The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

You keep linking a scan regarding optical nerves and chakra. Noone ever stated the genjutsu was ocular. And you've yet to counter it, you keep clinging to the sensing argument, which isn't happening. Minato has to focus to sense, I don't know how hard it is to understand. Both kyuubi and him literally were so engrossed in battle, that he didn't notice his own son's kyuubi changing placing

I already showed you 5counters for your genjutsu arguments

1- Sensors can predict it

2- Sensors can fight even under genjutsu(albeit harder)

3- Toad SM users sensing is no different than fighting with your eyes open

4- With toads as partners, every genjutsu besides tsukuyomi is useless

5- Genjutsu doesn't work on clones

On the contrary you presented none for mine

1- Minato could blitz Itachi anytime soon if he wanted to rely on the genjutsu strategy instead of protecting himself with Susanoo

2- Minato in SM can basically manhandle Itachi even with Susanoo

3- Minato can summon Pa and Ma. With their sound base jutsus and Minato's speed, there is a clear winner

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Itachi getting Blitzed? That's laughable. Itachi and Base Minato's Shunshin were of comparable speeds, Minato was just able to use his a longer distances.​

​

 

[EKSITE]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Nagato is a sensor.

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

You must be registered for see images

Itachi is a master when it comes to such maneuvers like feints, distractions etc. Funny that all fall for Uchiha Genjutsu despite they have the knowledge.

Damn he done dug his own grave with that lmao XD

 

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Itachi getting Blitzed? That's laughable. Itachi and Base Minato's Shunshin were of comparable speeds, Minato was just able to use his a longer distances.​

​

Itachi couldn't outspeed Sasuke despite not wanting him to follow him during his track of Kabuto. Minato left not only Hokages but Sasuke far behind when they wanted to reach the battlefield. They are not even close in shunshin. Thinking otherwise is laughable at best

 

[Strict]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Yet look at how Minato attacked Madara and Juubito. Where was his Shunshin blitz? Does being Juubi's Jin make the opponent (Minato) slower? Look at how Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto, which Shunshin was above Ay's at maximum speed. Your pictures hold no weight, I can give you as much examples of how sensors failed as you give scans with misinterpretations. Minato can be faster than Itachi, but not to a point he can't react with his own moves and the Sharingan.

 

[Mellanoma]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Itachi's Shuriken distractions are no problems at all. Minato can deploy a clone to back him up from a distance. Minato was able to deflect 20 Shuriken from 20 different directions with one toss of his own.

You must be registered for see images

OT:

going off manga feats and databook Itachi > Minato

going off personal opinions on what minato could do as oppose to what he has done: Minato > Itachi

 

[Owarij]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

I already showed you 5counters for your genjutsu arguments

1- Sensors can predict it

2- Sensors can fight even under genjutsu(albeit harder)

3- Toad SM users sensing is no different than fighting with your eyes open

4- With toads as partners, every genjutsu besides tsukuyomi is useless

5- Genjutsu doesn't work on clones

On the contrary you presented none for mine

1- Minato could blitz Itachi anytime soon if he wanted to rely on the genjutsu strategy instead of protecting himself with Susanoo

2- Minato in SM can basically manhandle Itachi even with Susanoo

3- Minato can summon Pa and Ma. With their sound base jutsus and Minato's speed, there is a clear winner

And I showed you a scan of a sensor saying its impossible for him to sense once he's under the genjutsu, did you ignore that? . If it's a genjtusu that's taking control of your entire body and faculties, how are you utilizing chakra to sense in the first place? You should note that there are different types of genjutsu.

Sensors can't predict it, esp considering this isn't an ocular genjutsu. There will be no build up to the eye. It would be indistinguishable from him casting an elemental jutsu or anything of the sort

Idk what you're even mentioning toad sm for. Minato isn't even getting into it before this fight ends. He's not going to stand in one place for a minute like he did against Madara unfortunately

Blitz Itachi, lol

Naruto's sage powered ooodoma rasengan, hyped to "hollow mountains" didn't even scratch madara's ribcage Susanno. What's Minato doing again? Let's not get ahead of ourselves

 

[Ababeel]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

It must be hard to be an itachi fan/retard. Lol
They will never acknowledge anything against him, he's more or less fodder at this point. U_U

 

[Mellanoma]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

It must be hard to be an itachi fan/retard. Lol
They will never acknowledge anything against him, he's more or less fodder at this point. U_U

the Ironic part about this post is that Itachi has proven himself against all his enemies and oppositions... Yet Minato has failed against everyone he has fought

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Itachi couldn't outspeed Sasuke despite not wanting him to follow him during his track of Kabuto. Minato left not only Hokages but Sasuke far behind when they wanted to reach the battlefield. They are not even close in shunshin. Thinking otherwise is laughable at best

That's not due to any lack of speed on Itachi's part. Sasuke has gotten incredibly fast, his Shunshin exceeding Naruto's max base speed. Which was on par with V1 A's Shunshin.

• Sasuke was able to
  You must be registered for see links
  (The previous page shows Minato about to use it). Despite Minato being closer to
  You must be registered for see links
  long
  You must be registered for see links
  .
  
• Was able to
  You must be registered for see links
  .
  
• Even though he wasn't able to react,
  You must be registered for see links
  .
  
• You must be registered for see links
  (Naruto had to activate his cloak and FRS takes longer to use than Enton, so technically Naruto was much faster here.) He also reached Sakura before Naruto in that scan with a Shunshin. Making his Shunshin faster than Naruto's non-Shunshin speed. (Effectively making his Shunshin faster than V1 A's)

A teenage Obito on the other hand was having no problems with Minato's Shunshin and Base speeds. He had to resort to advance Hiriashin tactics to hit him.

---

There's a very credible theory going around that some of Itachi's Yin Chakra got transferred to Sasuke. Making his Chakra control better and allowing for a better Shunshin and minimizing chakra usage. There's also natural progression.​

​

 

[Avinash012]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Yet look at how Minato attacked Madara and Juubito. Where was his Shunshin blitz? Does being Juubi's Jin make the opponent (Minato) slower? Look at how Itachi kept up with KCM Naruto, which Shunshin was above Ay's at maximum speed. Your pictures hold no weight, I can give you as much examples of how sensors failed as you give scans with misinterpretations. Minato can be faster than Itachi, but not to a point he can't react with his own moves and the Sharingan.

This argument makes no sense,are u expecting Minato to escape from Juubi's jinchuriki just because he is fast and is a sensor? How can u possibly compare Itachi reacting to KCM Naruto with Minato reacting to Uchiha Madara would literally trolled an FTG user when he is far weaker than his current self?

 

[Ababeel]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

the Ironic part about this post is that Itachi has proven himself against all his enemies and oppositions... Yet Minato has failed against everyone he has fought

Hahaha
Last I checked kabuto cut itachi in half. Lol
Not to mention kabuto is not even near to madaras level

Itachi also died against hebi Sasuke. Ran as a rat from jiraiya.
Lost to naruto and Kakashi in part 2.

He defeated nagato though with the help of naruto and B, not to mention nagatos fake rinnegan. Lol

 

[Bogard]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Idk what you're even mentioning toad sm for. Minato isn't even getting into it before this fight ends. He's not going to stand in one place for a minute like he did against Madara unfortunately

> Implying Minato would get caught in a genjutsu he can sense(as a sensor)
> Implying a sensor can't fight inside a genjutsu
> Implying Itachi is the one who would make the first move when Minato can easily use clones, summons, SM and so on

This is the basically what i was saying. Your only argument consist in Minato getting caught in a genjutsu start of battle when you know Minato has much more to offer. I guess it will never be settle, so i rest my case

 

[Mellanoma]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

> Implying Minato would get caught in a genjutsu he can sense(as a sensor)
> Implying a sensor can't fight inside a genjutsu
> Implying Itachi is the one who would make the first move when Minato can easily use clones, summons, SM and so on

This is the basically what i was saying. Your only argument consist in Minato getting caught in a genjutsu start of battle when you know Minato has much more to offer. I guess it will never be settle, so i rest my case

not sure why you keep fighting this Bogard...

You must be registered for see images

Manga facts show Itachi genjutsu can't be sensed...

Plenty of sensors have been trapped in Genjutsu through this series. Hell even other Sharingan users have been trapped in Genjutsu and it is the eye that see through Genjutsu. Just give it up already and accept the fact that Minato sensing won't help him in genjutsu at all as other Sensors have shown.

Genjutsu is hella broken

Hahaha
Last I checked kabuto cut itachi in half. Lol
Not to mention kabuto is not even near to madaras level

Itachi also died against hebi Sasuke. Ran as a rat from jiraiya.
Lost to naruto and Kakashi in part 2.

He defeated nagato though with the help of naruto and B, not to mention nagatos fake rinnegan. Lol

So what....

Lee kicked Madara in half Tsunade Punched Madara in Half Lee and Tsunade > Madara? lol
Hebi Sasuke beat Itachi who wanted him to win I agree
30% Itachi lost to Kakashi and Naruto I agree

 

[Bronze]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

-Sensing already proved to be useless against Itachi's Genjutsu [

You must be registered for see links

]. Itachi will not realize he is under Genjutsu.
-The eye method wont work as Minato is not Madara or Kabuto. Lets not give him feats. Not to mention Minato cant sense Chakra and fight at the same time, as Kurama proved. Itachi can still cast Genjutsu without direct eye contact.
-Kage Bunshin can be seen through Itachi's sen or Sharingan perception as he managed to detect the real Naruto, who created 1000 Bunshin.
-The toads can be manipulated by Itachi's Genjutsu and turning them against Minato.

Itachi > Minato.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

> Implying Minato would get caught in a genjutsu he can sense(as a sensor)
> Implying a sensor can't fight inside a genjutsu
> Implying Itachi is the one who would make the first move when Minato can easily use clones, summons, SM and so on

This is the basically what i was saying. Your only argument consist in Minato getting caught in a genjutsu start of battle when you know Minato has much more to offer. I guess it will never be settle, so i rest my case

C was caught in a Genjutsu and he's a sensor. Minato can't sense in the heat of battle anyway.

There's also different types of Genjutsu, Itachi's just needs to use a

You must be registered for see links

.​

​

 

[Owarij]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

> Implying Minato would get caught in a genjutsu he can sense(as a sensor)
> Implying a sensor can't fight inside a genjutsu
> Implying Itachi is the one who would make the first move when Minato can easily use clones, summons, SM and so on

This is the basically what i was saying. Your only argument consist in Minato getting caught in a genjutsu start of battle when you know Minato has much more to offer. I guess it will never be settle, so i rest my case

Of course i'm aware minato has much more to offer. Orochimaru had much more to offer as well. That's not the point. The fight wouldn't GET to that point.
- Itachi has a non ocular genjutsu that can affect you without you knowing
- Minato will not be able to tell he's in it before it's too late
- Itachi can cast this genjutsu faster than it takes Minato "summon ma and pa" and all the other things youve listed"

I'm not implying they can't . I'm telling you. If it's a genjutsu that completely takes control of your body and leaves you comatose.

You must be registered for see images

There is nothing you can do.
What they WOULD be able to sense is a genjutsu that just takes away certains things, such as a paralysis genjutsu, or a genjutsu like shee used against Sasuke and Juugo.

Realistically, based on what Itachi has displayed. The fight will end just as it did with Orochimaru and deidara, at the start, with genjutsu, before any fight can occur

Ofc, if the fight was written in the manga, It would not go like that, what so ever. That's where plot comes into play. But i'm not concerned with that atm

 

[Draegod]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

Of course i'm aware minato has much more to offer. Orochimaru had much more to offer as well. That's not the point. The fight wouldn't GET to that point.
- Itachi has a non ocular genjutsu that can affect you without you knowing
- Minato will not be able to tell he's in it before it's too late
- Itachi can cast this genjutsu faster than it takes Minato "summon ma and pa" and all the other things youve listed"

I'm not implying they can't . I'm telling you. If it's a genjutsu that completely takes control of your body and leaves you comatose.

You must be registered for see images

There is nothing you can do.
What they WOULD be able to sense is a genjutsu that just takes away certains things, such as a paralysis genjutsu, or a genjutsu like shee used against Sasuke and Juugo.

Realistically, based on what Itachi has displayed. The fight will end just as it did with Orochimaru and deidara, at the start, with genjutsu, before any fight can occur

Ofc, if the fight was written in the manga, It would not go like that, what so ever. That's where plot comes into play. But i'm not concerned with that atm

Oru never fought serious with Itachi, he simply wanted his body. That is a bad example. It was a small skirmish and nothing more.

 

[Strict]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

How can Minato sense Genjutsu..? You can't always tell whether it's an illusion and not, and if you can't realize it by yourself, you have no reason to try sensing it. If he realizes that he was caught in a Genjutsu, he still needs to break it. Jiraiya told that you need to disturb the Chakra flow in your brain with a stronger force than the Genjutsu has. Sasuke's 3T Genjutsu paralyzes people and let let them collapse, just sayin.

 

[Bronze]

Re: Thee Itachi vs Minato Thread

And lol, if people think Minato is speedblitzing Itachi. Killer Bee reacted to FTG. The same Killer Bee who couldn't react to Itachi's Shunshin.