what you thought of my own psyche for this hypothetical girl?
Please elaborate the psyche of your own kushina elder only if you wish.
now, let's analyse another thing
And you think that my idea of somehow "against damyos+Tobirama" along with a revolutionary mindset like those in WW2 girls will be accepted by Madara? Actually he has already met her since she helped to save Izuna due being a prodigy not only in medicine but war (don't bother with lineages).
Of course: Considering the great effort put in the psyche of the girl that is able to be really likeable to Madara in the OP. Put in a somewhat long analysis your thoughts about my own analysis and yours if you prefer (about this hypothetical girl and how Madara will act around her).
If you need re-read the entire post, and then post what you think. But remember: be analytical. Don't put it all in one phrase.
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In this way you'll be valorizing the writer's work and much more.
Madara's a super narcissist that only gets hard at displays of power, and his match would have to hold some of his own values.
She'd have to want world peace since it meant so much to Madara and any deviation from Madara's plan would be opposed. If we've been reading the same series, you've noticed that Madara has no interest in listening to anyone weaker than himself & that his belief in Hashirama's plan for world peace was only solidified after getting his ass whooped. She'd have to be someone capable of siding with Madara over Hashirama when literally no Uchiha would AND kicking his ass.
She can be nothing but fanfic, so I'll side with the next best thing.
Tranny Madara.
The problem is that it's not really so much about her traits as a ninja/woman/person-mabopper. You can't really have a girlfriend for someone who isn't interested in having a girlfriend. I see Madara as more the type who would just be out for the task of reproduction than a genuine interest in a partner.
As I have already explained, most Uchiha seem to be incapable of processing the concept of an intimate partner. Even when they have someone who is interested in such a partnership (platonic or romantic), they just don't get the concept of partnership for whatever reason. Even Itachi, who was probably the closest to understanding the concept of a partnership, was only able to do so as an idea that he realized the Uchiha didn't grasp, and never was, himself.
Madara lived for his own interests and ambitions, and died for his own interests and ambitions. He never really had time for those of other people. Even when he was taking action he thought would benefit others - it was not out of a genuine desire to understand what they wanted and support them in that role. He had children because some woman interested him for the purposes of having children. I doubt he ever really considered her as a partner, or she considered him a partner. It must be asked where his partner was during his fight with Hashirama at the Valley of the End. Mito was obviously present to seal the Fox, but Madara's partner was absent (unless we count Hashirama).
As such, there really isn't anyone who can be Madara's partner. There are women he could find suitable for breeding, in a sense - and others he may find intriguing - but there does not exist a single entity, other than Madara, who can be Madara's partner.
The problem is that it's not really so much about her traits as a ninja/woman/person-mabopper. You can't really have a girlfriend for someone who isn't interested in having a girlfriend. I see Madara as more the type who would just be out for the task of reproduction than a genuine interest in a partner.
As I have already explained, most Uchiha seem to be incapable of processing the concept of an intimate partner. Even when they have someone who is interested in such a partnership (platonic or romantic), they just don't get the concept of partnership for whatever reason. Even Itachi, who was probably the closest to understanding the concept of a partnership, was only able to do so as an idea that he realized the Uchiha didn't grasp, and never was, himself.
Madara lived for his own interests and ambitions, and died for his own interests and ambitions. He never really had time for those of other people. Even when he was taking action he thought would benefit others - it was not out of a genuine desire to understand what they wanted and support them in that role. He had children because some woman interested him for the purposes of having children. I doubt he ever really considered her as a partner, or she considered him a partner. It must be asked where his partner was during his fight with Hashirama at the Valley of the End. Mito was obviously present to seal the Fox, but Madara's partner was absent (unless we count Hashirama).
As such, there really isn't anyone who can be Madara's partner. There are women he could find suitable for breeding, in a sense - and others he may find intriguing - but there does not exist a single entity, other than Madara, who can be Madara's partner.
Well, you stayed on the guidelines. But what do you think of my own analysis? After all in my rant she is not supposed to be only a girlfriend but a bff, much like what Hashirama couldn't be - remember: she helped to save Izuna here.
What Madara would think of a girl with a suffragette + Stalin mentality? Would he want to integrate her in the clan in what ways?
And sorry, we don't agree in the part of Madara being interested in her only to be a reproductive machine. Since she helped to save Izuna and more: he is still sane and willing to make connections.
I can repost here:Nice. But I still need you to analyse my own thoughts about her mindset being somewhat "russian revolution+ suffregette" and a mix of Stalin attitude. What kind of problems they would face?
Would Madara not be willing to interact or show off his friend since probably she isn't elite per say. She is a bit like Lenin. Talks with the masses but it doesn't go too well since the burguoise (Tobirama and damyos) are always being hostile towards her? How Madara would approach her?
(Btw in this story, Madara and her get close when she helps to save Izuna)
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I can repost here:Nice. But I still need you to analyse my own thoughts about her mindset being somewhat "russian revolution+ suffregette" and a mix of Stalin attitude. What kind of problems they would face?
Would Madara not be willing to interact or show off his friend since probably she isn't elite per say. She is a bit like Lenin. Talks with the masses but it doesn't go too well since the burguoise (Tobirama and damyos) are always being hostile towards her? How Madara would approach her?
(Btw in this story, Madara and her get close when she helps to save Izuna)
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She will see him being alone and she would approach him and tell him that what they do isnt right and the conversation would begin. And the rest of the members and visitors can give you more answers. Im off
Madara's a super narcissist that only gets hard at displays of power, and his match would have to hold some of his own values.
She'd have to want world peace since it meant so much to Madara and any deviation from Madara's plan would be opposed. If we've been reading the same series, you've noticed that Madara has no interest in listening to anyone weaker than himself & that his belief in Hashirama's plan for world peace was only solidified after getting his ass whooped. She'd have to be someone capable of siding with Madara over Hashirama when literally no Uchiha would AND kicking his ass.
She can be nothing but fanfic, so I'll side with the next best thing.
Tranny Madara.
I apppreciate your effort! Nice analysis! I also think she would have to uphold a lot of morals much higher than most people. She would have to be a leader herself. Not only a shadow to him. It would help him see she is not following him from behind. But shoulder to shoulder.
I also think she would share his non conformity with the clan not hearing about Tobirama and damyos' bigotry.
It would be cool to see their diplomatic reunions with other leaders. She would be much like Stalin+ suffragete so the discussions would be quite flamed up. And Madara just stands there and chuckles.
Just answer this: Can you see this scene in your mind?
Well, you stayed on the guidelines. But what do you think of my own analysis? After all in my rant she is not supposed to be only a girlfriend but a bff, much like what Hashirama couldn't be - remember: she helped to save Izuna here.
What Madara would think of a girl with a suffragette + Stalin mentality? Would he want to integrate her in the clan in what ways?
And sorry, we don't agree in the part of Madara being interested in her only to be a reproductive machine. Since she helped to save Izuna and more: he is still sane and willing to make connections.
Honestly, I'm not sure Madara was all that interested in politics. He wasn't a leader of people, that was kind of the difference between him and Hashirama. Madara had a distinct distaste for the process of politics and really only trusted an application of power to resolve disputes. Problem i--> destroy that problem... no more annoyances from that problem.
His own disagreement with Hashirama showed this. Madara's goals were more absolute and rigid - unwilling to shift and accommodate other people. While this doesn't necessarily make Madara a death machine, it does lead more into what I was saying above about Madara being very alone even when he is trying to be social and develop partnerships. Sometimes, the most tyrannical people out there have nothing but the best of intentions for others. But those kind actions almost always have a string attached - an expectation.
It is easiest to see this when it comes to reactions between men and women. Let's say I take a girl out to eat, pay for the meal, and all that other fun stuff. I shower her with attention and well-wishes and that's all cool... right up until "so, I met somebody..." - every human, at that point, would get upset. The hope and the expectation is that the investment of time and attention will result in a relationship - and then that's obviously not going to happen. Even though we often try and tell ourselves that an action is being done purely because we want to help someone else out, there is almost always a set of expectations that we may have even fooled ourselves into believing weren't there - right up until the point where we don't get what we want. But at the same time - even though I didn't get what I want from this girl - it doesn't mean that my feelings of being angry/upset are truly directed at her, and need to be expressed in the form of angry words. Even if I am upset that things didn't go the way I want, that doesn't mean I want to see her hurt, either.
Anyway - I see Madara's political affiliation as being more of an expression of anger/dissent than it is a genuine interest in leadership and politics. Madara has always lived a fairly combative and nervous life. He was forced into politics because he neither wanted to see war return, nor did he want to see things continue as they were. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place, and it ultimately culminated in the fight with Hashirama - the person he expected to fix the problem(s) without a war.
Perhaps Madara was simply too impatient and felt that he had to solve everything himself, rather than trust that some things would be solved in the future. Perhaps he was simply a tool for Black Zetsu in the end. Or... perhaps he was even smarter than Zetsu under Tobidara model and worked behind the scenes to make sure Zetsu's plan failed. I wrote, once, on the possibility that Itachi, Orochimaru, and Danzo were part of a conspiracy centering around Sasuke to steer him down the right path. I would have to dig waaay back into the board to find it, though. It was a very basic theory, not extremely well war-gamed to find faults.
In any event, I think he would have found a politically-oriented woman relatively troublesome. That isn't to say he would find it intolerable, but in Madara's eyes, politics would probably be tantamount to trying to stir up wars. He detested politics so much that he was willing to force everyone into a delusional world (that would... I guess end all life on the planet... it's not like the people in the illusion were going to live out anything approaching a normal life and have kids or anything... that was it) - rather than trust people with a forced peace. While he would likely appreciate someone's willingness to engage their adversaries on whatever front they were to be found on, he, himself, would not likely want to sleep with and be intimate with someone whose ambitions were centered on politics.
We get very little information on Mito, so she may still work just fine - we don't know exactly why she and Hashirama ended up together, and we don't really know much about her personality, motivations, etc. However, I do see her being more similar to Hashirama, and therefor more involved socially than would have really been Madara's taste.
I would actually see him going for someone like Tenten with his own personality being rather similar to Neji's. Neji's reasons for being political would seem to be rather similar to those of Madara, except it was an issue Neji was ultimately able to come to terms with, while Madara suffered his for a very long time (spare, perhaps, for the tobidara model). Neji is, effectively, Naruto's first real foil aside from Sasuke, and the original Foil intended before the Uchiha were part of the manga.
I would have to say that if Madara could ever find female companionship, it would probably be someone more similar to Tenten. Which is rather interesting, given that Tenten curiously resembles Mito and we have next to no information on what clan Tenten comes from (I hypothesize Uzumaki, but that's just me creating a story).
As for suggesting Madara is like Stalin... well... I don't have many kind words for that. To be fair, history creates a very bizarre lens. For example, I was rather quick to judge Trump against raw idealism... yet there are numerous obstacles between the current state of reality and the more ideal future. People can only work with what they are given, and Stalin may genuinely have been a great leader who spared his country even if everything about what he had to do was not ideal.
Let's say Trump were to drop all the truth bombs right now about what has been going on and deploy the military to try and round up the wrong-doers... the result would be mass confusion and disaster. In the West, we assume Stalin came to power and enacted a lot of policies that were destructive to Russia and resulted in the death of millions of Russians. While that may be somewhat true, it's also my experience that the types of people who like to destroy nations love to sabotage the leadership of those who truly have their best interest at heart. Stalin may very well have been at war with his own 'deep state' that we never truly saw in the West.
But that is drifting into another topic. It is my general opinion that Stalin was, ultimately, a tool or a pawn of a more insidious network of criminals.... wittingly or not, Russia was horribly compromised by the Red Revolution and the entire academia of the Western World poisoned with exaggerated promises of Marxism and collectivism. I suppose, in that sense, Infinite Tsukuyomi would be a perfect parallel for the goals of socialism/communism. It's a lie. One that seems nice in your head... but once you actually see it for what it is, it's rather horrifying what it does to people.
Not that the goal is wrong. Not that war and fighting among nations is good - but given the choice between IT and Boruto... I think most people would prefer Boruto.
I have deviated greatly from the topic at this point.
He would need someone like Bulma from Dragon Ball. That would be a girl who is very intellectual and more or less fearless. Madara's girl wouldn't even fear someone who was stronger than her (just as Bulma isn't afraid to casually slap people like Beerus, even if it does backfire at times).
As far as the political scene goes, this girl would come up with brilliant ideas (better ideas than Hashirama, Tobirama, Madara, or just about anyone else) that would resolve various issues in Konoha and around the shinobi world (such as issues over land allocation, food production, militarism, etc...). Her ideas would be the type where any logical person would agree to them.
If/when Tobirama started acting up, this girl would not tolerate it, and I believe that she would be clever enough to win the support of the people to see her view over Tobirama's. The likes of Hiruzen and Danzou would never come into power.
As for her battle power, she would need to be a decently strong kunoichi so that she could keep up with Madara's lifestyle.
Honestly, I'm not sure Madara was all that interested in politics. He wasn't a leader of people, that was kind of the difference between him and Hashirama. Madara had a distinct distaste for the process of politics and really only trusted an application of power to resolve disputes. Problem i--> destroy that problem... no more annoyances from that problem.
His own disagreement with Hashirama showed this. Madara's goals were more absolute and rigid - unwilling to shift and accommodate other people. While this doesn't necessarily make Madara a death machine, it does lead more into what I was saying above about Madara being very alone even when he is trying to be social and develop partnerships. Sometimes, the most tyrannical people out there have nothing but the best of intentions for others. But those kind actions almost always have a string attached - an expectation.
It is easiest to see this when it comes to reactions between men and women. Let's say I take a girl out to eat, pay for the meal, and all that other fun stuff. I shower her with attention and well-wishes and that's all cool... right up until "so, I met somebody..." - every human, at that point, would get upset. The hope and the expectation is that the investment of time and attention will result in a relationship - and then that's obviously not going to happen. Even though we often try and tell ourselves that an action is being done purely because we want to help someone else out, there is almost always a set of expectations that we may have even fooled ourselves into believing weren't there - right up until the point where we don't get what we want. But at the same time - even though I didn't get what I want from this girl - it doesn't mean that my feelings of being angry/upset are truly directed at her, and need to be expressed in the form of angry words. Even if I am upset that things didn't go the way I want, that doesn't mean I want to see her hurt, either.
Anyway - I see Madara's political affiliation as being more of an expression of anger/dissent than it is a genuine interest in leadership and politics. Madara has always lived a fairly combative and nervous life. He was forced into politics because he neither wanted to see war return, nor did he want to see things continue as they were. He was stuck between a rock and a hard place, and it ultimately culminated in the fight with Hashirama - the person he expected to fix the problem(s) without a war.
Perhaps Madara was simply too impatient and felt that he had to solve everything himself, rather than trust that some things would be solved in the future. Perhaps he was simply a tool for Black Zetsu in the end. Or... perhaps he was even smarter than Zetsu under Tobidara model and worked behind the scenes to make sure Zetsu's plan failed. I wrote, once, on the possibility that Itachi, Orochimaru, and Danzo were part of a conspiracy centering around Sasuke to steer him down the right path. I would have to dig waaay back into the board to find it, though. It was a very basic theory, not extremely well war-gamed to find faults.
In any event, I think he would have found a politically-oriented woman relatively troublesome. That isn't to say he would find it intolerable, but in Madara's eyes, politics would probably be tantamount to trying to stir up wars. He detested politics so much that he was willing to force everyone into a delusional world (that would... I guess end all life on the planet... it's not like the people in the illusion were going to live out anything approaching a normal life and have kids or anything... that was it) - rather than trust people with a forced peace. While he would likely appreciate someone's willingness to engage their adversaries on whatever front they were to be found on, he, himself, would not likely want to sleep with and be intimate with someone whose ambitions were centered on politics.
We get very little information on Mito, so she may still work just fine - we don't know exactly why she and Hashirama ended up together, and we don't really know much about her personality, motivations, etc. However, I do see her being more similar to Hashirama, and therefor more involved socially than would have really been Madara's taste.
I would actually see him going for someone like Tenten with his own personality being rather similar to Neji's. Neji's reasons for being political would seem to be rather similar to those of Madara, except it was an issue Neji was ultimately able to come to terms with, while Madara suffered his for a very long time (spare, perhaps, for the tobidara model). Neji is, effectively, Naruto's first real foil aside from Sasuke, and the original Foil intended before the Uchiha were part of the manga.
I would have to say that if Madara could ever find female companionship, it would probably be someone more similar to Tenten. Which is rather interesting, given that Tenten curiously resembles Mito and we have next to no information on what clan Tenten comes from (I hypothesize Uzumaki, but that's just me creating a story).
As for suggesting Madara is like Stalin... well... I don't have many kind words for that. To be fair, history creates a very bizarre lens. For example, I was rather quick to judge Trump against raw idealism... yet there are numerous obstacles between the current state of reality and the more ideal future. People can only work with what they are given, and Stalin may genuinely have been a great leader who spared his country even if everything about what he had to do was not ideal.
Let's say Trump were to drop all the truth bombs right now about what has been going on and deploy the military to try and round up the wrong-doers... the result would be mass confusion and disaster. In the West, we assume Stalin came to power and enacted a lot of policies that were destructive to Russia and resulted in the death of millions of Russians. While that may be somewhat true, it's also my experience that the types of people who like to destroy nations love to sabotage the leadership of those who truly have their best interest at heart. Stalin may very well have been at war with his own 'deep state' that we never truly saw in the West.
But that is drifting into another topic. It is my general opinion that Stalin was, ultimately, a tool or a pawn of a more insidious network of criminals.... wittingly or not, Russia was horribly compromised by the Red Revolution and the entire academia of the Western World poisoned with exaggerated promises of Marxism and collectivism. I suppose, in that sense, Infinite Tsukuyomi would be a perfect parallel for the goals of socialism/communism. It's a lie. One that seems nice in your head... but once you actually see it for what it is, it's rather horrifying what it does to people.
Not that the goal is wrong. Not that war and fighting among nations is good - but given the choice between IT and Boruto... I think most people would prefer Boruto.
I have deviated greatly from the topic at this point.
Aim64C, I thanks a lot your strife in analysing all the post. I read every single one of the words in your rant. Well let's begin:
Honestly, I'm not sure Madara was all that interested in politics. He wasn't a leader of people, that was kind of the difference between him and Hashirama. Madara had a distinct distaste for the process of politics and really only trusted an application of power to resolve disputes. Problem i--> destroy that problem... no more annoyances from that problem.
I agree that politics annoy Madara a little. After all, he has seen war, and that's what he is good at. He is almost awkward with all this situation.
In any event, I think he would have found a politically-oriented woman relatively troublesome. That isn't to say he would find it intolerable, but in Madara's eyes, politics would probably be tantamount to trying to stir up wars. He detested politics so much that he was willing to force everyone into a delusional world (that would... I guess end all life on the planet... it's not like the people in the illusion were going to live out anything approaching a normal life and have kids or anything... that was it) - rather than trust people with a forced peace. While he would likely appreciate someone's willingness to engage their adversaries on whatever front they were to be found on, he, himself, would not likely want to sleep with and be intimate with someone whose ambitions were centered on politics.
Thanks, now I am able to see one of the problems he would get with this girl: she'd be somehow active and saying a lot of things that may compromise his work or stance. But in the end, she would make him try to see the reason behind it. And he may say "Well, it couldn't be hold back this situation". She may bring "war" talks (since she nevers agree with Tobirama and despises his ways of sacrificing humans with Edo Tensei) and this may annoy the Uchiha members since all they want is peace. Can you picture this in your mind?
I also think that I didn't explain quite well: the girl has the suffragete stance, but specially when Tobirama and Damyos keep doing all their wrong doings. She would also call Hashirama on for being such a puppet. How do you think that Madara would behave towards it? Her stance is like Stalin's when it comes to war -quite merciless. And no she isn't communist. She thinks that the clan should be well and not treated with prejudice.
What leads us to the next point:
As for suggesting Madara is like Stalin... well... I don't have many kind words for that. To be fair, history creates a very bizarre lens. For example, I was rather quick to judge Trump against raw idealism... yet there are numerous obstacles between the current state of reality and the more ideal future. People can only work with what they are given, and Stalin may genuinely have been a great leader who spared his country even if everything about what he had to do was not ideal.
Sorry XD I was quite ambiguous. The girl is like Stalin and not Madara. And no! You didn't deviate from the topic at all! Thanks for explaining with such details!
As she is like Stalin (in fighting -WW2), she is very powerful, challenging Madara's and Hashirama's powers. She is also very "all or nothing", so when she enters you know things are getting horrible just like Stalingrad fight. One thing she is different from Stalin is that she hates betrayal of a leader towards its clan. So she is somehow annoyed with Madara giving up. She understands his situation and don't blames him but still...... That's why she would investigate together with Madara everything that Tobirama is doing. She would have wanted to be by his side in that canon panel when he left the leave in Hashirama's house.
She is a prodigy that started of alone, so Madara feels.... flattered to have her around? I guess Mito and Tobirama would feel inferiority complex. What do you think of it?
Honestly, I'm not sure Madara was all that interested in politics. He wasn't a leader of people, that was kind of the difference between him and Hashirama. Madara had a distinct distaste for the process of politics and really only trusted an application of power to resolve disputes. Problem i--> destroy that problem... no more annoyances from that problem.
The thing about the spoiler... Madara was never interested in politics or leadership. The only thing he cared about is the hearts of other people and what they truly think and feel.
Thats why they never could get along especially because Tobirama was there and he knew exactly how Tobirama was and most important thing he killed Izuna
You should analyse more. And you are being quite "egoistic". Let me explain: In the rant, I explained she is also very "clan oriented", hence the comparision with "the italian immigration". She understands how prejudiced Madara is being, and she understands that the clan is almost like a kid hurt by a long time. So she makes sure to show by "recordings" how fooled they are being.
She gets quite frustrated, yes, but she doesn't give in immediately to bloddy instinct like Madara does.
Although she is very into terrible fights like Stalingrad -when she knows nothing can truly be solved.
EDIT (But yes she is bloodlusted in the battlefield)
About being bloodlusted I can see her being like Simo hayha. Do you know who he is?
So yes in this you may be right. Hearing about her legends in the battlefield maybe they will do like Biwako?
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But I can see her being more liked than Madara. (Not with elders and damyos)
Consider the following scenario: she discovers what happened to Madara (after he hears Tobirama and Hashirama talking), and then after a long time she is able to call Tobirama on in a reunion that just Madara plus her are present: She is like very angered with Tobirama accusing him of all the things that he does behind the scenes, specially EdoTensei. And then she accuses Hashirama of following him blindly. Then Tobirama calls her on "A War can be started if you continue your immature behaviour". What is true.
What do you think that Madara will do, how will he behave? Considering finally someone is standing up for him (here Izuna is dead) in centuries and also: he knows how much group oriented she is, and true to her goals (You can imagine her coming from a community like this,
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Syndicalism, group oriented, even if they are dying together -one of the motives she dislikes Uchiha being cowards for abandoning Madara) EDIT: Also, he knows how powerful she is, she is like Stalin and its troops in WW2: merciless and deadly.
Okay. It's fine. But I ask you to answer the same question as The Uchiha please!
Consider the following scenario: she discovers what happened to Madara (after he hears Tobirama and Hashirama talking), and then after a long time she is able to call Tobirama on in a reunion that just Madara plus her are present: She is like very angered with Tobirama accusing him of all the things that he does behind the scenes, specially EdoTensei. And then she accuses Hashirama of following him blindly. Then Tobirama calls her on "A War can be started if you continue your immature behaviour". What is true.
What do you think that Madara will do, how will he behave?
EDIT: Consider all her personality from the previous post! (deadly on the battlefield like Stalin's troops, but still very attentive towards the prejudiced people and group oriented because she is somehow a syndicalist lol)
AraigneeDuSoir, you are stalking the thread. Would you like to say something constructive about the OP thread content?
Consider the following scenario: she discovers what happened to Madara (after he hears Tobirama and Hashirama talking), and then after a long time she is able to call Tobirama on in a reunion that just Madara plus her are present: She is like very angered with Tobirama accusing him of all the things that he does behind the scenes, specially EdoTensei. And then she accuses Hashirama of following him blindly. Then Tobirama calls her on "A War can be started if you continue your immature behaviour". What is true.
What do you think that Madara will do, how will he behave? Considering finally someone is standing up for him (here Izuna is dead) in centuries and also: he knows how much group oriented she is, and true to her goals (You can imagine her coming from a community like this,
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Syndicalism, group oriented, even if they are dying together -one of the motives she dislikes Uchiha being cowards for abandoning Madara) EDIT: Also, he knows how powerful she is, she is like Stalin and its troops in WW2: merciless and deadly.
Consider the following scenario: she discovers what happened to Madara (after he hears Tobirama and Hashirama talking), and then after a long time she is able to call Tobirama on in a reunion that just Madara plus her are present: She is like very angered with Tobirama accusing him of all the things that he does behind the scenes, specially EdoTensei. And then she accuses Hashirama of following him blindly. Then Tobirama calls her on "A War can be started if you continue your immature behaviour". What is true.
What do you think that Madara will do, how will he behave? Considering finally someone is standing up for him (here Izuna is dead) in centuries and also: he knows how much group oriented she is, and true to her goals (You can imagine her coming from a community like this,
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Syndicalism, group oriented, even if they are dying together -one of the motives she dislikes Uchiha being cowards for abandoning Madara) EDIT: Also, he knows how powerful she is, she is like Stalin and its troops in WW2: merciless and deadly.
Im really out of options here ...is this the same time as what happened with Madara but just with her in the story?
I can only imagine Madara saying "Are you threatening us"? - threat carefully. Tobirama could say something watch your tongue Uchiha dog - and thats when she gets angry and perhaps attack Tobirama at that moment with some deadly technique. Tobirama menages to survive it and sound an alarm for others to notice and hear of their betrayel.
At that moment Madara and her - just look up in their eyes they alrdy understand each other and that the sound of re-retreat since the negotiation didnt go well. While trying to escape they get followed by the rest of the ninjas of Konoha but they menaged to escape to the woods and lose the track of them. ( this could also be some other scenario but this is what i wrote ) I hope this is not too bad lol
Im really out of options here ...is this the same time as what happened with Madara but just with her in the story?
I can only imagine Madara saying "Are you threatening us"? - threat carefully. Tobirama could say something watch your tongue Uchiha dog - and thats when she gets angry and perhaps attack Tobirama at that moment with some deadly technique. Tobirama menages to survive it and sound an alarm for others to notice and hear of their betrayel.
At that moment Madara and her - just look up in their eyes they alrdy understand each other and that the sound of re-retreat since the negotiation didnt go well. While trying to escape they get followed by the rest of the ninjas of Konoha but they menaged to escape to the woods and lose the track of them. ( this could also be some other scenario but this is what i wrote ) I hope this is not too bad lol
I loved it! wease:
I also think that Madara would try not only to protect her- it would be OOC. And after all both are leaders. They are thinking in the "US". In the group. And I'm pretty sure Madara in this scene understands "her guts". Maybe in the same level as Hashirama - (there are other parts in which she risks her own life for her own people and army - even still not being a commader but just a simple soldier.
So yes, he knows she is as selfless as Hashirama -at least in that time he tried to sacrifice himself.)
Your descriptions fit perfectly!:ilu:
I hope I'm not being annoying, but I wish to have your opinion on this other scenario: Madara, Izuna (in this scenario he is alive due the girl saving him with her prodigious skills) and this girl are in a damyo reunion. It's super formal, and y'know: Madara doesn't have formal clothing. Much less her.
She uses a kind of " syndicalist male Industrial revolution clothing" (does it make sense? XD). So yes, she causes some stares - specially by Tobirama and Mito who want alliances with damyos in whatever price it may be -Edo tensei, creating jinchurikis....And it this kind of political stances do annoy her .
The situation eventually heats up, and she is at disadvantage. What Izuna and Madara are thinking and doing? Like what's going in their heads about her? Btw: what's Hashirama thinking about her?
My post should've already indicated my answer. Any female who's more than a shadow of Madara must be capable of killing him as well. In the same vein, I think I have to reconsider whether his love can only be complete fanfic since there is the possibility of a woman stronger than Madara. If Sakura lived in his era, she would've been able to beat her ideology into his small, dense head if she had any.
My post should've already indicated my answer. Any female who's more than a shadow of Madara must be capable of killing him as well. In the same vein, I think I have to reconsider whether his love can only be complete fanfic since there is the possibility of a woman stronger than Madara. If Sakura lived in his era, she would've been able to beat her ideology into his small, dense head if she had any.
I asked you another thing: if you could see that specific scenario in your head:
She would have to be a leader herself. Not only a shadow to him. It would help him see she is not following him from behind. But shoulder to shoulder.
I also think she would share his non conformity with the clan not hearing about Tobirama and damyos' bigotry.
It would be cool to see their diplomatic reunions with other leaders. She would be much like Stalin+ suffragete so the discussions would be quite flamed up. And Madara just stands there and chuckles.
wease: 
