The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

In battle is what Iwas referring too. Which is not what you provided.​

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didnt sauske beat danzo with genjutsu in battle?

 

[Strict]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Of course, when in your dreams the opponent is not allowed to sense, is not allowed to use clones, is not allowed to summon, isn't allowed to enter SM, Itachi is the first one to strike, put Minato inside a genjutsu without him realising, of course in this type of fanfiction everyone could write and make the one he supports the winner

Alright. I will post all scenarios where an Uchiha cast Genjutsu successfully on his opponents, whether they had knowledge or not, and you post all scenarios where someone did successfully avoid eye contact and fought with the Uchiha and was able to keep up with him. I recall Sakura, who said that it's a very hard issue to avoid eye contact for obvious reasons.

I will give you numerous scenarios where Itachi was the one to make the first move while not giving his opponents a chance.

Sensing is allowed, but the level of tracking Minato displayed and not Juubito level sensing, which senses the built up of Chakra in one's eyes and reacts instantly at it, or Madara, who, for some unknown reasons is able to feel the type and signature of an Uchiha's eyes while stalemating and talking to him. Without taking Tobirama as an argument, who merely explained how it comes to awakening the Sharingan.

If you want to support Minato, support him objectively. Nuff sayin.

 

[blazekev90]

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Glipse? He didn't see his face, not then

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He saw literally the side of someone's body, and when that body turned, it became clear. by then he was already hiding behind the tree

That's different from deidara, who made eye contact all throughout the fight

That's Naruto view, as i said it appears to be nothing more than a shadow. But even if it appeared to be nothing more than that, looking at the sharingan without full/direct visual of it, one can still be put in genjutsu. It's not like his sharingan wasn't already activated. The mention of Sasuke and Deidara comes into play because when considering when he got caught in genjutsu, Deidara had no full view of his sharingan.

But I'm tired of this discussion now

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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didnt sauske beat danzo with genjutsu in battle?

Sasuke isn't Obito. lol​

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[AGoodBoy]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

if hes in sage mode he can see the battlefield with his eye closed as naruto showed. also if all itachi needs it genjutsu why dint he take down obito(fake madara) to protect sasuke instead of using that trap? he could have easily killed danzo and taken over the uchiha to stop to rebellion. he didn't do any of those things the only proof you have is naruto vs itachi who is far less experienced and knowledgeable than a previous hokage who lived when the uchiha where still strong. even sasuke beat itachi in the genjutsu department in the end(as far as i remember off the top of my head it been a while since i read those ones) didnt he?

Because all those people have a sharingan you dumbass. Minato doesn't have one. He can't automatically cancel all genjutsu that's not tsukuyomi, or initiate a genjutsu face off the second itachi does one.
So minato's going to start the battle with sage mode active and his eyes closed...? I mean come on... You guys can't even argue how minato gets past the first genjutsu. Literally every single person who's face itachi, down to kakashi's shadow clone, has been caught in a genjutsu from the onset but minato won't be? :vincent:

and, btw, just to list the 'everyone' i mentioned;
-Orochimaru was caught from the start
-Anko was caught from the start(her genjutsu reversed)
-naruto was caught from the start twice or thrice.
- sasuke was caught from the start (as a kid and in his 1v1 with itachi)
- deidara was caught from the start

the only person who wasn't caught from the very start was kakashi because of the sharingan. IE itachi opted for tsukuyomi because his sharingan would auto-see through other genjutsu making it impossible to incapacitate him with basic genjutsu. In other words no sharingan = no good.

*sasuke broke tsukuyomi. Something minato can't even do.

Which is why i said depends on their starting postions. There are many things to factor in; who would be the first move, minato's act of choice etc.

I'm not arguing his victory, just the possibility of him avoiding genjutsu as the start of the fight

It takes itachi's sharingan being on for you to be caught. Something he starts every fight with. There is no conceivable scenario where what you're saying is honestly possible. This fight has to start with them facing each other unless one ambushed the other. In which case, the minato the other turns to face the ambusher, minato's caught in a genjutsu.
This of course based on your previous claims

Of course, when in your dreams the opponent is not allowed to sense, is not allowed to use clones, is not allowed to summon, isn't allowed to enter SM, Itachi is the first one to strike, put Minato inside a genjutsu without him realising, of course in this type of fanfiction everyone could write and make the one he supports the winner

Apart from the sensing, manga canon says you can't do any of those other things lmfao. The only fanfic is believe minato isn't in a genjutsu he has to break from the start. Seeing as that's how manga canon fights with itachi always go unless you possess a dojutsu.

 

[Owarij]

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@Owarij how do you think the dusk crow genjutsu work then?

It could be a number of things. If he was skilled enough to make a genjutsu where you would only need to see his finger. There are many weird things he could have pulled off.. Glancing at a particular body part, Utilizing handseals inside of his coat, Or just a genjutsu that requires neither
It doesn't really matter

 

[WolfHaley]

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Am I the only one that can't view page 5? :|

 

[Bogard]

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Alright. I will post all scenarios where an Uchiha cast Genjutsu successfully on his opponents, whether they had knowledge or not, and you post all scenarios where someone did successfully avoid eye contact and fought with the Uchiha and was able to keep up with him. I recall Sakura, who said that it's a very hard issue to avoid eye contact for obvious reasons.

I will give you numerous scenarios where Itachi was the one to make the first move while not giving his opponents a chance.

Sensing is allowed, but the level of tracking Minato displayed and not Juubito level sensing, which senses the built up of Chakra in ones eyes and reacts instantly at it, or Madara, who, for some unknown reasons is able to feel the type and signature of an Uchiha's eyes while stalemating and talking to him. Without taking Tobirama as an argument, who merely explained how it comes to awakening the Sharingan.

If you want to support Minato, support him objectively. Nuff sayin.

Well i won't even argue with you concerning your workings of the sensing jutsu. I'll just show you one thing i already posted but gets ignored for some reasons

In SM, Minato has this level of sensing

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SM Naruto was capable to see battlefields despite not even been close. With this level of sensing, the sight isn't important. How does Itachi put SM Minato in a genjutsu then?

 

[Touken]

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Am I the only one that can't view page 5? :|

It's fine for me.

 

[blazekev90]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Because all those people have a sharingan you dumbass. Minato doesn't have one. He can't automatically cancel all genjutsu that's not tsukuyomi, or initiate a genjutsu face off the second itachi does one.
So minato's going to start the battle with sage mode active and his eyes closed...? I mean come on... You guys can't even argue how minato gets past the first genjutsu. Literally every single person who's face itachi, down to kakashi's shadow clone, has been caught in a genjutsu from the onset but minato won't be? :vincent:

and, btw, just to list the 'everyone' i mentioned;
-Orochimaru was caught from the start
-Anko was caught from the start(her genjutsu reversed)
-naruto was caught from the start twice or thrice.
- sasuke was caught from the start (as a kid and in his 1v1 with itachi)
- deidara was caught from the start

the only person who wasn't caught from the very start was kakashi because of the sharingan. IE itachi opted for tsukuyomi because his sharingan would auto-see through other genjutsu making it impossible to incapacitate him with basic genjutsu. In other words no sharingan = no good.

*sasuke broke tsukuyomi. Something minato can't even do.

It takes itachi's sharingan being on for you to be caught. Something he starts every fight with. There is no conceivable scenario where what you're saying is honestly possible. This fight has to start with them facing each other unless one ambushed the other. In which case, the minato the other turns to face the ambusher, minato's caught in a genjutsu.
This of course based on your previous claims

Actually that's false. One day i previewed whether uchiha start with sharingan activated and i found that wasnt the case. In majority of the situations, Itachi activates his shar(Sasuke as well) by briefly closing their eyes.

Ironically i searched that in response to a previous discussion we had. I read through the entire series again and most instances regarding uchiha they performed these steps to even activate their sharingan before battle.

 

[Strict]

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Naruto didn't see what happen at the battlefields, that just illustrated how he is able to perceive all the battles, I think the illustration makes it clear. And it's not like Naruto did it while actively fighting, he concentrated upon sensing this. Sensing doesn't mean you can effectively sense or react at things. You wank Minato too much at this point. All these sensing things never happened in an active battle at this same scale.

I actually wonder whether alive Minato really possessed Sage Mode or absorbed some of it by his son. I mean he asked Naruto to add his Senchakra to his own Rasengan so he would be able hit Juubito.

 

[Bogard]

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Naruto didn't see what happen at the battlefields, that just illustrated how he is able to perceive all the battles, I think the illustration makes it clear. And it's not like Naruto did it while actively fighting, he concentrated upon sensing this. Sensing doesn't mean you can effectively sense or react at things. You wank Minato too much at this point. All these sensing things never happened in an active battle at this same scale.

I actually wonder whether alive Minato really possessed Sage Mode or absorbed some of it by his son. I mean he asked Naruto to add his Senchakra to his own Rasengan so he would be able hit Juubito.

One advice, re-read the battle against Pain. SM Naruto was fighting some Pain even without light

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The reason you're trying these excuses are only because you refuse to admit genjutsu is far from an issue in this fight because you want to wank your boy even more

It could be a number of things. If he was skilled enough to make a genjutsu where you would only need to see his finger. There are many weird things he could have pulled off.. Glancing at a particular body part, Utilizing handseals inside of his coat, Or just a genjutsu that requires neither
It doesn't really matter

No it does matter in a versus battle. If we don't know how the genjutsu works, then we shouldn't use it as a feat then. For me the crow remains the most logical explanation if you ask me. I don't think Kishi draw them crows for nothing, eventhough you do have a point concerning the feathers. It may be drawing mistake as well

 

[Draegod]

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PPL are confusing the different type of genjutsu's Sasuke and itachi use as one big and one type of genjutsu. lmmfao So many manga pages took out of context it's sad..

 

[Owarij]

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No it does matter in a versus battle. If we don't know how the genjutsu works, then we shouldn't use it as a feat then

Unfortunately it was used, and by manga pages, there is preqreuisite needed to cast the abiltiy.. just as pein doesn't need any to utilize deva path.

 

[Strict]

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Nah, not true, since I debated the whole time while counting the Sage Mode.

The scans you provided mean actually nothing, Bogard. That was a position, in which the Path itself had a blocked vision. For a sensor in this case, it would be enough to track the position of a target to effectively aim at him, as the target himself isn't able to dodge as he is blinded as well. Itachi however isn't blinded, is extremely fast, possesses ocular powers and makes regularly use of feints and tricks.

Are these sparks what you call fire?

 

[Bogard]

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Unfortunately it was used, and by manga pages, there is preqreuisite needed to cast the abiltiy.. just as pein doesn't need any to utilize deva path.

It was used but we don't know how. In this case how could we applicate it in a versus battle? What you're saying is basically as if we were starting to say all Itachi's opponents would fall for his genjutsu. We don't know how, but they would fall for it

Nah, not true, since I debated the whole time while counting the Sage Mode.

The scans you provided mean actually nothing, Bogard. That was a position, in which the Path itself had a blocked vision. For a sensor in this case, it would be enough to track the position of a target to effectively aim at him, as the target himself isn't able to dodge as he is blinded as well. Itachi however isn't blinded, is extremely fast, possesses ocular powers and makes regularly use of feints and tricks.

Are these sparks what you call fire?

Exactly, contradicting your own statement:

And it's not like Naruto did it while actively fighting, he concentrated upon sensing this. Sensing doesn't mean you can effectively sense or react at things. You wank Minato too much at this point. All these sensing things never happened in an active battle at this same scale.

How can you say he can't fight while sensing when SM Naruto actually did that?

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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No offence to T Borgard because he seems rather intelligent debater, but you need to stop riding on this sensor shit. It's been already show in the manga Itachi's genjustu can bypass sensor who are better than Minatn top of that he hasn't show to be able to fight while in his sensor mode shown last chap when he entered it his rasengan disappeared. Minato sensing skill ain't helping him against the best genjustu user in the manga. If you've already countered this my bad. ​

 

[Bogard]

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No offence to T Borgard because he seems rather intelligent debater, but you need to stop riding on this sensor shit. It's been already show in the manga Itachi's genjustu can bypass sensor who are better than Minatn top of that he hasn't show to be able to fight while in his sensor mode shown last chap when he entered it his rasengan disappeared. Minato sensing skill ain't helping him against the best genjustu user in the manga. If you've already countered this my bad. ​

Madara fodderised his opponents eyes close. SM Naruto fodderised some paths eyes close. There is no reason to believe Minato who always possess a perfect SM couldn't fight eyes close

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Actually that's false. One day i previewed whether uchiha start with sharingan activated and i found that wasnt the case. In majority of the situations, Itachi activates his shar(Sasuke as well) by briefly closing their eyes.

Ironically i searched that in response to a previous discussion we had. I read through the entire series again and most instances regarding uchiha they performed these steps to even activate their sharingan before battle.

No no what I meant was he starts off his fights by activating his sharingan which is the instant you get caught.

But, I think i understand your logic here. By closing his eyes minato has time to prep a viable defence before sharingan comes on... I'll assume minato has intel to know about going to such drastic measure. If that's the case, It's entirely possible that minato can drag this fight past an initial genjutsu restraint. Would he win? Unlikely as exploding bushins and crow bushin feints are quite valid tactics in this battle if used correctly...

Good to know I got you to go through the manga lol. I sometimes have to do this when some people bring up a claim i didn't know that pushed me into a corner XD. Sometimes I lose, other times the person was intentionally withholding info

 

[Prince Charles]

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Whoa lmao just re-read the current chap, never noticed minato went into sage mode...