The failure of muslim immigration in Europe

[blueflash234]

So u are just mad at those Muslims because they raped someone which by ur tongue is ur right? are u even thinking about what u r saying? ur soldiers are bombarding Syria, raping innocent wifes and their children just for their fun, does this man all of u are bad? let me give u an example, suppose a class of students, as we all know there are 2 or 3 students in every class who make disturbance, does the teacher considers whole class bad or just the 3 of them? and dude a brotherly advice to u i have seen many Muslims who drink who have ***(which is forbidden in our religion if dont with any other woman instead of our wife) and lots of other things it doesnt mean Muslims are bad, they just dont know what Islam really is, if u r really looking forward to prove that Islam is not the right religion i advise u to read QUR'AN(our Holy Book) but before u touch QUR'AN please make sure u r neat and clean and have performed ablution.

 

[blueflash234]

and u should take a look at ur people to, not all of u r bad people, but many are, it doesnt mean u all r bad

 

[GreyWizard93]

Yeah I don't like them.

 

[Hawker]

So u are just mad at those Muslims because they raped someone which by ur tongue is ur right? are u even thinking about what u r saying? ur soldiers are bombarding Syria, raping innocent wifes and their children just for their fun, does this man all of u are bad? let me give u an example, suppose a class of students, as we all know there are 2 or 3 students in every class who make disturbance, does the teacher considers whole class bad or just the 3 of them? and dude a brotherly advice to u i have seen many Muslims who drink who have ***(which is forbidden in our religion if dont with any other woman instead of our wife) and lots of other things it doesnt mean Muslims are bad, they just dont know what Islam really is, if u r really looking forward to prove that Islam is not the right religion i advise u to read QUR'AN(our Holy Book) but before u touch QUR'AN please make sure u r neat and clean and have performed ablution.

Like I've said a thousand times..muslims are overrepresented in those statistics. I even posted proof of this in my op.



"Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany's central bank, said that "no immigrant group other than Muslims is so strongly connected with claims on the welfare state and crime". "

"individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.
Overall, North Africa and Western Asia were strongly overrepresented in the crime statistics."

"According to a 2011 report by Statistics Norway, in 2009 first,-generation immigrants from Africa were three times more likely than ethnic Norwegians (or rather individuals who are neither first- nor second-generation immigrants) to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4 times more likely to be convicted of a felony than "

"Immigrants from Germany, France and Austria had a significantly lower crime rate than Swiss citizens (60% to 80%), while immigrants from Angola, Nigeria and Algeria had a crime rate of above 600% of that of Swiss population."



Let me put this in simple terms: let's say there are 100 rapes commited yearly in Sweden by native swedes. Now if the muslim population would be the same size as the natives, then muslims would rape 2000 women in the same amount of time.

How big those representation percentages have to be for you to not think it's a general phenomenon amongst all groups?

 

[demon of the leaf]

So u are just mad at those Muslims because they raped someone which by ur tongue is ur right? are u even thinking about what u r saying? ur soldiers are bombarding Syria, raping innocent wifes and their children just for their fun, does this man all of u are bad? let me give u an example, suppose a class of students, as we all know there are 2 or 3 students in every class who make disturbance, does the teacher considers whole class bad or just the 3 of them? and dude a brotherly advice to u i have seen many Muslims who drink who have ***(which is forbidden in our religion if dont with any other woman instead of our wife) and lots of other things it doesnt mean Muslims are bad, they just dont know what Islam really is, if u r really looking forward to prove that Islam is not the right religion i advise u to read QUR'AN(our Holy Book) but before u touch QUR'AN please make sure u r neat and clean and have performed ablution.

These people doing this arent even islamic they are a cult trying to look like islam which the islamic world i believe needs to crack down on and break it before these cultists cause a total war of extermination

 

[Hawker]

These people doing this arent even islamic they are a cult trying to look like islam which the islamic world i believe needs to crack down on and break it before these cultists cause a total war of extermination

So do you think that the religion itself does not have any influence on the culture itself?

 

[demon of the leaf]

So do you think that the religion itself does not have any influence on the culture itself?

It depends on where you live if they are refugees they have to abide by the standing countrys they are seeking refuge in if they are trying to cause changes in laws to abide by their customs to their religion then that should warrant to careful watching and non should be allowed ownership of weapons for obvious reasons since you have no clue who is good and who is bad at this point in time i do believe we need to enforce harsh punishments

 

[blueflash234]

bro the religion does not have any influence on these crimes if u really believe that Islam is the cause of these crimes than i feel sorry for ur mind's state, lets suppose this is one world and there is no religion in it, people are living all over the world, u cant possibly imagine everyone to have the same mentality as ur state's, culture is a different thing and religion is a different thing, if u were born in a rich household its u would be rich right? but if u were born in a poor household its not definite that u would die poor, u could work hard and die as a rich man right? in the same manner different people are born in different society with different moral values, those Muslims u r telling us about are not actually on the standard of a true Muslim and that is not the fault of the religion but the fault of their society, if u r a german u will have german accent if u r a british citizen u will have british accent, i hope u get my point, Islam is true peace just take ur time and read the tales of Muslims which are regarded all over the world, no true Muslim will ever do things like these, the people who do this are so far away from their religion that they do not know what they r doing, it is often shown in movies that people who have dark skin tone are villains but here we have many examples of people who had dark skin tone but the world admires them so the movies aren't the criteria to judge if a race or some people belonging to a particular group are bad r good. I hope u get my point.

 

[Hawker]

bro the religion does not have any influence on these crimes if u really believe that Islam is the cause of these crimes than i feel sorry for ur mind's state, lets suppose this is one world and there is no religion in it, people are living all over the world, u cant possibly imagine everyone to have the same mentality as ur state's, culture is a different thing and religion is a different thing, if u were born in a rich household its u would be rich right? but if u were born in a poor household its not definite that u would die poor, u could work hard and die as a rich man right? in the same manner different people are born in different society with different moral values, those Muslims u r telling us about are not actually on the standard of a true Muslim and that is not the fault of the religion but the fault of their society, if u r a german u will have german accent if u r a british citizen u will have british accent, i hope u get my point, Islam is true peace just take ur time and read the tales of Muslims which are regarded all over the world, no true Muslim will ever do things like these, the people who do this are so far away from their religion that they do not know what they r doing, it is often shown in movies that people who have dark skin tone are villains but here we have many examples of people who had dark skin tone but the world admires them so the movies aren't the criteria to judge if a race or some people belonging to a particular group are bad r good. I hope u get my point.

Blah blah blah. Islam is a law religion. It defines muslim culture even more than christianity does define western culture. Open your eyes man. Connect the dots between sharia law and muslims treating women like dogs in Europe.

 

[blueflash234]

tell me where is it written in Islamic Book that Muslims should treat women as dogs? may i remind u that it is our Holy Prophet( MUHAMMAD SAW) who gave respect to women! before HIS arrival women were buried alive, used as a *** toy, they(women) had no value in the society before Islam, and can u tell me where is it written in Islamic Book that Muslims should treat women as dogs?

dude u r not even sure what u r talking about! we are talking about public here! not personal matters! tell me where is it written to treat women like dogs? it is said in Qur'an that use force against YOUR woman YOUR OWN WIFE if only if she sleeps with someone else which is HARAM in Islam ok? and btw that is a personal matter between Husband and Wife and if a wife is not satisfied by the way his husband treats her it has also given the right of separation to that woman ok? our Prophet MUHAMMAD SAW said: "treat ur wives with affection."
but that is a personal matter we were here talking about the public, can u give me a reference where it is written that Muslims should treat women like dogs? don't Islam wrong when everything wrong is with one persons nature his mentality and his culture! culture and religion are different things, two men with same culture can have different religions and two men with different religions can have different cultures ok? culture is a moral heritage which u acquire from the society u r living in, it is not to be confused with religion, different countries have different culture but different countries dont have Islam version 1 Islam version 2 ok? Islam is 1 and only with definite instructions it does not vary country to country, and the matters of Husband and wife are personal no husband can possibly rape his wife! so leave the personal matters

as u said it urself that is all happening in egypt, so it is a matter of culture not religion! as far as mini skirts and tanks are concerned they are forbidden in Islam for women because of their respect! a boy will tease a girl wearing a mini skirt while no one will pay attention to a Woman or a Girl wearing veil now how does this threatens their repect? it only saves them from humiliation! and if these happenings in egypt are based on Islam then why aren't things like this are happening in other Muslim countries! u r just being stubborn without any legitimate facts for proving Islam wrong, go clear ur own concepts then i will be up for a debate i m in no mood of quarrel with a child without any legitimate facts to prove Islam wrong, u should have understood by now if u had thought over it carefully i wont be replying to u now

u r one of those people who bend the things as they like, Ofcourse Men are a degree above woman but just in respect! women are to respect men, but it doesnt mean that women dont have any respect! women have been placed one degree below in emotional and respect cases because they are drived by emotions but men are not driven by emotions not as much as women which blinds them in case of making a critical decision, moreover everything written in Quran is not literarily taken! everything written in IT has some meaning, the sentence is like a wall u have to dig in it to understand it! u r absolutely taking it on the wrong side u dont even know the reason behind the statements, but its not ur fault u dont have good teachers who can teach u what it means actually, go study a little more before starting something like this of which u have no proof of

 

[Hawker]

u r one of those people who bend the things as they like, Ofcourse Men are a degree above woman but just in respect! women are to respect men, but it doesnt mean that women dont have any respect! women have been placed one degree below in emotional and respect cases because they are drived by emotions but men are not driven by emotions not as much as women which blinds them in case of making a critical decision, moreover everything written in Quran is not literarily taken! everything written in IT has some meaning, the sentence is like a wall u have to dig in it to understand it! u r absolutely taking it on the wrong side u dont even know the reason behind the statements, but its not ur fault u dont have good teachers who can teach u what it means actually, go study a little more before starting something like this of which u have no proof of

Stop blabbering I have no proof. I have provided you plenty of proof and you admitted that women are below men in islamic culture. In western culture we are all equal. So it's not my problem you cannot connect the dots that when a man comes from a culture where they value women as lesser being to a culture where women are equal to man, they are convicted of rape alot more frequently than native europeans.

And it's no just women, muslims are overrepresented in other cime statistics too. They act like apes in foreign country that is taking care of them. That is because the islamic philosophy is the kind where you consider every other person from a different culture as heathens and don't want to learn anything about them. It has been like that from the Golden age of islam. You see yourself as a lordrace. You try to learn something from your own history rather than to try to teach me about it. Lmao. Don't waste my time anymore.

 

[blueflash234]

Islam is not a culture IT is a religion! yes Women are below men in certain cases in Islam but there is a proper reason behind it and i have already told u that! just because ur western culture thinks men and women are equal it doesnt mean that they are right! Islam is the complete code of life there is not fault in it we dont need to look on other religions to help us solve our problems then why should we seek knowledge from other religions? and u r continually mixing the concept of a religion with a culture whereas these two things are vastly different! and ofcourse there are some Muslims which are very away from their religious teachings that they dont know what is right in their religion or what is wrong, and as far as Muslims are concerned in every crime statistic tell me one thing why do u guys blame everything on Muslims in case they r involved while if an american german or sweden is involved u overlook his religion? y dont u guys get the title of ur religion when u guys commit crimes? it is simply because most of the world is against Muslims! so clear ur concepts a bit and dig some more in Islam so u may know what ISLAM actually is

and it doesnt matter to what culture they belong and in which society they have been raise what moral values did their culture gave them and how much they know about Islam? sorry but saying a lie 100 times doesnt make it truth! what u r talking about is a matter of cultural problem not a religious problem! u should study more then we will talk

 

[Hawker]

and it doesnt matter to what culture they belong and in which society they have been raise what moral values did their culture gave them and how much they know about Islam? sorry but saying a lie 100 times doesnt make it truth! what u r talking about is a matter of cultural problem not a religious problem! u should study more then we will talk

This is getting tiresome. Islam defines your culture. Get that through your skull. You can't separate culture and religion that easily when they affect each other. I don't really care what you believe. All I know is that muslims are the problem, and they come from countries in which islam is affecting the culture very strongly.

 

[blueflash234]

u r really stubborn -_- i really tried to make u understand but u r stubborn get some study that might help u bye

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Stop wasting my time. Muslims rape 20 times more than germans or swedes. That's why they stand out.

Rape is punished by the death penalty in Sharia law. Smh...

Sure, Islam has influence on culture. But that culture has deviated from Islam's intentions and teachings by a long shot. Women can't drive in Saudi Arabia. Driving is the equivalent of riding a camel or horse in the prophet's time. The prophet's wife rode them and he had no problem. Saudi Arabia's argument is it "effects the women's body negatively", you'd think that riding a camel or horse would do worse but nope that's okay.

Many Muslim countries forbid women to get an education. The Quran stresses that knowledge and education is important for everyone.

Before, you claimed to be objective and I was believing you a bit, but your bigotry and ignorance is starting to show the more you post.

OT: Western countries have a lot more to do with the state of the Middle East then you think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a conspiracy theorist that blames the west for everything, but they're not exactly looking out for everyone's best interests while in the Middle East.

If the Muslim people stayed in the Middle East, and Islam was a threat to the world like many suggest, isolating Muslims and allowing them to develop (which they would be doing, at least a little more) would logically not be in the best interest of the west, as you could expect more wars then compared to if you have many Muslims becoming westernized (which more than you think are).

Man, the Muslim kids in the streets of Europe aren't even die-hard Muslims, they're thugs. I don't know why you think they do everything they do in the name of Islam.

I will admit that Muslims need a reform though. Muslims, themselves need a reform more than Islam does. A lot of Muslims (not the majority) act like idiots in the eyes of Islam and Western society.

 

[veggetta13]

Hi


I understand your concern however you´re trying to justify that your speech "massive immigration has a deep immediate social-impact" by saying "most immigrants are possible rapists" with which I disagree.

 

[Dark Sonic]

You do know that Koran instrucs you to use violence if your women disobeys or is disrespectful? You do know that Koran was written from the poinf of view of a man?

The translation wasn't accurate. Don't trust Turkish since they are secular.

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Now please reread the sentence above. You will see that the word “beat” has been used three times, conveying totally different meanings each time: a verbal phrase meaning “avoid approaching directly” (“beat around the bush”); a verbal phrase meaning “depart quickly” (“beat a hasty retreat”) and the status of having been defeated (“beaten”). Interestingly, the Arabic verb traditionally translated by male translators as “beat” or “scourge” — iDRiBuhunne – also has numerous different meanings in Arabic, which is reflected by the Quran.

There's links about the supposed "beating of women"

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This one's the best though.

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[Lelouch Vii Britannia]

Judging from your grammar, I'm more educated than you. Begone troll.

Yet your competely ignorant about other peoples religion :lol

Smh you cant even tell the diff between culture and religion, Dumbass

 

[Hawker]

Rape is punished by the death penalty in Sharia law. Smh...

Sure, Islam has influence on culture. But that culture has deviated from Islam's intentions and teachings by a long shot. Women can't drive in Saudi Arabia. Driving is the equivalent of riding a camel or horse in the prophet's time. The prophet's wife rode them and he had no problem. Saudi Arabia's argument is it "effects the women's body negatively", you'd think that riding a camel or horse would do worse but nope that's okay.

Many Muslim countries forbid women to get an education. The Quran stresses that knowledge and education is important for everyone.

Before, you claimed to be objective and I was believing you a bit, but your bigotry and ignorance is starting to show the more you post.

OT: Western countries have a lot more to do with the state of the Middle East then you think. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a conspiracy theorist that blames the west for everything, but they're not exactly looking out for everyone's best interests while in the Middle East.

If the Muslim people stayed in the Middle East, and Islam was a threat to the world like many suggest, isolating Muslims and allowing them to develop (which they would be doing, at least a little more) would logically not be in the best interest of the west, as you could expect more wars then compared to if you have many Muslims becoming westernized (which more than you think are).

Man, the Muslim kids in the streets of Europe aren't even die-hard Muslims, they're thugs. I don't know why you think they do everything they do in the name of Islam.

I will admit that Muslims need a reform though. Muslims, themselves need a reform more than Islam does. A lot of Muslims (not the majority) act like idiots in the eyes of Islam and Western society.

Why do you think muslims waging war in their own country versus them not integrating correctly into western culture would be a bad thing for us? Atleast it wouldn't affect us directly.

Yes I agree that reform is necessary. But no one can make them do that.

Hi


I understand your concern however you´re trying to justify that your speech "massive immigration has a deep immediate social-impact" by saying "most immigrants are possible rapists" with which I disagree.

I'm not saying most immigrants. Maybe I should've phrased it differently, but the social impact of this mass immigration is what's troubling me. Since we don't have a way to separate the good refugees from the bad I find the best way to be stop them all from entering.

The translation wasn't accurate. Don't trust Turkish since they are secular.

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There's links about the supposed "beating of women"

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This one's the best though.

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Your second link is clear enough that it's not just a "supposed" thing. I don't see what's the confusion? Koran in one way or another, encourages on violence against women. Other ones tl;dr.

 

[YowYan]

Yet your competely ignorant about other peoples religion :lol

Smh you cant even tell the diff between culture and religion, Dumbass

I just told you on a previous page that their culture and religion are so intertwined it's not possible to judge separately.