The hype and feats of Minato and Hiruzen

[USSJ Future Trunks]

i think people misunderstand iruka's statements and a few others.
firstly
naruto/chapter-94
hiruzen scolds iruka for using past tense. meaning hes no longer strongest. of the shinobi who are famous and powerful at the same time, id say this means hiruzen considers himself surpassed by minato, further evidenced here
/naruto/chapter-94
anko wishes the 4th was still alive since he'd own oro in a flash. me, an oro fanboy, is admitting that much.
naruto/chapter-117
here hiruzen fears fighting minato so badly that he tries to stop him being summoned. but its proof hashirama has long been surpassed because hiruzen blew his leg off without too much trouble despite hashirama being a mindless killing machine. if it had been a real battle, no doubt hashi would be reluctant to battle against his own student.

as for hiruzen being miserable compared to his prime, i dont think that was ever said. pathetic? yes.
naruto/chapter-120
but only because he couldnt kill oro before.

raikage in the VIZ translation called minato finest shinobi ever and fastest shinobi in the world. mangareader says naruto/541/8
there was never a man that surpassed him. that would include sarutobi then. but theres no doubt sarutobis second best.

jiraiya says everyone paled in comparison with minato.

Aw come on, everybody pales in comparison to the fourth lord. As a shinobi his capacity was unparalleled, a true one-of-a kind

that would include himself, Orochimaru, hanzo and itachi who jiraiya also knew about.

now some of you are saying "well raikage didnt see hashirama fight". tobi did. and he still said minato was worthy of his hype. jiraiya saw the third in his prime yet he said 4th was unparalleled, suggesting jiraiya himself wouldnt want to fight against minato.

and unlike hashirama and hanzo, minato proved his hype.
he beat someone who could do naruto-chapter-501-page-8
as seen here.naruto/chapter-502.-page-6.html
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/naruto/542/12 (the flee on sight order)
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chapter-503 (hiruzen's wondering where minato is, implying he needs his help)
naruto/chapter-503. (teleports a huge beast like kyuubi away)
naruto-chapter-503-page-17 (is able to seal others chakra as well as an entire tailed beast inside a baby)
naruto-chapter-504-page-5. makes a barrier that neither sarutobi nor kyuubi could penetrate.

one thing i found interesting was he said it wasnt possible to seal all of kyuubi chakra. yet mito uzumaki did it. what does that say about her powers?

of all the people we see fight on panel and get extraordinary hype, minatos unmatched. but granted, not alot of these people talking about him knew about the likes of nagato, tobi and danzos powers since they were secretive.
and theres some hype thats just not believable like fukasaku saying sm naruto had surpassed minato. wut? no he hasn't you dumbass frog.

many get called invincible (tobi, itachi, pain) but imo minato beats them all in raw power and intellect.

 

[Zoro..]

I agree with 99% of it
rep+

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I think that Hiruzen in his prime was one of the most powerful shinobi, however when he was old he wasnt that powerful.

 

[Baldy]

Nope. I stand by the fact that I think that Hiruzen is stronger than Minato. Minato is overhyped while Hiruzen is underestimated severely in NB.

 

[Blaze Release]

You made a mistake using links from manga reader. Their translation is piss poor.
Second you basically compared him to old sarutobi U_U

 

[Yanto]

I agree +rep

 

[Dr Strangelove]

Also the barrier was made by Kushina.

 

[Kianto]

Nope. I stand by the fact that I think that Hiruzen is stronger than Minato. Minato is overhyped while Hiruzen is underestimated severely in NB.

agree^^

Many in NB overrates Minato so hard

 

[The Eye]

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i agree but it was said he wasnt as good as his prime

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

however when he was old he wasnt that powerful.

no he was. he pushed kyuubi out of the village, and took out hashirama and tobirama at the same time. tobirama may have been nerfed a bit but hashi was at full power.

You made a mistake using links from manga reader. Their translation is piss poor

from what i see, their translations are virtually identical to official VIZ ones, and plus i just used the scans for the battle feats.

Nope. I stand by the fact that I think that Hiruzen is stronger than Minato

even though hiruzen himself doesnt?

Second you basically compared him to old sarutobi

what else can i do? even the hype contradicts prime sarutobi still being the strongest since iruka used past tense.

 

[The Eye]

You made a mistake using links from manga reader. Their translation is piss poor.
Second you basically compared him to old sarutobi U_U

well there is no prime 3rd hokage feat when he was young.

 

[Punk Hazard]

in his prime, i think hiruzen was the strongest, even oro said if he was just ten years younger, hiruzen would have beaten him

 

[The Eye]

and the reason minato couldnt seal all of kurama chakra into naruto was because into an infact its almost certain death

 

[masterylucain]

You do realize the third, when he died to oro, was about 98 years old. You expect the great and might Flash Minato, in his thirties when he was hokage, to lose against a 98 year old has been? I still say teh 3rd is teh strongest, because its what Kishi said. And dude it was a joke where Iruka used past tense. Alot of people still make the mistake today. it was a joke man. And Anko wanted teh 4th to be there because he would prolly still be in his thirties, almost forty, and battle oro. What do you expect? The 4th is strong, but he wouldve been stronger if he had not left so early.

 

[Blaze Release]

well there is no prime 3rd hokage feat when he was young.

Exactly. Therefore whats the points comparing him to old sarutobi

 

[Lysander]

agree

 

[Kianto]

and the reason minato couldnt seal all of kurama chakra into naruto was because into an infact its almost certain death

jusus minato fanboy , it was Half of his chakra, he sealed the other half within himself

 

[masterylucain]

no he was. he pushed kyuubi out of the village, and took out hashirama and tobirama at the same time. tobirama may have been nerfed a bit but hashi was at full power.

from what i see, their translations are virtually identical to official VIZ ones, and plus i just used the scans for the battle feats.

even though hiruzen himself doesnt?

what else can i do? even the hype contradicts prime sarutobi still being the strongest since iruka used past tense.

"no he was. he pushed kyuubi out of the village, and took out hashirama and tobirama at the same time. tobirama may have been nerfed a bit but hashi was at full power." is what you said. this old bag pushed the kyuubi out of teh villiage, took out hashirama and tobirama at the same time. Do you really think thats his limit? He did that when he was old. If he did that when hes like 98, how strong is he truly in his prime? Think about that. How do you compare a legend in his thirties to a has been strongest kage?

 

[aniwth0z]

agree man

 

[The Eye]

jusus minato fanboy , it was Half of his chakra, he sealed the other half within himself

yea he sealed half of the kyuubi into naruto and the other half into himself? yea? your point if he sent the full thing into a infant he would have died.