The Gaiden Plothole Thread

[lndra]

feels like it some times.

It does, doesn't it?

What a waste of time ._.

 

[BlackBison]

Gaiden had a lot of inconsistencies, unlikely plot occurences & straight up plot holes. Feel free to join in, this is only a few.

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List awkward red-herrings and elements that went nowhere as well as actual plotholes.

• What mission during an era at peace forced one of Konoha's strongest to a near-suicide jutsu?
  
  
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  Like ino said, choji hasn't been on a lot of missions so he just went a lil over board. Also, using calorie control (a.k.a butterfly mode) naturally doesn't endanger his health.
  
• Shin's affiliation to The Akatsuki was unlikely & insanely irrelevant. (forced red herring is forced)
  
  Shin was a itachi fanboy and since itachi was part of akatsuki he wanted to revive akatsuki. Never got the chance since he wasn't able to complete one of his missions, which was to kill the person who killed itachi (sasuke). This caused the end scene of shin's life which resulted in death.
  
• Expected to believe that Suigetsu wouldn't know the mother of Sasuke's kid. When him & his masters entire motivation is to follow Sasuke and watch what he does.
  
  
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  From the sound of everything it seems suigestu,juugo, and orochimaru wasn't at that hideout during the birth of sarada. Also, orochimaru more than likely dropped the whole wanting sasuke body thing.
  
• What was Sasuke doing for 14 years walking around a forest? How long does it take this lightning fast ninja to explore the place?
  
  For something years sasuke was traveling through dimensions and searching through their dimensions for answers.
  
• Jugo is suddenly content not following Sasuke & his promise was never delivered.
  
  Juugo needed sasuke to keep in control of himself. Nowadays juugo seems to have everything in check, which means he can live his life apart from sasuke.
  
• Why did Sakura crash the house if the birth issue wasn't a sore subject?
  
  
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  Just like tsunade sakura has a short fuse. She just accidentally punched the ground to hard and destroyed their house foundation.
  
• Shizune had no reason to not solve this entire family drama in one panel.
  
  What most people forget is that sarada asked these questions. Who delievered me? Who helped with the birth? She wanted to know everything concerning her birth. Sadly, Shizune did not know any of these details. Also, sarada was too impatient to wait for sakura to wake up and at this point didn't trust her words.
  
• Regardless of his Itachitherapy, Kabuto has been given fathership of 100+ MS Users. Nobody knows about or can prove the events of Izanami.
  
  This is honestly the weird one but I guess they put the blame on orochimaru and danzo for how kabuto ended up. Also, sasuke is proof of Itachi's work involving converting kabuto from the dark side.
  
• If Sakura & Karin are friends why did Sakura hide her in the picture frame?
  
  It's a family photo and in a family photo friends normally aren't present. You have to remember that the uchiha family didn't have a natural family photo, so sakura used pictures and created one for sarada. If karin, suigestu, and juugo were present it wouldn't be a family photo it would just be a photo. Also, that seemed to be the only photo of sasuke when he wasn't a kid, so she had to work with what she had.
  
• Why did Sakura not pick up on Sarada asking odd questions and just tell her the non-dramatic truth?
  
  Sakura got mad punch the ground and collasped. Sarada then left on a search to find karin and her father. Sakura never had the time to explain anything.
  
• The several moments of characters forgetting they had powers.
  
  Years of peace will cause people to weaken since they don't train a lot.
  
• Sakura has never shown any interest in being or becoming a housewife and that is almost confirmed what she is.
  
  We don't know what sakura does, the gaiden didn't showcase what she does. All she was doing is cleaning her house, washing dishes, and doing laundry. This is natural housework that everyone does. No one wants a messy house.
  

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[*]Kabuto strangely has his scales and body modifications back.

when kabuto was healing sasuke he was back in his snake form. Since orochimaru didn't take 100% of his chakra away from kabuto he reverted back to his snake like appearance.

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Answer are in the bold

 

[Imaginesafety]

-Butterfly Mode isn't suicidal for Choji anymore. Back then, to enter it you needed a solider pill which was incredibly lethal.

-An era of peace is the top villages having understanding of one another and not trying to secretly murder each other. There's probably still civil wars here and power struggles, between minor villages, Natural disasters among other things.

-Shin stated the Akatsui represented evolution or something like that iirc.

-Suigetsu and Taka aren't always around each other and judging by Karin's absence, they go to different hideouts on the regular. Orochimaru's end goal isn't observing Sasuke, it's immortality and all jutsu.

-Sasuke was investigating Kaguya's dimensions for those years

-Jugo is fine as long as Sasuke is alive

-Sakura wrecked the house because Sarada questioned the integrity of her parent's marriage

-It wasn't Shizune's place

-If you knew how Izanami worked, you should know that he can never go back to being the way he used to be.

-They aren't friends

-Sakura isn't that bright

-Gaiden nerfs and movie hype

-Yes she has

You solo'd this thread.

 

[Strata Uchiha]

Gaiden was a big filler.

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^ Just like this guy. Sora.

 

[Mikasa Hagaromo]

Gaiden had a lot of inconsistencies, unlikely plot occurences & straight up plot holes. Feel free to join in, this is only a few.

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List awkward red-herrings and elements that went nowhere as well as actual plotholes.

• What mission during an era at peace forced one of Konoha's strongest to a near-suicide jutsu?
  
  
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• Shin's affiliation to The Akatsuki was unlikely & insanely irrelevant. (forced red herring is forced)
  
  
• Expected to believe that Suigetsu wouldn't know the mother of Sasuke's kid. When him & his masters entire motivation is to follow Sasuke and watch what he does.
  
  
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• What was Sasuke doing for 14 years walking around a forest? How long does it take this lightning fast ninja to explore the place?
  
  
• Jugo is suddenly content not following Sasuke & his promise was never delivered.
  
  
• Why did Sakura crash the house if the birth issue wasn't a sore subject?
  
  
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• Shizune had no reason to not solve this entire family drama in one panel.
  
  
• Regardless of his Itachitherapy, Kabuto has been given fathership of 100+ MS Users. Nobody knows about or can prove the events of Izanami.
  
  
• If Sakura & Karin are friends why did Sakura hide her in the picture frame?
  
  
• Why did Sakura not pick up on Sarada asking odd questions and just tell her the non-dramatic truth?
  
  
• The several moments of characters forgetting they had powers.
  
  
• Sakura has never shown any interest in being or becoming a housewife and that is almost confirmed what she is.

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[*]Kabuto strangely has his scales and body modifications back.

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Not a single, solitary one of these is a plot hole.

1- Peace between the 5 great nations does not = no threats anywhere or strong evil ppl.
2- Won't even bother responding to this, as it's pretty damn dumb.
3- Won't even bother responding to this, as it's pretty damn dumb.
4- Jugo's wil was to honor Kimmimaro....with Oro gone, he was following Sasuke who Kimmimaro sacrificed himself to save for the sake of Oro...with Oro being back, he's going to serve Oro for Kimmi's sake. plus he needs Oro to keep his rampages under control.
5- Sarada wasn't questioning her birth when Sakura destoryed the house, she was questioning her marriage to Sasuke. Sarada was mouthing off bc she was sick of Sakura's shit with the evasive answers and lack of knowledge about the most basic shit about her supposed husband. The anger was from the disrespect, not from having something to hide.
6- It's not Shizune's place to explain it to Sarada, nor is it any of her business.
7- So she's supposed to post pics in the house of her father's gangsta crew so Sarada can find out about the days her father was an international criminal? The hidden pic served multiple purposes: a) for Kishi to troll us b) symbolize the continued connection between Sasuke's past and his present...with this last chapter, we now know that there still exists somewhat of a bond between Taka and Sasuke--especially Karin based on them having faced life and death together in the past, c) create some semblance of a family for Sarada
8- Sakura DID answer Sarada's questions and tell her the truth. Sasuke was on a very important mission. What more do you want? Sarada never asked Sakura if she was really her mom....she questioned her marriage, and we now see that Sakura answered her honestly each time...the WAY she answered her seemed sketchy inded though, but I think it was more from saddness and guilt bc Sarada has been asking the same questions for years and Sakura understands her angst
9- No one forgot anything. Sasuke was weakened from jumping dimensions and lost his eye powers. Naruto was rusty and holding back. This does not meet the requirements to be defined as a plot hole.
10- Don't understand what you're trying to say in the 10th statement
11- Kabuto got the scales back when he was healing Sasuke too...and that was after the moment in the panel you showed, so apparently he can activate and deactivate scale mode, i'onno....but this is NOT a plot hole.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Right, let's get to work.

-Butterfly Mode isn't suicidal for Choji anymore. Back then, to enter it you needed a solider pill which was incredibly lethal.

Regardless, hard to believe there is a remaining everyday threat in this world able to push Chouji to that level. Suicidal or not, it's still damaging to the body. Existence of such an opponent in this heavily-reinforced peacetime is unlikely and if so- just a big a threat as Shin, yet Shin is such a surprise.

-Shin stated the Akatsui represented evolution or something like that iirc.

Incredibly unlikely and weak. Who told him about this information? Orochimaru? The person who hates the Akatsuki and Itachi? The Akatsuki were nothing about evolution and aimed to create Nagato's peace, but Shin's ramblings were of how people within peacetime stop evolving and become weak, likely alluding to the upcoming threat but it turns out his motivation as well as his linkage to Itachi was nothing more than a blatant Kishi attempt at a red herring.

-Suigetsu and Taka aren't always around each other and judging by Karin's absence, they go to different hideouts on the regular. Orochimaru's end goal isn't observing Sasuke, it's immortality and all jutsu.

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Entire point of everything Orochimaru said from his rebirth onwards suggested that he is now more interested in watching over Sasuke becoming 'the wind' rather than himself. As people who were there during the birth and their pretty uneventful lives in solitude- it is ridiculous to think that Karin and Suigetsu haven't discussed the guy their lives revolved around for a period of time. Suigetsu would know.

-Sasuke was investigating Kaguya's dimensions for those years

Not enough coverage on Sasuke's wanderings to make a definite claim so i'll drop this one for now.

-Sakura wrecked the house because Sarada questioned the integrity of her parent's marriage

Now I know the girl had anger management issues but busting the house over that? Putting her kid in danger? Nah. Sakura subjected her daughter to a vacant dad and a demented family dynamic, this is a perfectly reasonable if awkward question and the only reason Kishi finished the scene this way was to add to the mystery, and create the red herring that there is history in this subject. When there is none.

-It wasn't Shizune's place

Yeah. Best let the kid ponder her own existence some more...Regardless, that makes this miniseries' central melodrama entirely based around circumstance and chance. There are people who know all the answers but luckily choose just not to get involved so that this plot line can function, not a good plot advancement.

-If you knew how Izanami worked, you should know that he can never go back to being the way he used to be.

You misunderstand me. A.) Nobody in the village has ever heard of Izanami. Itachi was the only person in the run of the series who ever acknowledged this pristine ancient Uchiha technique, to the extent that even the studious Kabuto didn't know a thing about it.

B.) Nobody is there to actually prove this complete change of heart that has happened off-screen that none of them witnessed. If you claim Sasuke would've sat everyone down and explained it then nah. Sasuke barely had time to give heed to Team 7 and left the village almost instantly.

C.) Regardless of intel or knowledge, it'd still turn heads and be considered a no-no. I have complete knowledge on Kabuto facts haha

-Sakura isn't that bright

It's a simple "daughter is obviously questioning existence which actually is not complex at all. Better explain before she forms a complex over it or finds that picture in the photo frame of a woman who looks like her. well fUNNY STORY SARADA

Also on another note, Sakura never told Sarada about how it was when she was born? I knew by the age of 10 how and where I was born, most kids ask that or are told in anecdotal form in fact, especially as Sakura's is a funny story and is one of the rare moments the family was all together. Odd.

-Gaiden nerfs and movie hype

Still are shown to have the abilities in later chapters that would've saved their tushes. Eh, personally I don't tend to have a problem with combat ones like this, just picked up from the countless NB threads that week against Shin.

-Yes she has

this deserves its own one, brb

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

-Yes she has (shown interest in being a housewife)

why sakura haruno is a housewife, an essay by numbers (age 8 and a half)

It’s been over two hundred pages, and we’ve never seen Sakura be at work. No character has said a word about Sakura’s job. And this is a comic where she’s a main character.

In Japan, the tradition is that a married mother stays at home. Sakura is a married mother in a world based on Japan. Kishimoto revealed Sasuke’s job, as well as Naruto’s, and lots of other characters’ occupations. There’s no reason to keep Sakura’s job secret if she’d had one.#

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In the epilogue, she’s taking care of her household while everybody else is at work.
Kishimoto knows that if Sakura’s a married mom, and is at home when everybody else is at work, and never mentions a job for 200+ pages, his Japanese readers (and lots of the other readers too) will assume she’s a housewife. If he didn’t want them to assume that, he would have made it clear that she had a job.

At this point, Kishimoto’s had so much time to reveal her job that the only reason he wouldn’t do it is because he wants to keep it a secret (which is absurd). So yeah, I’d say she’s almost definitely a housewife. Anything else is theoretically possible but not likely. And that does strike me as a bit sexist.

Don’t get me wrong–there’s nothing wrong with being a housewife if you want to be. But when she never shows any desire to be a housweife before the epilogue, it’s a sign that Kishimoto just figured that it’d be a natural fit for her since she’s a woman. It’s not a pleasant thought, but that’s the only reason I can find that he’d make her a housewife.

 

[Hyuga Prodigy]

I had a feeling karin was lieing to suigetsu when she's making things all up to hide the embarrassed truth when she actually f*cked Sasuke.

 

[lndra]

It’s been over two hundred pages, and we’ve never seen Sakura be at work..

In the movie information character sheet /w relationship charts, it says that Sakura is a mother who supports her daughter. Basically that's her role now :lol

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

In the movie information character sheet /w relationship charts, it says that Sakura is a mother who supports her daughter. Basically that's her role now :lol

A shame :/

Point stands, there is nothing mentioned before 700 that indicates she'd be interested in that life.

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[MAN OF SIN]

-Sasuke was investigating Kaguya's dimensions for those years

Chapter 700, a flashback, and Karin's statements says otherwise.

-Sakura wrecked the house because Sarada questioned the integrity of her parent's marriage

They have no wedding photos so it's very reasonable to question it.

-It wasn't Shizune's place

Yeah it was. No one would take offense if she did. Plus the ENTIRE medical staff didn't answer.

Besides, did Shizune say that?

-They aren't friends

According to Karin they are

 

[SilverJay]

why sakura haruno is a housewife, an essay by numbers (age 8 and a half)

It’s been over two hundred pages, and we’ve never seen Sakura be at work. No character has said a word about Sakura’s job. And this is a comic where she’s a main character.

In Japan, the tradition is that a married mother stays at home. Sakura is a married mother in a world based on Japan. Kishimoto revealed Sasuke’s job, as well as Naruto’s, and lots of other characters’ occupations. There’s no reason to keep Sakura’s job secret if she’d had one.#

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In the epilogue, she’s taking care of her household while everybody else is at work.
Kishimoto knows that if Sakura’s a married mom, and is at home when everybody else is at work, and never mentions a job for 200+ pages, his Japanese readers (and lots of the other readers too) will assume she’s a housewife. If he didn’t want them to assume that, he would have made it clear that she had a job.

At this point, Kishimoto’s had so much time to reveal her job that the only reason he wouldn’t do it is because he wants to keep it a secret (which is absurd). So yeah, I’d say she’s almost definitely a housewife. Anything else is theoretically possible but not likely. And that does strike me as a bit sexist.

Don’t get me wrong–there’s nothing wrong with being a housewife if you want to be. But when she never shows any desire to be a housweife before the epilogue, it’s a sign that Kishimoto just figured that it’d be a natural fit for her since she’s a woman. It’s not a pleasant thought, but that’s the only reason I can find that he’d make her a housewife.

In the Boruto movie she's shown healing someone.

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I don't think she's a housewife 24/7. Sakura talked about her loan in ch 1 of the gaiden and seemed like she needed money...which means she must have to work. Okay but people make it sound like housewives choose their jobs. SOMEONE has to do it. It's a part of life. Someone has to cook, clean and take care of Sarada. Sasuke can't do it and so Sakura has to do 2 jobs. It's what most single mothers do. Unless she hires a maid then she has to be the one to do it.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

In the Boruto movie she's shown healing someone.

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I don't think she's a housewife 24/7. Sakura talked about her loan in ch 1 of the gaiden and seemed like she needed money...which means she must have to work. Okay but people make it sound like housewives choose their jobs. SOMEONE has to do it. It's a part of life. Someone has to cook, clean and take care of Sarada. Sasuke can't do it and so Sakura has to do 2 jobs. It's what most single mothers do. Unless she hires a maid then she has to be the one to do it.

It's out of context and i'd bet a moment of plot development, not just a passing routine. Either way- her overexposure of doing motherly duties points more one way than the other. Which is a shame because as much as I dislike her, Kishi has done her a disservice.

 

[lndra]

It's out of context and i'd bet a moment of plot development, not just a passing routine. Either way- her overexposure of doing motherly duties points more one way than the other. Which is a shame because as much as I dislike her, Kishi has done her a disservice.

In the Boruto movie she's shown healing someone.

If you guys look at the background of the picture, she seems to be working in a tent. The same tent medical shinobi worked on during the War.

Usually medical nin have coats, and other gear that showcase they are doctors, or specialize in that area. It's most likely the Chunin Exams (or when the Rinnegan users attacked) and Sakura pinched in.

Doesn't look like a hospital, but anyway. That's probably her only scene in the movie :lol

 

[SilverJay]

If you guys look at the background of the picture, she seems to be working in a tent. The same tent medical shinobi worked on during the War.

Usually medical nin have coats, and other gear that showcase they are doctors, or specialize in that area. It's most likely the Chunin Exams (or when the Rinnegan users attacked) and Sakura pinched in.

Doesn't look like a hospital, but anyway. That's probably her only scene in the movie :lol

Hmm you're probably right. It's probably when Naruto was kidnapped and Sakura has to heal the people that were hurt. She wouldn't be dressed properly because she would have been watching the Chuuin Exams.

 

[Complex]

I'm just glad we got to see Kabuto again.

 

[V h o]

I'm just glad it's over :|

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'm just glad it's over :|

Before Chapter 700: I hope Sasuke and Naruto don't die in the Valley Fight

After Chapter 700: I wish Sasuke and Naruto had died in the Valley Fight

:bdpf:

 

[To Whatever]

Right, let's get to work.

#1
There's always an everyday threat in the Narutoverse. This is a world were island sized animals roam in the wild. It's not like Naruto single-handedly stopped all violence. He just kept the world ending threats (The superpowers of the world) at peace with one another. Minor, less developed countries and villages probably still have power stuggles and civil wars here and there which is to be expected.

It doesn't damage the body anymore. The solider pill the Akamichi clan takes in order to induce the butterfly mode unnaturally forces a change. Chōji can enters this mode by converting the calories of his body into chakra. Given his weight it actually slims him down to the size of person his height. You make it seem like butterfly mode makes you anorexic.

Source: "Fourth Databook, page 271"
"There are two methods of entering this mode. The first is through use of the Akimichi's Three Coloured Pills, which aggressively convert all of the user's calories into chakra; if the pills are not regulated properly, the user may die from the rapid weight loss. Practised users are able to convert their calories into chakra on their own through a process known as Calorie Control (カロリーコントロール , Karorī Kontorōru); because they are in complete control of how much of their body weight is turned into chakra, it poses less of a risk to the user."

#2
It isn't unlikely and weak. Shin believed peace made you weak. Obviously the weak are often unable to evolve and deal with new threats. “The weak die out and the strong will survive, and will live on forever” that's more or less what Shin was trying to prove. The akatsuki since it's creation has multiple objectives and meaning so bringing up the point about what the Akatsuki represent is a moot point. Of course it's alluding to the movie. The Gaiden is straight up tying up loose ends for the movie debut.

The link to Itachi was a red herring because it made you pay attention on who the identity of shin really was ("He knows Sasuke and itachi who is he!!?")

#3

The panel you showed he says he has a "Handful of interests now", interest being plural. Sasuke isn't his only interest nor should we believe Orochimaru or the others are actively dedicating their live to watching one person.

This simply means he founds joy in watching sudden winds like Sasuke that come and go rather than focusing on being the single wind to move all windmills.

Not to mention if they were all about Sasuke and his ability to shape the world, why the hell would they concern themselves with who Sasuke has sexual relations with? (aside from Karin).

#4.
Good call, the movie is most likely going to discuss his findings among other things.

#5
Sakura didn't directly punch the house. She accidentally destroyed the foundation under it causing the house to collapse. You need to re-read the gaiden if you didn't get this. Sakura did not subject her daughter to this willingly. The question wasn't awkward it was literally a loaded question fired from Sarada back to back leading to her basically saying "Your relationship is ****ed up". That would piss anyone off given the fact that you've tried your best to raise your daughter in a family environment with the absence of a father who doesn't contact home.

#6
Dude, do you tell a kid who isn't yours that their adopted? or that they aren't? These things are not Shizunes place to tell her at the end of the day. She wasn't pondering her existence, she just wanted answers. No one had the full story expect for Karin, Sasuke, and Sakura.

#7
Sasuke could have easily vouched for him to Naruto there's explained things but this is a pretty easy conclusion to draw.

#8
You do realize Sarada never approached her mom about the picture and left before anything could be explained to her.

"But she should have explained from the beginning". Sarada didn't start thinking about her parents or her dad that heavily until the graduation was coming up. If Sakura saw Sarada that distraught and vulnerable like ow Naruto saw her, she would have cleared the air.

#9
"Gotta save something for the movies"

#10

She had interests in this.

 

[MAN OF SIN]

Dude, do you tell a kid who isn't yours that their adopted? or that they aren't? These things are not Shizunes place to tell her at the end of the day. She wasn't pondering her existence, she just wanted answers. No one had the full story expect for Karin, Sasuke, and Sakura.

Shizune already said that Sakura was her mother. The question was the birth records. So that point is utter moot.

Btw, a birth record is basically time and date of birth, parents, and location. Why can't Shizune tell her she was born outside the village? She is the Hokage's assistant and Sakura's friends, so she should know.