The Hooded Mystery

[iSpyder]

Most of these threads I'm seeing about Shisui being the hooded man because of his nose is the most ridiculous reason I've ever seen.. I mean really???

Though I don't doubt him being Shisui for many reasons:

First off let me start off by saying, the hooded man is not an Edo Tensei or any form of reanimation. I see people state this because of his red eye and such. However, I recall one person (who first showed their sharingan) also had this unusual feature...

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So i believe any thread about him being a reanimation is bogus.

Ok onto the next one...

1. My first reason as to why I believe the Hooded man to be Shisui...

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Here, Shisui says himself that he is entrusting Itachi to protect both the Clan and the Uchiha Name.

"But what does he mean by protecting the Uchiha Name?" - He is asking Itachi himself to stop the Uchiha from spoiling their clan name as they were already seen as a narrow minded clan, though he did not want them to further spoil their clan name by being seen as traitorous killers.

By the hooded man claiming Sasuke to be a disgrace to the clan, he is calling him this due to the the fact that Sasuke has done many negative deeds within the world, causing the Uchiha name to be further soiled. But this doesn't seem like a good reason to kill Sasuke..

2. Both Shin and The hooded an claim Itachis death is unforgivable... Why?

We'll as we know, the death of someone close to an Uchiha causes them to no longer see forgiveness as acceptable and would go down many dark paths before actually seeing the light. This has been seen with:
- Madara (Twice)
- Obito
- Sasuke

All of who had someone close to them pass away. Other than Sasuke, who else was close to Itachi and would mourn his death the hardest?

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We'll Itachi and Shisui were best friends, despite what it says there. With the death of Itachi, the only last decent Uchiha left, this would have most likely caused Shisui to take matters into his own hand by avenging his best friend.

"Lol but how can Shisui be alive when we saw him die, key"

3. The Hooded Mans eye....

Now we saw what looked like to be stitches around the Hooded Mans eye, as if it were keeping his eye open.. Almost as if he were forcing it to stay open even. Now... Why would one want to keep their eye from closing? Better yet, what exactly is causing their eye to close?

The answer...

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It says there itself that once this technique is used, it causes their eyes to lose light and never open again. Now this brings me back to the redness of the eye. Maybe due to the fact that the eye has been open for so long has caused the eye to become damaged and red because of its extended exposure without blinking.

"LOL okay this makes sense but.. How can Shisui use izanagi with no eye kek"
I can't explain this, though the same reason Madara was able to use Susanoo without his Sharingan may be the same reason as to why Shisui was able to use Izanagi without eyes. Maybe using this power caused his eye to look deformed, if not because of the longed exposure without blinking.

4. Shisui disappearance

Now people wonder why Shisui would remain hidden for so long, watching the world turn to shit while he remains in the shadows, but again I recall something saiid by Itachi

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It says that a nameless Shinobi who protects peace from within the shadows is a true Shinobi, something that Shisui himself has taught Itachi along with many other things. Self Sacrafice.....

"Self Sacrafice"...
Didn't Shisui kill himself in order to awaken Itachis hidden power? By him doing so, he would be protecting peace from within the shadows without actually doing anything. By passing on his ideals, teachings and awakening his best friends power, the very power which allowed Itachi to become what he is today, Shisui would be protecting both his friend, the clan and his village.

To sum it up because I'm writing on the iPad as this would take long...
I believe Shisui is the hooded man, I believe he erased his existence in order to push Itachi as he couldn't do it himself as he already had the clans trust, though unlike Shisui, the Uchiha clan found Itachi guilty and what not.

I also believe Shisui was actually the masked man that controlled Yagura, from within the shadows as only his eye allowed him to do such things without one noticing, Mei Once stated before in the manga.

Shisuis erased his existence plus his body was not found by Kabuto, further insisting that he is alive and well. maybe Shisui even manipulated Itachi and many others without him realizing.

Also taken from Naruto wiki, "Shisui also greatly valued the notion of "family" as seen when he swore to never let the clan's issues to destroy the relationship between Itachi and Sasuke". Big hint there

Please see where I'm coming from with this, hopefully someone with more time and patience can make a thread using this information.

 

[BlueMeteor]

Oh shiz I like the 3rd point that's creative thinkin. It's defintly a good thing that his body was never found and this probably points to him still being alive. They never fully detailed his death.

 

[sage1999]

the third point is a hack ngl...

 

[Deadmed]

Saying Shisui could use Izanagi without an eye because Madara had his Susanoo with no eyes is too much of a stretch. Susanoo is an ability that doesn't even derive directly from the eyes while Izanagi requires them to close and be sacrificed. Unless Shisui survived the fall somehow and his body was salvaged and he was restored to health somehow.

 

[iSpyder]

Maybe he is alive?
Maybe he retrieved his eye from Danzo before he was able to crush it, since he was very skilled with the Shunshin technique, he could've been fast enough to get his eye back and mask his presence.

I mean, it was even stated by Itachi himself that he made it look like he crushed his own eyes. What if he did the same with Danzo? What if he got another Sharingan and made it seem like Danzo crushed it, and retrieved his eye back? It would explain why only his right eye is shown and also the redness of the eye.

Kishi doesn't exactly say or do things without a reason. Chekhovs gun bro...

 

[iSpyder]

Saying Shisui could use Izanagi without an eye because Madara had his Susanoo with no eyes is too much of a stretch. Susanoo is an ability that doesn't even derive directly from the eyes while Izanagi requires them to close and be sacrificed. Unless Shisui survived the fall somehow and his body was salvaged and he was restored to health somehow.

Maybe it is a bit of a stretch, but then again if someone was to state that the use of Susanoo without eyes was possible, before it's debut in the manga, people would claim its bogus.

Also, like I said.. Maybe he didn't exactly die since his death wasn't shown. Maybe he made it look that way the same way he forged his suicide note, the same way he made it look like he crushed his eye...

Think about it.

 

[Angelic.]

izanagi makes the eye loseits pupil thing. its just damaged from being raped by danzo.

maybe shisui is mad sasuke threatened to destroy konoha and cant let it go lol.

 

[Deadmed]

Maybe it is a bit of a stretch, but then again if someone was to state that the use of Susanoo without eyes was possible, before it's debut in the manga, people would claim its bogus.

Also, like I said.. Maybe he didn't exactly die since his death wasn't shown. Maybe he made it look that way the same way he forged his suicide note, the same way he made it look like he crushed his eye...

Think about it.

I could believe that he survived his fall and escaped. But then, why would Shisui turn evil? Did he also love Rin?

 

[The Lost Uchiha]

I like this explanation.. I also thought it was Shisui because as he feel from the waterfall it did not express what happened, similar to how Obito feel after saving Kakashi from the falling rock as they were kids... And it showed early in the show how "Tobi" stated that he "Liked to stockpile good eyes".. so i think similar to how Danzo eyes were red from transplanting the eyes, the new hooded guys are red from Shisui transplanting them... My only question now is where did this Shin Uchiha come from?! and Which manga chapter did you get that clip at the bottom of your post about the power at their hideout?

 

[wanderingcactus]

Good theory but a bit farfetched.

His eyes was crushed by Danzo. using izanagi/izunami(strongest jutsu) requires someone to sacrifice their eyes. Its not just you cant open the eye lids... -_-

cuz then using the amaterasu would mean that you dont need a transplant you just have to open your eye lids again.

Also how would he be able to use any sharingan abilities when he has neither of his eyes?

I do agree about him being alive though and him being the hooded man. But my take on it is that its either someone else's eyes (possibly Obito's or someone from Oro or Danzo's experiments) or that its his own destroyed eyes scavenged by Obito and probably brought back to life by using the chakra rods which Pein used to bring back his dead friend.

 

[iSpyder]

I could believe that he survived his fall and escaped. But then, why would Shisui turn evil? Did he also love Rin?

Maybe he's not exactly evil. If you go back and read what I said, you'd see that I've said he isn't looking to actively destroy anyone other than Sasuke due to the fact that he soiled the Uchiha name by causing destruction around the world, something Shisui wanted to Itachi to prevent from happening, Soiling the Uchiha name. But because Sasuke killed Shisuis best friend and caused trouble in the name of the Uchiha, this caused Shisui to see Sasukes corrupted ways as "unforgivable"

 

[iSpyder]

Good theory but a bit farfetched.

His eyes was crushed by Danzo. using izanagi/izunami(strongest jutsu) requires someone to sacrifice their eyes. Its not just you cant open the eye lids... -_-

cuz then using the amaterasu would mean that you dont need a transplant you just have to open your eye lids again.

Also how would he be able to use any sharingan abilities when he has neither of his eyes?

I do agree about him being alive though and him being the hooded man. But my take on it is that its either someone else's eyes (possibly Obito's or someone from Oro or Danzo's experiments) or that its his own destroyed eyes scavenged by Obito and probably brought back to life by using the chakra rods which Pein used to bring back his dead friend.

This could explain him retrieving one of his eyes back...

Maybe he is alive?
Maybe he retrieved his eye from Danzo before he was able to crush it, since he was very skilled with the Shunshin technique, he could've been fast enough to get his eye back and mask his presence.

I mean, it was even stated by Itachi himself that he made it look like he crushed his own eyes. What if he did the same with Danzo? What if he got another Sharingan and made it seem like Danzo crushed it, and retrieved his eye back? It would explain why only his right eye is shown and also the redness of the eye.

Kishi doesn't exactly say or do things without a reason. Chekhovs gun bro...

 

[Deadmed]

Maybe he's not exactly evil. If you go back and read what I said, you'd see that I've said he isn't looking to actively destroy anyone other than Sasuke due to the fact that he soiled the Uchiha name by causing destruction around the world, something Shisui wanted to Itachi to prevent from happening, Soiling the Uchiha name. But because Sasuke killed Shisuis best friend and caused trouble in the name of the Uchiha, this caused Shisui to see Sasukes corrupted ways as "unforgivable"

Sasuke helped save the world though, and no good guy would team up with the Juubi.

 

[iSpyder]

Sasuke helped save the world though, and no good guy would team up with the Juubi.

So did Orochimaru, but that didnt stop Kakashi and Naruto from suspecting him as someone who created Shin. Like I said, Shisui isn't exactly evil. No one in Naruto is exactly evil. They all have their motives for a reason. Only people who were truly evil was Orochimaru and Hidan.

Also anyone would do anything to avenge the death of a loved one or to save loved ones n such
- Madara abandoning his clan to avenge his brother
- Sasuke abandoning his village and joining Orochimaru to kill Itachi
- Itachi killing his clan to protect the village (he wasn't exactly evil either, plus he saved the village..)
- Obito abandoning everyone just to "bring rin back to life"

Edit: who's to say Shisui wouldn't take a portion of the Juubis power to kill Sasuke, knowing about the power ups he gained over the year?

 

[Deadmed]

So did Orochimaru, but that didnt stop Kakashi and Naruto from suspecting him as someone who created Shin. Like I said, Shisui isn't exactly evil. No one in Naruto is exactly evil. They all have their motives for a reason. Only people who were truly evil was Orochimaru and Hidan.

Also anyone would do anything to avenge the death of a loved one or to save loved ones n such
- Madara abandoning his clan to avenge his brother
- Sasuke abandoning his village and joining Orochimaru to kill Itachi
- Itachi killing his clan to protect the village (he wasn't exactly evil either, plus he saved the village..)
- Obito abandoning everyone just to "bring rin back to life"

Edit: who's to say Shisui wouldn't take a portion of the Juubis power to kill Sasuke, knowing about the power ups he gained over the year?

Obito wanted to save the world because he thought it was Hell, if he wanted to bring Rin back to life he'd use edo tensei then make Nagato or someone use Rinne Tensei.

 

[iSpyder]

Obito wanted to save the world because he thought it was Hell, if he wanted to bring Rin back to life he'd use edo tensei then make Nagato or someone use Rinne Tensei.

He didn't want to save the world, he just wanted to create the perfect dream world for him, but how can he do that if there would be people to stop him? Also he couldn't use rinne Tensei as there was a limit to how far back they can revive someone. As of Nagato would risk his life to bring back a girl.... Lern2manga

And when I say bring her back to life, I mean I'm HIS infinite tsukuyomi world.

 

[Deadmed]

He didn't want to save the world, he just wanted to create the perfect dream world for him, but how can he do that if there would be people to stop him? Also he couldn't use rinne Tensei as there was a limit to how far back they can revive someone. As of Nagato would risk his life to bring back a girl.... Lern2manga

And when I say bring her back to life, I mean I'm HIS infinite tsukuyomi world.

dude he just wanted a perfect world, Rin's death made him realize that he hated the world for taking his beloved Rin away. After that, as he says to Kakashi, he further confirmed to himself that the world was Hell and there was no hope (probably from seeing Nagato's plight and such). He also tells Kakashi that if he thinks the war was about Rin he couldn't be further from the truth. learn2manga

 

[iSpyder]

dude he just wanted a perfect world, Rin's death made him realize that he hated the world for taking his beloved Rin away. After that, as he says to Kakashi, he further confirmed to himself that the world was Hell and there was no hope (probably from seeing Nagato's plight and such). He also tells Kakashi that if he thinks the war was about Rin he couldn't be further from the truth. learn2manga

Yes exactly, and he did ANYTHING POSSIBLE to achieve his goal. It didn't exactly make him a bad guy since he was going to make a dream world for EVERYONE, but his motives wasn't exactly good either. The same thing applies to Shisui, him wanting to kill Sasuke for soiling the Uchiha name for wanting to destroy konoha, almost endangering the world and what not doesn't make him a bad guy, but his ways of going about it isn't exactly good.

See where I'm coming from instead of being ignorant and shallow.

 

[Meowazziel]

First of all good theory.
Lots of good points.

The only thing I had troubles with was the Izanagi without eyes.

Eyes seem to be an essential part of Izanagi.
Unlike Susanoo, which unlocks the power once you have unlocked the double mangekyou.

You say using this power caused his eye to look deformed, but how could his eye look deformed if he used Izanagi without eyes?

 

[iSpyder]

First of all good theory.
Lots of good points.

The only thing I had troubles with was the Izanagi without eyes.
Eyes seem to be an essential part of Izanagi.
Unlike Susanoo, which unlocks the power once you have unlocked the double mangekyou.

Good brainstorm material this part.

Yeah the Izanagi without eyes part may be a bit too much, but Izanagi itself must have something to do with the eyes being stitched open as if it were stopping it from closing or so.