.

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[Tyrance sasuke]

Misconceptions again. Rinnegan has an absorption which is generic to all users. Nagato calls it preta path and has unlimited absorption. Madara said "too much energy" when absorbing RS. Rinnegan absorption has limit. Preta path does not.

 

[lImmortal Regis]

Um.....Sasuke did use like three paths in the final fight against Naruto including Chibaku Tensei against Naruto and the Tailed Beast.

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I always wonder about CT. Nagato is an Uzumaki and Uzumaki are known to have large amount of chakra, but he was never able to make same CT like Madara or Sasuke. It others words Sasuke large do have large amount of chakra and even more then Nagato or?

 

[salamander uchiha]

I think chakra reacting with the owners dojutsu and it's effects let the user figure out things about the dojutsu. Also witnessing others use similar jutsu and your eyes seeing the chakra build up and moulding would add to a person's knowledge.

 

[JStar King]

I always wonder about CT. Nagato is an Uzumaki and Uzumaki are known to have large amount of chakra, but he was never able to make same CT like Madara or Sasuke. It others words Sasuke large do have large amount of chakra and even more then Nagato or?

Sasuke has better chakra control. Yes, he also has large reserves, especially after receiving half of Hagoromo's chakra. His chakra control is stated to be on Hagoromo's level, which speaks volumes.

 

[SenseiSama]

Madara used Ranton because of the Juubi, Six Path Senjutsu is the full power of nature and thus grants its users the ability to use every element on this planet.


Rinnegan and MS users don't have "understanding of all things", they have the natural intelligence to understand how chakra works. Itachi's intelligence gave him the ability to read the weakness of every jutsu, Indra's intelligence made him the first human to learn how to use ninjutsu.

Copy jutsu would be the closest thing to "understanding of all things" but it still relies on the user's mental energy

 

[lImmortal Regis]

the Basis of all doujutsu jutsu is building chakra into the eye(s)

Like when Sasuke first used his rinnegan tech ameno, he acknowledged its ability after using it to dodge Madaras lightning “so that’s the power of this eye” he said

Just my theory

I agree with this post.

 

[Prince Badman]

Like everything related to the Rinnegan - it was never explained. Though it's not that hard to make the educated assumption that, like many details over the course of the manga, Kishi kept making shit up as he went along. In my opinion/educated assumption, Kishi thoroughly planned out all of the Rinnegan abilities when he created Pain. Then, after the arc, he decided to write in the plot twist that "Madara" (Tobi) was the one who gave Pain the Rinnegan. All's well so far. But then he decided to have "Madara" (Tobi) take the Rinnegan and give the Edo Tensei Jin a copy of one as well... and that's where I believe Kishi threw things out the window as at that point he had already made up his mind to introduce all the overly-complicated plot threads with Madara and Obito, not to mention that plot-wise Obito + Edo Jin with even ONE of the Pain's abilities each would have completely shat on Naruto/Bee at the time of their fight.

BUT THEN he gave the real Madara BACK his Rinnegan and again, at that point, Madara would have ABSOLUTELY shat on everyone had he been able to use ALL of the Pain's abilities - so Kishi nerfed the Rinnegan. Now Sasuke is a different matter all together as, unlike the Sharingan, we've never encountered two Rinnegan users before. So you could make the argument that in Sasuke's case he either doesn't have access to the same abilities or that he's simple not as experienced/doesn't know how to use them. Again, In my opinion Kishi made the decision to have Sasuke only be able to use a few NEW abilities exclusive to himself as not only would Sasuke be just as OP as Madara at that point but since Kishi already made up his mind to nerf Madara's usage of the Rinnegan it would only make sense to nerf Sasuke's "potential" usage as well.

Ummm....nerfing doesn't seem to be the case.....Madara used Deva, Preta to devastating affects.....he didn't need to use weaker paths to do his bidding.......Same for Sasuke he only used deva and preta....my point was that how did he do it suddenly without any practice or trial and error?

Some of things you said are false.

1. Madara used Ranton when he became host of the Jubi. Rikudou Senjutsu grants KKGs as Naruto shown.

2. Sasuke has never used Deva Path or any path power Nagato used.

There are certain powers wired naturally to the Rinnegan; Outer Path, summoning Gedo Mazo and Chibaku Tensei. Other abilities are just specified for certain users; Nagato with his paths, Madara with Limbo, Sasuke with teleportation. It's the same principle with Mangekyou Sharingan.

What about Madara's Tengai Shinsei (Meteorite summoning)? Sasuke absorbed Kurama's chakra during last fight...he did use preta....point of Ranton is still debatable..how did Madara suddenly know how to use Ranton if he acquired that ability just minutes before? In NAruto's case i can say that tailed beasts simply synchronized their chakra with him...Madara had in him the incomplete juubi and later shinju

By deva paths power you mean chibaku tensei, then its not deva paths power. Its nagato the seventh pains power. Nagato did hand seals and strained his body for it, while for other jutsu the paths themselves did hand seal. Six paths are only available for nagato and not other rinnegan users, seventh path abilities are CT, Rinne tensei, Gedo mazou summoning. Konan words " Rinnegan itself is a jutsu seperate from the other paths jutsu..." to naruto. Rinnegan is a medium to connect heavenly realm or limbo realm or ameno realm to the real world. The only jutsu of rinnegan is CT, Gedo, Rinne.

Sasuke used preta....

Misconceptions again. Rinnegan has an absorption which is generic to all users. Nagato calls it preta path and has unlimited absorption. Madara said "too much energy" when absorbing RS. Rinnegan absorption has limit. Preta path does not.

Madara also absorbed Onoki's jinton......what about him absorbing the entire shinju? I can certainly say that shinju had more energy than Naruto's RS

 

[Prince Badman]

I always wonder about CT. Nagato is an Uzumaki and Uzumaki are known to have large amount of chakra, but he was never able to make same CT like Madara or Sasuke. It others words Sasuke large do have large amount of chakra and even more then Nagato or?

Dude Nagato like fought the entire village, leveled it to the ground with Shinra tensei, fought with SM Naruto, then his 6 tailed berserk mode and then used Chibaku tensei........also Nagato was using borrowed eyes

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Misconception is he absorbed jinton >>> FRS but fact is, FRS takes so much chakra, a chakra beast like naruto can only use it four times in beginning with SM mode. RS >>> Jinton. Madara absorbed shinju but shinju =/= chakra. Madara never absorbed shinju with his rinnegan power.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Does the Dojutsu like Rinnegan and MS give their user some ingrained knowledge about the abilities.....?
1. Madara used Ranton after gaining both of his eyes.
2. Sasuke instinctively used Deva path powers after his battle with Kaguya in which he hardly used generic rinnegan powers.
3. Edo Madara used all rinnegan powers when said to have obtained rinnegan on his death bed and had them implanted in Nagato.
4. Only Nagato could be perceived as to have actually honed his powers.

So are the techniques like hardwired with the eye or do the user actually have to work for the control and learn to use his/her powers????

It's called handout my friend handouts

 

[Prince Badman]

Misconception is he absorbed jinton >>> FRS but fact is, FRS takes so much chakra, a chakra beast like naruto can only use it four times in beginning with SM mode. RS >>> Jinton. Madara absorbed shinju but shinju =/= chakra. Madara never absorbed shinju with his rinnegan power.

then how did he absorb shinju? Shinju is the collection of all the chakra....jinton point is acceptable

 

[Prince Badman]

It's called handout my friend handouts

well thats an answer......:devil:

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Dude Nagato like fought the entire village, leveled it to the ground with Shinra tensei, fought with SM Naruto, then his 6 tailed berserk mode and then used Chibaku tensei........also Nagato was using borrowed eyes

And you also have to add and he did all of that and a 90 year old body