The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[AGoodBoy]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

ahahahahaha really? ok here

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he has a Mangekyō Sharingan so he can use it(as you admitted when saying "using Genjutsu on Kurama") end of discussion. Or are you making up the fact that Obito is the only uchiha with Mangekyō Sharingan who cant use it?

You're missing the point that obito, sasuke and madara use genjutsu as a supplementary and in obvious ways.

Itachi's a genjutsu fighter. Name one other uchiha who can use genjutsu without their sharingan? There is none. Even kakashi needs his sharingan for that. Itachi's a genjutsu fighter.

What you're stating is like claiming you can fight trollkage without ever getting caught in his mirage even once.

Damn my ni**a Itachi got held down in this thread. Itachi fans finally using their heads I knew we could do it eventually. OT:Itachi>Minato....U_U.​

umm.. there's always at least one logical counter within an itachi thread. It's usually just burried under a mass of haters screaming
"Itachi fanboy!"
"oh so itachi can beat hashirama and madara now because he can beat my fave xyz??? "
"Itachi has low stamina. xyz default wins because stamina. don't come to me with those logical scans about stamina never playing a role in any of his matches. It will play a role this time!"
"Susano'o and amaterasu can be countered using this and this and blah blah" *proceed to avoid talking about genjutus*


side note: owarji, bogard's actually correct.
Bogard, you're implying minato even knows about the crows :| Nothign suggests anyone starts off with their eyes closed. Even kabuto looked directly into itachi's eyes until itachi mouthed off his entire tsukuyomi plan.

 

[Strict]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

..and reacting at a crow is far more difficult. Naruto himself was prepared for not to look into his eyes but was distracted by the crows, which immediately caught him in a Genjutsu. But of course it doesn't work on Minato, as he will keep his eyes closed no matter of what and perfectly counter the rest of Itachi's arsenal.

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[Owarij]

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Now you do have a point we don't see the feathers after genjutsu, but it doesn't always happen when crow fly

Same argument as Uzumaki, Unfortunately it falls apart when you pay close attention to details

1) No feathers. means no actual crows were used. We litterally see in the prior scan that that is not the first crow that was released, and the crows are shedding feathers, frequently

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They were just for show in the genjutsu. If there were hundreds of crows flappign around there would be a trace, as there always is when Itachi does something similar.

2) He told naruto he was already in the genjutsu. If the use of the crow was the trigger, he would have said "you're now in my genjutus"

3)Naruto rushed forward right before Itachi let out any crows to begin with. When the genjutsu ends, we see naruto back at the first tree, i.e close to when he landed. If the crow signalled the genjutsu start. naruto would be much closer to itachi once it ended

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I.e that close

This means only one thing. Naruto never actually rushed at him. That was in the genjutsu. Itachi never opened his cloak, that was in the genjutsu as well

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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ahahahahaha really? ok here

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he has a Mangekyō Sharingan so he can use it(as you admitted when saying "using Genjutsu on Kurama") end of discussion. Or are you making up the fact that Obito is the only uchiha with Mangekyō Sharingan who cant use it?

In battle is what Iwas referring too. Which is not what you provided.​

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[Enki420]

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You're missing the point that obito, sasuke and madara use genjutsu as a supplementary and in obvious ways.

Itachi's a genjutsu fighter. Name one other uchiha who can use genjutsu without their sharingan? There is none. Even kakashi needs his sharingan for that. Itachi's a genjutsu fighter.

What you're stating is like claiming you can fight trollkage without ever getting caught in his mirage even once.

ahahahahah As opposed to your itachi is the supreme genjutsu god(yet was a puppet of others his entire life) who can catch anyone any time in his mirage and no one can beat him argument.

 

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

..and reacting at a crow is far more difficult. Naruto himself was prepared for not to look into his eyes but was distracted by the crows, which immediately caught him in a Genjutsu. But of course it doesn't work on Minato, as he will keep his eyes closed no matter of what and perfectly counter the rest of Itachi's arsenal.

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Not my fault if you lack reading comprehension if you even read my posts at all, that's it

 

[blazekev90]

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Spoiler

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I already told you. Naruto didn't even glipse a sharingan until he was already hiding behind the tree. To which he then started looking at his feet.. He simply saw a black figure in the bushes. So that goes right out the window

When trying to recognize a foe, the first thing you look at is their face. Regardless if Naruto was able to make out who it was, in taking a glimpse as Itachi he's vulnerable to genjutsu. In casting genjutsu one does not need fully exposed of the sharingan to be caught. The distance in which Sasuke used genjutsu on Deidara proves that.

The fact remains, the landing position we see the same surrounding environment as when genjutsu ends.

I'll leave it at that since we can't agree on anything

 

[AGoodBoy]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

ahahahahah As opposed to your itachi is the supreme genjutsu god(yet was a puppet of others his entire life) who can catch anyone any time in his mirage and no one can beat him argument.

madara, hashirama, bsm naruto, ems sasuke, nagato all shit stomp him. Dsm kabuto has a chance of going both ways, so do a select few. Minato loses.

Are you finished talking shit now? Or are you going to make a valid argument instead of mouthing off like a brain dead orphan?

When trying to recognize a foe, the first thing you look at is their face. Regardless if Naruto was able to make out who it was, in taking a glimpse as Itachi he's vulnerable to genjutsu. In casting genjutsu one does not need fullyexposure of the sharingan to be caught. The distance in which Sasuke used genjutsu on Deidara proves that.

The fact remains, the landing position we see the same surrounding environment as when genjutsu ends.

I'll leave it at that since we can't agree anything

If he glance is all it just takes, you then agree minato's caught. I don't see him starting a match with his back facing itachi, or his eyes closed. Do you?

 

[Airbear]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Dang demonic avenger... To think you would actually agree with majority in this thread and go with itachi. Always thought you weren't typically fond of uchihas... At least I see your opinions don't originate from your character preference, but more on factors and circumstances. You have my respect.

 

[Owarij]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

in taking a glimpse as Itachi he's vulnerable to genjuts

Glipse? He didn't see his face, not then

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He saw literally the side of someone's body, and when that body turned, it became clear. by then he was already hiding behind the tree

That's different from deidara, who made eye contact all throughout the fight

 

[Airbear]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

madara, hashirama, bsm naruto, ems sasuke, nagato all shit stomp him. Dsm kabuto has a chance of going both ways, so do a select few. Minato loses.

Are you finished talking shit now? Or are you going to make a valid argument instead of mouthing off like a brain dead orphan?



If he glance is all it just takes, you then agree minato's caught. I don't see him starting a match with his back facing itachi, or his eyes closed. Do you?

... Goodboy got you there.

 

[Strict]

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I know it's hard to debate against Uchiha. You look in their eyes and you're soloed. You look at their finger and you are soloed. You close your eyes and you are soloed. It's not a shame for Minato to lose to the strongest. Itachi has Tsukuyomi, he has the two ultimate spiritual weapons, he got Shisui's eye and Izanami. He got everything.

It's only a Manga, so there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Touken]

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Spoiler

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I already told you. Naruto didn't even glipse a sharingan until he was already hiding behind the tree. To which he then started looking at his feet.. He simply saw a black figure in the bushes. So that goes right out the window

You're under the implication that Itachi always has his Tsukuyomi prepped. If that was the case, he'd be out of most battles in a few minutes considering he can't spam it. He still has to build-up chakra for Tsukuyomi and then Minato can simply close his eyes or look away. Once Itachi's stopped Tsukuyomi, Minato's free to look into his eyes again until Itachi tries again. He can't fight and keep Tsukuyomi prepped, it'd be extremely chakra taxing.

 

[Strict]

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You're under the implication that Itachi always has his Tsukuyomi prepped. If that was the case, he'd be out of most battles in a few minutes considering he can't spam it. He still has to build-up chakra for Tsukuyomi and then Minato can simply close his eyes or look away. Once Itachi's stopped Tsukuyomi, Minato's free to look into his eyes again until Itachi tries again.

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[Touken]

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Now what's the problem, mister?

 

[Disquiet]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Just finished reading this thread, very fun to read as I expected. u.u

If he glance is all it just takes, you then agree minato's caught. I don't see him starting a match with his back facing itachi, or his eyes closed. Do you?

I thought the same thing when I saw that. When I read "when trying to recognize a foe, the first thing you look at is their face". I thought "Hmm." Then when he went on to say you don't even need fully exposure...

 

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

@Owarij how do you think the dusk crow genjutsu work then?

 

[Enki420]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

madara, hashirama, bsm naruto, ems sasuke, nagato all shit stomp him. Dsm kabuto has a chance of going both ways, so do a select few. Minato loses.

Are you finished talking shit now? Or are you going to make a valid argument instead of mouthing off like a brain dead orphan?



If he glance is all it just takes, you then agree minato's caught. I don't see him starting a match with his back facing itachi, or his eyes closed. Do you?

if hes in sage mode he can see the battlefield with his eye closed as naruto showed. also if all itachi needs it genjutsu why dint he take down obito(fake madara) to protect sasuke instead of using that trap? he could have easily killed danzo and taken over the uchiha to stop to rebellion. he didn't do any of those things the only proof you have is naruto vs itachi who is far less experienced and knowledgeable than a previous hokage who lived when the uchiha where still strong. even sasuke beat itachi in the genjutsu department in the end(as far as i remember off the top of my head it been a while since i read those ones) didnt he?

 

[blazekev90]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

madara, hashirama, bsm naruto, ems sasuke, nagato all shit stomp him. Dsm kabuto has a chance of going both ways, so do a select few. Minato loses.

Are you finished talking shit now? Or are you going to make a valid argument instead of mouthing off like a brain dead orphan?



If he glance is all it just takes, you then agree minato's caught. I don't see him starting a match with his back facing itachi, or his eyes closed. Do you?

Which is why i said depends on their starting postions. There are many things to factor in; who would be the first move, minato's act of choice etc.

I'm not arguing his victory, just the possibility of him avoiding genjutsu at the start of the fight

 

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

I know it's hard to debate against Uchiha. You look in their eyes and you're soloed. You look at their finger and you are soloed. You close your eyes and you are soloed. It's not a shame for Minato to lose to the strongest. Itachi has Tsukuyomi, he has the two ultimate spiritual weapons, he got Shisui's eye and Izanami. He got everything.

It's only a Manga, so there is nothing to worry about.

Of course, when in your dreams the opponent is not allowed to sense, is not allowed to use clones, is not allowed to summon, isn't allowed to enter SM, Itachi is the first one to strike, put Minato inside a genjutsu without him realising, of course in this type of fanfiction everyone could write and make the one he supports the winner