The knowledge and jutsus

[salamander uchiha]

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Chakra control

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It doesnt matter I'm not interested in your excuses how does any of this prove chakra control/skill level and remove being the Kyubis host and the benefits it allows as the reason he was able to learn the jutsu?

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

It doesnt matter I'm not interested in your excuses how does any of this prove chakra control/skill level and remove being the Kyubis host and the benefits it allows as the reason he was able to learn the jutsu?

Shape + nature convertion at same time = natural talent not experience stated by kakashi. Some cant comprehend it.

 

[salamander uchiha]

Shape + nature convertion at same time = natural talent not experience stated by kakashi. Some cant comprehend it.

I gathered that.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

I gathered that.

We know that naruto is asura transmigrant so he has the powers of asura genes dormant inside his body. Thats natural talent. There are lots of old experienced shinobi, none of them except the 3rd raikage showed shape transformation + nature manipulation at the same time and here we've some exceptional people talking as its the most easiest thing to do.

No of people capable of shape manipulation can be counted in ten fingers.

 

[Edogawa]

Um.....Sasuke did use like three paths in the final fight against Naruto including Chibaku Tensei against Naruto and the Tailed Beast.

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1. Chibaku Tensei isn't a path power as Kishimoto said in the databook.
2. That wasn't BT or Deva. CT can be pulled after its completion.
3. Not Preta Path either. He doesn't have an orb nor he could absorb and use a technique with it.

Sasuke doesn't have any path power, except the Outer Path as that comes naturally with the Rinnegan. If he had the 6 Paths powers, he would have used against Momoshiki and Shin. And no, plot didn't restrict him just in case you'll respond with pitiful excuses.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Sasuke had some prior knowledge being sround obito and the akatsuki , Madara probably experimented , and Sasuke read the tablet too,

 

[MightGai]

Like when kakashi obtained dual MS from Obito and pulled a PS out of his ass. Not only that, he merged Susano'o shurikens with Kamui but then again, they were at a point in history where you didn't have the luxury to learn abilities in a scroll or something.

Also, there is a really good reason why he's called Sage of the six (6) paths..... rinnegan users share all 6 paths between then, Sasuke showed this with Chibaku Tensen, then Bashou tennin, then absorption of Naruto's chakra. Same as Madara. Like MS, some of them may have unique abilities. The only one that didn't showcase this was the one that got gifted his Rinnegan, but the rest did.

So stop with the nonsense of Pain only being able to use the paths

 

[Umari Senju]

i can see your logic but think carefully on NAgato's paths......repairing bodies/puppets, Puppetry, modifying own body, controlling gravity, summoning.....it can't be so simple as if all it took was building chakra in the eye.

Well in Nagato’s case he had the Rinnegan at a young age, was trained by Jiraiya with it, and after becoming crippled by the Gedo Mazo, had years to develop his techniques in the shadows before showing to the world.

Same with Madara, he awoke his Rinnegan as an old man, had the tablet for reference, and years to study its use.

Sasuke was a special case I suppose. Or maybe the techs happen instinctively at some point. Like putting your hand up to shield your face when someone takes a swing at you, or maybe he learned by watching others like Maddy and Obito use it during the war and kind of tried it out for himself with the aforementioned results.

You have a point though sure.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Like when kakashi obtained dual MS from Obito and pulled a PS out of his ass. Not only that, he merged Susano'o shurikens with Kamui but then again, they were at a point in history where you didn't have the luxury to learn abilities in a scroll or something.

Obito's eyes contain his memories. Why do you think Ao could use byakugan perfectly? Its not an asspull.

Also, there is a really good reason why he's called Sage of the six (6) paths..... rinnegan users share all 6 paths between then, Sasuke showed this with Chibaku Tensen, then Bashou tennin, then absorption of Naruto's chakra. Same as Madara. Like MS, some of them may have unique abilities. The only one that didn't showcase this was the one that got gifted his Rinnegan, but the rest did.

So stop with the nonsense of Pain only being able to use the paths

You illiterate, this is what happens you don't read the manga, remember how BZ manipulated the tablet? He wrote some utter bullsh*t there. The reason why madara thought he was the saviour and even thought he was SO6P himself. Why didn't he use even one jutsu of your rinnegan with the jutsu name? He must've known the names since he was the first possessor right? Cant you think with logic and not bullsh*t? Never did he even use the purple dragons which nagato used, instead used the chains of gedo. If he did that, all the alliance wouldve been wiped out.

 

[Edogawa]

What about Madara's Tengai Shinsei (Meteorite summoning)? Sasuke absorbed Kurama's chakra during last fight...he did use preta....point of Ranton is still debatable..how did Madara suddenly know how to use Ranton if he acquired that ability just minutes before? In NAruto's case i can say that tailed beasts simply synchronized their chakra with him...Madara had in him the incomplete juubi and later shinju

I can't comment on Tengai Shinsei because it doesn't have a page in the databook nor it's been explained in the manga. That isn't Preta Path because countless characters have shown to absorb Chakra, and blind Madara did so even without eyes. Absorbing Chakra/Jutsu /=/ Preta Path. Preta Path is an orb that absorbs Chakra/Ninjutsu without limit, and can be used with other techniques at the same time, as stated in the databook; neither Sasuke or Madara shown an absorption similar to that. Momoshiki uses the Rinnegan to absorb, but his absorption is different. We don't say that's Preta Path straight away. Ability to use KKG comes from using Rikudou Senjutsu, which can be acquired by 9 Bijus or Jubi; it doesn't matter what the source is. Rikudou Senjutsu is what enabled Madara to use Ranton.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Yes. There is some weird way Dojutsu users gain information in their eyes which is why they can use jutsu's they never used or even seen before. Probably has something to do with it being related to Yin release which is imagination. With that said, it makes me reflect about that statement Sasuke said about becoming immortal and now I'm more confident he would've found it.

 

[Tyrance sasuke]

Yes. There is some weird way Dojutsu users gain information in their eyes which is why they can use jutsu's they never used or even seen before. Probably has something to do with it being related to Yin release which is imagination. With that said, it makes me reflect about that statement Sasuke said about becoming immortal and now I'm more confident he would've found it.

Sharingan is the eye of feelings or heart. Obitos MS contains his feelings, through that, kakashi gets to know how he felt during his lifetime, getting the knowledge of the dojutsu. Sharingan is activated through intense feelings, so learning it also requires to know the feelings of the true user.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Sharingan is the eye of feelings or heart. Obitos MS contains his feelings, through that, kakashi gets to know how he felt during his lifetime, getting the knowledge of the dojutsu. Sharingan is activated through intense feelings, so learning it also requires to know the feelings of the true user.

This doesn't explain Rinnegan thou which shares a compartment with Sharingan.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Madara’s storm release is a Rsm move not a rinnegan one it says Sage art before he performs it.
Edo Madara did not use any rinnegan moves besides absorbing and this meteor jutsu. He couldn’t even use limbo hengoku.
Lastly Sasuke did not use deva path power.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Um.....Sasuke did use like three paths in the final fight against Naruto including Chibaku Tensei against Naruto and the Tailed Beast.

Chibaku Tensei​

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Last one is outer path iirc.

 

[Warlocks]

I always wonder about CT. Nagato is an Uzumaki and Uzumaki are known to have large amount of chakra, but he was never able to make same CT like Madara or Sasuke. It others words Sasuke large do have large amount of chakra and even more then Nagato or?

six path chakra >>>>>>>>>>>>>any one

 

[SeveN797]

I can't comment on Tengai Shinsei because it doesn't have a page in the databook nor it's been explained in the manga. That isn't Preta Path because countless characters have shown to absorb Chakra, and blind Madara did so even without eyes. Absorbing Chakra/Jutsu /=/ Preta Path. Preta Path is an orb that absorbs Chakra/Ninjutsu without limit, and can be used with other techniques at the same time, as stated in the databook; neither Sasuke or Madara shown an absorption similar to that. Momoshiki uses the Rinnegan to absorb, but his absorption is different. We don't say that's Preta Path straight away. Ability to use KKG comes from using Rikudou Senjutsu, which can be acquired by 9 Bijus or Jubi; it doesn't matter what the source is. Rikudou Senjutsu is what enabled Madara to use Ranton.

What did Madara use here in your opinion?

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[Tyrance sasuke]

What did Madara use here in your opinion?

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Madara used generic rinnegan jutsu. If he knew preta path, then he wouldve said its name as he was the original rinnegan wielder.

 

[chaos control]

No. He clearly meant the opposite. Whats the link between body crumbling and too much energy?


He absorbed it, but it was his limit. The rinnegan absorption limit.

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If Madara got hit with that rasenshuriken, he would have crumpled to pieces and then the shinobi alliance would have sealed him as he was reforming and won the battle then and there.

In other words, Madara's line "too much energy" , was basically just a short way of saying "If I get hit with that attack, it's over!"

That is why he absorbed it. No such rinnegan absorption limit has been established.

 

[SenseiSama]

any proof???? NE is different chakra is different...it was shinu's fruit that gave Kaguya the chakra......Nagato absorbed Naruto and BEE's chakra using preta when they were using their respective biju chakra.....Senjutsu chakra = physical + spiritual + Nature energy. this was what Fukasaku explained to Naruto.....Naruto was the only jinchuriki capable of sage mode...Madara too Hashi's chakra using rinnegan and stabilised it using his implanted cells.

You combine NE with chakra to produce Senjutsu

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The Shinu is powerful because it's the highest form of Senjutsu chakra, it's the equivalent of the Norse world tree in the sense it's 'one' with the the universe (NE).


The chakra it develops doesn't come only from NE however, it was explained that the flower bloomed as a result of consuming the dead bodies of fallen soldiers over the course of history.

Basically the tree gained it's source of physical and spiritual energy from dead bodies and combined with its connection to NE it produces the Shinju fruit.