The Hokages vs The Jinchuriki

[Reborn]

if naruto was on neither side then the kages would win becuase mainly of the mokutun which could supress the most of the biju's power. Then you have minato and his speed would be a great advantage against most or all of the jinchurkis and not to mention if the 2nd is allowed to use edo tensei i think it would be the deciding factor, the 3rd is also extremely strong if he is in his prime and tsunade could just focus on healing them. if it weren't for naruto i think the kages could win but it would still be a tough fight.

Wood release was able to supress the Bijuu individually (Not within a human host). I don't believe control of the Bijuu can be stripped form the Jinchuuriki (if it could Madara could've simply used his abilities to take control of the Kyuubi while inside of Kushina without the need for having it released). Minato's speed is strong and I'll give you that one. Check my sig. I'm the last person to point out flaws about my boy Nidaime but his version of Edo Tensai was said to be incomplete (or not at the level of either Oro or Kabuto and Orochimaru's was fairly basic so idk the level he could use that jutsu), plus who would he summon that would make a difference (I'm not saying there weren't powerful shinobi besides him but we don't really know much about other powerful shinobi during/before his time that were strong or have any details on them). Hiruzen was strong yes but we can't say for sure just how strong the other Jinchuuriki were (they were taken down by S-class shinobi, who were near or equal to strength of kage and yet they even admitted difficulty in dealing with the Jinchuuriki). Tsunade would heal them but remember since the battle is in the favor of the Jinchuuriki in numbers, all of the Kage will be fighting on unequal terms (2:1 almost). What I'm saying is only a fool (just saying that as a general statement) would say that the Jinchuuriki weren't powerful shinobi with and without their Bijuu, not to mention two of them are Kage (Yagura and Gaara) who are basically on equal terms if out compare only their title as kage. For the fact that the five Kage are outnumbered, even with their amazing skills, they're outnumbered against shinobi who have demonic chakra coursing through their bodies that give them advantages over most other shinobi. Also with the Tailed Beast Bomb of at least KB, and the chances of the Jinchuuriki going bezurk (spelling) when they're in serious danger or have been provoked only adds to the disadvantage of the Kage. The speed and power Naruto demonstrated in his 4 and 6 tails state shows the capibilities of a shinobi with a Bijuu of 6 tails and above, not to mention Yagura-sama had full control of his Bijuu as well as Bee meaning he could even match up to par with Bee (unless the power of the Bijuu is demonstrated by the number of tails but I'm not sure). I think rationally speaking that the 5 hokage are at a serious disadvantage against 8 shinobi with demonic power, above average abilities as shinobi (not neccisarily Kage except for two), two of which control their Bijuu perfectly, two being Kage, and the risks of the Bijuu going bezurk within their Jinchuuriki and taking over (which then I beilve wood release would work however the necklace that Naruto had around his neck was the source of Yamato's control over him with Wood release so I'm not sure exactally how that works).

isn't it the 5 hokages

Oh and I meant 5 my bad.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

Kages for me

 

[Reborn]

@ Arv993

Better sig my man I like that a lot.

 

[arv993]

@ Arv993

Better sig my man I like that a lot.

thanks

 

[arv993]

Wood release was able to supress the Bijuu individually (Not within a human host). I don't believe control of the Bijuu can be stripped form the Jinchuuriki (if it could Madara could've simply used his abilities to take control of the Kyuubi while inside of Kushina without the need for having it released). Minato's speed is strong and I'll give you that one. Check my sig. I'm the last person to point out flaws about my boy Nidaime but his version of Edo Tensai was said to be incomplete (or not at the level of either Oro or Kabuto and Orochimaru's was fairly basic so idk the level he could use that jutsu), plus who would he summon that would make a difference (I'm not saying there weren't powerful shinobi besides him but we don't really know much about other powerful shinobi during/before his time that were strong or have any details on them). Hiruzen was strong yes but we can't say for sure just how strong the other Jinchuuriki were (they were taken down by S-class shinobi, who were near or equal to strength of kage and yet they even admitted difficulty in dealing with the Jinchuuriki). Tsunade would heal them but remember since the battle is in the favor of the Jinchuuriki in numbers, all of the Kage will be fighting on unequal terms (2:1 almost). What I'm saying is only a fool (just saying that as a general statement) would say that the Jinchuuriki weren't powerful shinobi with and without their Bijuu, not to mention two of them are Kage (Yagura and Gaara) who are basically on equal terms if out compare only their title as kage. For the fact that the five Kage are outnumbered, even with their amazing skills, they're outnumbered against shinobi who have demonic chakra coursing through their bodies that give them advantages over most other shinobi. Also with the Tailed Beast Bomb of at least KB, and the chances of the Jinchuuriki going bezurk (spelling) when they're in serious danger or have been provoked only adds to the disadvantage of the Kage. The speed and power Naruto demonstrated in his 4 and 6 tails state shows the capibilities of a shinobi with a Bijuu of 6 tails and above, not to mention Yagura-sama had full control of his Bijuu as well as Bee meaning he could even match up to par with Bee (unless the power of the Bijuu is demonstrated by the number of tails but I'm not sure). I think rationally speaking that the 5 hokage are at a serious disadvantage against 8 shinobi with demonic power, above average abilities as shinobi (not neccisarily Kage except for two), two of which control their Bijuu perfectly, two being Kage, and the risks of the Bijuu going bezurk within their Jinchuuriki and taking over (which then I beilve wood release would work however the necklace that Naruto had around his neck was the source of Yamato's control over him with Wood release so I'm not sure exactally how that works).


Oh and I meant 5 my bad.

i agree that they are above average ninja but the thing is tailed beast bomb would not work against the kages because both minato and tobirama have space time techs that can move away large attacks as shown during the 9 tails fox's attack on the leaf. yes i know that tobirama's edo tensei is not as good as oro and kabuto but it can still call atleat 3-4 powerful ninja (i assume most likely) and the fact is that the other jinchurkis other than bee, gaara(not fully control) and yagura are not fully control of their beast and are probably not at the kage lvl. I think that the kage constrict them with either mokuton or water barrier considering that tobirama is the best water user ever and kill them off. If it is hiruzen in prime you cannot underestimate cause he is the god of shinobi and knows almost all of the techs in konoha so he is also great asset. the main challenge would be bee and gaara and if naruto is included then is the time i think that the kages won't win. but overall i think it is a difficult fight anfd the kages would pull through with the help of edo tensei and tsunade's healing. Btw the 1st can resist the beast and probably take control of it because that it what he probably did against madara. He is also as danzo mentioned one of the few ppl who can control a beast.

 

[Reborn]

thanks

Only one flaw, Tsunade's picture is blocking the most important part of her body IF you get where I'm talking about...lol

 

[arv993]

Only one flaw, Tsunade's picture is blocking the most important part of her body IF you get where I'm talking about...lol

haha lol you can't get everything in life man

 

[naruto kyuubi]

once the jinchurikis have succumbed to the rage or brought the power of their tailed beasts out they would crush the hokages the wood element can control say one beast while the others will tear it apart sarutobi is no match for kyubi as shown in the manga.more over the akatsuki took them out true but if u try to think gaara was captured trying to protect his village and without using shukaku's chakra bee couldnt be captured against kisame he was afraid to use hachibi so that doesnt count,then we have misukage with complete control over his beast,taking him out was possible thanks sharingan,yugato was captured by two immortals ukitake by pain the power of rinnengan who is unbeatable without his secret being known.that makes pretty clear that the jinchurikis will win,also the locket was required to supress kyuubi's chakra which acnnot supress the beast itself rather its will enough for the person to take over,

 

[Reborn]

i agree that they are above average ninja but the thing is tailed beast bomb would not work against the kages because both minato and tobirama have space time techs that can move away large attacks as shown during the 9 tails fox's attack on the leaf. yes i know that tobirama's edo tensei is not as good as oro and kabuto but it can still call atleat 3-4 powerful ninja (i assume most likely) and the fact is that the other jinchurkis other than bee, gaara(not fully control) and yagura are not fully control of their beast and are probably not at the kage lvl. I think that the kage constrict them with either mokuton or water barrier considering that tobirama is the best water user ever and kill them off. If it is hiruzen in prime you cannot underestimate cause he is the god of shinobi and knows almost all of the techs in konoha so he is also great asset. the main challenge would be bee and gaara and if naruto is included then is the time i think that the kages won't win. but overall i think it is a difficult fight anfd the kages would pull through with the help of edo tensei and tsunade's healing. Btw the 1st can resist the beast and probably take control of it because that it what he probably did against madara. He is also as danzo mentioned one of the few ppl who can control a beast.

It's hella late right now (almost 3am here) so I can't stay on any longer I'm must going to focus on the bolded part. Yagura the sanbi Jincuuriki was said to possess full control of his Bijuu and was infact Yondaime Mizukage (he was the one being controled by Madara), and I'm not underestimating Hiruzen I'm only suggesting that even Hiruzen would have trouble against above average (lets say advanced jounin level) shinobi, who also possess demonic powers that exceed human capibilities. Each Kage has their sig: Hashirama=badass Senju able to take control of multiple Bijuu, Tobirama=space time shinobi, perhaps greatest/strongest water jutsu master, Hiruzen=professor master of all Konoha jutsu, Minato=Jesus I mean Fast as hell master sealer, genius, and Tsunade=Greatest Medic to ever exist. I'm trying to imply more of an advantage towards the Jinchuuriki rather then straight out winning. I know the kage are completly capable of winning but I'm saying it's stacked more towards the Jinchuuriki winning due to superior numbers, having two kage amoungst the ranks and other high level shinobi, who have moderate control of their Bijuu and a few actually do have control over them (Bee and Yagura). However I could see a scinerio where Minato's abilities in Fuinjutsu could weaken the seals placed on the other Bijuu to the point where they break, Hashirama could take control of them possibly, Tobirama's powerful water jutsu (possibly his S-T jutsu) and his Edo Tensai back up could provide powerful cover for the rest of his team, as well as Hiruzen, and given any unforseen injuries, Tsunade could use her slug (forgot her name) to latch on and feed chakra to them and heal them. I'm just trying to say, the Kage are going to have a very very difficult time with Jinchuurik.

haha lol you can't get everything in life man

:T_T: Damn, where's the god of *** when you need him? If I could find him I'd turn my alligence to him instead of the stupid Death God, do you know how depressing it is hear people scream in his stomach...wait don't tell him I said that I love the Shinigami lol

I got to get some sleep I'll speak finish this argument with you later just reply to this one now maybe and I'll get back tomorrow peace

 

[arv993]

It's hella late right now (almost 3am here) so I can't stay on any longer I'm must going to focus on the bolded part. Yagura the sanbi Jincuuriki was said to possess full control of his Bijuu and was infact Yondaime Mizukage (he was the one being controled by Madara), and I'm not underestimating Hiruzen I'm only suggesting that even Hiruzen would have trouble against above average (lets say advanced jounin level) shinobi, who also possess demonic powers that exceed human capibilities. Each Kage has their sig: Hashirama=badass Senju able to take control of multiple Bijuu, Tobirama=space time shinobi, perhaps greatest/strongest water jutsu master, Hiruzen=professor master of all Konoha jutsu, Minato=Jesus I mean Fast as hell master sealer, genius, and Tsunade=Greatest Medic to ever exist. I'm trying to imply more of an advantage towards the Jinchuuriki rather then straight out winning. I know the kage are completly capable of winning but I'm saying it's stacked more towards the Jinchuuriki winning due to superior numbers, having two kage amoungst the ranks and other high level shinobi, who have moderate control of their Bijuu and a few actually do have control over them (Bee and Yagura). However I could see a scinerio where Minato's abilities in Fuinjutsu could weaken the seals placed on the other Bijuu to the point where they break, Hashirama could take control of them possibly, Tobirama's powerful water jutsu (possibly his S-T jutsu) and his Edo Tensai back up could provide powerful cover for the rest of his team, as well as Hiruzen, and given any unforseen injuries, Tsunade could use her slug (forgot her name) to latch on and feed chakra to them and heal them. I'm just trying to say, the Kage are going to have a very very difficult time with Jinchuurik.


:T_T: Damn, where's the god of *** when you need him? If I could find him I'd turn my alligence to him instead of the stupid Death God, do you know how depressing it is hear people scream in his stomach...wait don't tell him I said that I love the Shinigami lol

I got to get some sleep I'll speak finish this argument with you later just reply to this one now maybe and I'll get back tomorrow peace

yea i mde a mistake the 4th mizukage has full control of his biju, but i think that you know how bee was captured in a water prison, i think the 2nd can make it even better and kill 1 or 2 of the weaker ones off. And i also think that the 2nd can use edo tensei to bring 2-3 shinobi even kage lvl to even out the numbers which would give them a great advantage because it is all kage lvl vs high jonin lvl except 4 yagura, bee and gaara. I think t is a tough match but kages would prevail at the end. And lol about the god of ***.

 

[Reborn]

yea i mde a mistake the 4th mizukage has full control of his biju, but i think that you know how bee was captured in a water prison, i think the 2nd can make it even better and kill 1 or 2 of the weaker ones off. And i also think that the 2nd can use edo tensei to bring 2-3 shinobi even kage lvl to even out the numbers which would give them a great advantage because it is all kage lvl vs high jonin lvl except 4 yagura, bee and gaara. I think t is a tough match but kages would prevail at the end. And lol about the god of ***.

I don't know if I said it in my first post but I didn't completly underestimate the power of the Kage. I had faith that they could pull it off however you can see where I'm coming from with the disadvantage they have against the Jinchuuriki. However what you say is true. However with the Edo Tensai thing, we have to take into affect the time period. Like I was assuming that they were fighting back in the time when Nidaime Hokage was in power (which wouldn't make sense because the only Kage that would be alive would be Hiruzen and Hashirama, and Tsunade would be a little kid during their regime), but the hypothetical is more modern so the shinobi that have died all in the past could have been fair game for the jutsu. I can see Nidaime and Hiruzen as the powerhouses of the Hokage (Hiruzen's mastery of jutsu and Nidaime's powerful water jutsu), and Minato could would be the speed, Hashirama the master (In everything basically), and Tsunade would be the designated healer. The jutsu of the Jinchuuriki however have all seemed (from the one's we've seen anyway) linked to their Bijuu's characteristics (Roshi had Lava release from the brief encounter we've seen him in, Gaara and his sand) I'm not so sure with Utakata, Yugito Nii, Yagura, Han, or Fuu (due to the fact that we haven't seen or have seen little of them except for Utakata). Each Beast seems to have a unique trait about them with the exception of the Hachibi and Kyuubi as they're specific traits are just the fact that they're the two most powerful of the Bijuu. Mainly what I'm saying now is that Kage's are at the disadvantage, however they do have a chance (if they couldn't hold their own against strong shinobi they wouldn't be Hokage now would they). The disadvantage being the shinobi they're facing are above jounin level slightly (which is automaticly a small but fair amount of trouble skill wise for the kage), they're numbers (2:1 in favor of the Jinchuuriki almost), Two of the Jinchuuriki are in fact Kage level (Yagura, and Gaara, and arguably Bee if you want to go there), The added power of demons, that naturally increases the strength of the Jinchuuriki (all shown Jinchuuriki, have shown at least minimal skills in controling their demons with the exception of Gaara I think), not to mention that two out of the 8 have full mastery of sed demonic skills (Yagura and Bee, with the Hachibi being the strongest of the ranks in terms of Bijuu power and excluding Naruto because we've kicked him out of this fight). I'm not ruling out the Hokage's abilities and possibility of beating them I'm only saying they will have a harder time taking down those shinobi. I'm not in turn saying that the Jinchuuriki are easily going to be a match for the Hokage either only that with their automatic advantages that I've already stated the odds are slightly in their favor, assuming each could work together with one another.

I see you've been busy workin with those posts, you a Special Jounin now right. Have you made a bio yet and started training in the Training Grounds?

 

[A K A T S U K I]

i recon the hokages would win. i don't know why but i just think they are stronger and more powerful

 

[arv993]

I don't know if I said it in my first post but I didn't completly underestimate the power of the Kage. I had faith that they could pull it off however you can see where I'm coming from with the disadvantage they have against the Jinchuuriki. However what you say is true. However with the Edo Tensai thing, we have to take into affect the time period. Like I was assuming that they were fighting back in the time when Nidaime Hokage was in power (which wouldn't make sense because the only Kage that would be alive would be Hiruzen and Hashirama, and Tsunade would be a little kid during their regime), but the hypothetical is more modern so the shinobi that have died all in the past could have been fair game for the jutsu. I can see Nidaime and Hiruzen as the powerhouses of the Hokage (Hiruzen's mastery of jutsu and Nidaime's powerful water jutsu), and Minato could would be the speed, Hashirama the master (In everything basically), and Tsunade would be the designated healer. The jutsu of the Jinchuuriki however have all seemed (from the one's we've seen anyway) linked to their Bijuu's characteristics (Roshi had Lava release from the brief encounter we've seen him in, Gaara and his sand) I'm not so sure with Utakata, Yugito Nii, Yagura, Han, or Fuu (due to the fact that we haven't seen or have seen little of them except for Utakata). Each Beast seems to have a unique trait about them with the exception of the Hachibi and Kyuubi as they're specific traits are just the fact that they're the two most powerful of the Bijuu. Mainly what I'm saying now is that Kage's are at the disadvantage, however they do have a chance (if they couldn't hold their own against strong shinobi they wouldn't be Hokage now would they). The disadvantage being the shinobi they're facing are above jounin level slightly (which is automaticly a small but fair amount of trouble skill wise for the kage), they're numbers (2:1 in favor of the Jinchuuriki almost), Two of the Jinchuuriki are in fact Kage level (Yagura, and Gaara, and arguably Bee if you want to go there), The added power of demons, that naturally increases the strength of the Jinchuuriki (all shown Jinchuuriki, have shown at least minimal skills in controling their demons with the exception of Gaara I think), not to mention that two out of the 8 have full mastery of sed demonic skills (Yagura and Bee, with the Hachibi being the strongest of the ranks in terms of Bijuu power and excluding Naruto because we've kicked him out of this fight). I'm not ruling out the Hokage's abilities and possibility of beating them I'm only saying they will have a harder time taking down those shinobi. I'm not in turn saying that the Jinchuuriki are easily going to be a match for the Hokage either only that with their automatic advantages that I've already stated the odds are slightly in their favor, assuming each could work together with one another.

I see you've been busy workin with those posts, you a Special Jounin now right. Have you made a bio yet and started training in the Training Grounds?

Ok i see where you are coming from but its not like the jinchurki can just easily go into full beast mode they have to be extremely close to death or have to be really angry but b4 they could be released at least for all the bijus other than hachibi and te 4 tails the hokages can take the jinchurkis out and if by chance the bijus do come out hashirama's mokutun can resist and constrict the bijus. I'm thinking that if the hokages play it tactical especially since minato is there they could win this with moderate difficulty. They can resverse most of their disadvantages through edo tensei and mokutun. And i can easily see minato even killing the jinchurkis b4 the bijus come out due to his speed, and the hokages can't recieve major damage due to the 2nd's and minato's space time techs, the numbers can also be reveresed due edo like i said b4 , the only way i see the jinchurkis winning is if they all go all out in the beggining. The major problem the hokages have to face are bee, gaara and yagura since they are kage lvl, but there is also a difference in the lvl between those 3 and the first 4 hokages. But we can never be too sure of an outcome because we dont have enough proof and i acknowledge opinion and it is very possible. And as for my bio i want to kno a little more bout what the point of those things are anyway can u tell me like what exactly you can do with it.

 

[Reborn]

Ok i see where you are coming from but its not like the jinchurki can just easily go into full beast mode they have to be extremely close to death or have to be really angry but b4 they could be released at least for all the bijus other than hachibi and te 4 tails the hokages can take the jinchurkis out and if by chance the bijus do come out hashirama's mokutun can resist and constrict the bijus. I'm thinking that if the hokages play it tactical especially since minato is there they could win this with moderate difficulty. They can resverse most of their disadvantages through edo tensei and mokutun. And i can easily see minato even killing the jinchurkis b4 the bijus come out due to his speed, and the hokages can't recieve major damage due to the 2nd's and minato's space time techs, the numbers can also be reveresed due edo like i said b4 , the only way i see the jinchurkis winning is if they all go all out in the beggining. The major problem the hokages have to face are bee, gaara and yagura since they are kage lvl, but there is also a difference in the lvl between those 3 and the first 4 hokages. But we can never be too sure of an outcome because we dont have enough proof and i acknowledge opinion and it is very possible. And as for my bio i want to kno a little more bout what the point of those things are anyway can u tell me like what exactly you can do with it.

When it comes to tactics and intelec I see the Five Kage being more adapt like you said. Not just Minato but Hashirama and Tobirama at least. I mean Hashirama managed to defeat Madara with EMS and Kyuubi, you gotta be smart for that. Tobirama lead the first Great War (for the most part until his death) and from his rep he seems to have been reveered for his abilities, and coming up with Edo isn't something a dumb person could do. I'm starting to agree with you're points now so I'm conceeding the argument to you. As for your bio, I can tell you what I know for making a begginer bio and how to get started on your training and the whole RP thing but more advanced stuff you'll have to ask a sensei or somebody who RP's a lot. I'm about to get started on my own bio and training so I'm gonna vms you about what I know

 

[arv993]

When it comes to tactics and intelec I see the Five Kage being more adapt like you said. Not just Minato but Hashirama and Tobirama at least. I mean Hashirama managed to defeat Madara with EMS and Kyuubi, you gotta be smart for that. Tobirama lead the first Great War (for the most part until his death) and from his rep he seems to have been reveered for his abilities, and coming up with Edo isn't something a dumb person could do. I'm starting to agree with you're points now so I'm conceeding the argument to you. As for your bio, I can tell you what I know for making a begginer bio and how to get started on your training and the whole RP thing but more advanced stuff you'll have to ask a sensei or somebody who RP's a lot. I'm about to get started on my own bio and training so I'm gonna vms you about what I know

ok thanks a lot i wasn't implying that the 1st and second are stupid but we don't kno much about their intellect but from what you are saying that makes sense. yea and thanks for the bio help becos i get confused and don't really what ppl do when they are making a bio and battling with it or something but i guess i'll find out.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Hokages wud lose!!! The kyuubi alone wud kill 1st and 2nd probably, Gaara and Bee wud kill 4th and then 3 tails and 2 tails wud kill 3rd and then 4 tails, 5tails wud kill tsunade, the 6 tails or 7 tails may not even need to help out lol! 5 ppl vs 9 bijjus!!!!!!??

 

[Inclement Weather]

Hokages wud lose!!! The kyuubi alone wud kill 1st and 2nd probably, Gaara and Bee wud kill 4th and then 3 tails and 2 tails wud kill 3rd and then 4 tails, 5tails wud kill tsunade, the 6 tails or 7 tails may not even need to help out lol! 5 ppl vs 9 bijjus!!!!!!??

I'm not trying to be biased but don't forget that they were elected Hokages for a reason. The First was able to control the Jinchuriki with his Mokuton. The others are pretty strong as well, with Minato and the Third on Offense. The Second can provide a good defense and the 5th able to heal if any are injured. They are a pretty well-rounded team. I usually remain bias but when someone totally overpowers a group with opinion but no facts, I gotta step in and straighten it up.

 

[666]

Jinchuriki win, they have more endurance!

 

[thenarutoking]

the 1st cant control any of the beast the jinchuuriki have control over like bee and naruto

 

[oFuiinJutsuu]

The jinchurikii. Only because they have the hokages's outnumbered. Though the majority of the jinchuriki are not on par with the hokages in a 1vs1 sitution, Naruto and Killerbee could take the 2-4 with medium to high difficulty. then you'd have 1-3-5 against 7 jinchurikii and that's where it becomes too much.

Jinchurikii with medium difficulty