Hey man you got a decent head on your shoulders. Can I ask you why are you so hellbent on blaming all muslims for all these problems? I mean every society has there bad apples. Yet you think they are the only ones who cause all this. Do you honestly believe the word "rape" was created by a muslim? If so than why is it not in arabic?
No we are not saying muslims do all the raping. We are saying muslims do 20-60 times more raping than a native European. Take a look at the statistics I posted. You can read right?
@Bolded: probably because muslims don't even have a word for rape? Do you? For centuries you have treated women like posession so why would you even realize what the consept of rape is.
If u wanna look at failed immigration check out US #1 terrorist state based on colonization. That is how you drasticly change demographics.
I am not saying every immigrant is okay but hey karma is a ***** and the problems will come back to bite you in the ass right? Maybe you Westerns should have a little look in Middle East and Africa then question why their borders look like blade edges. Or maybe question who supported the oppressive regimes in MENA and overthrow them solely for their own interests.
If you think immigration failed, the failure of Western intervention in MENA would be quite entertaining.
This was real thing in Western Europe and USA not so long ago:
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Civilization where? After conditions like these how well developed a group of people can be? Are Westerns still ignoring the so called civilization that is built on the backs of many other civilizations? If you want to complain about Indians in Brittain take a look at Brits in India. People could not enter to certain places in their own countries decades ago, forced to feed British troops around the World while they starved to death of course it will have a regressive impact on society and civilization level.
I kinda get your point but nothing is still justifying the behaviour of these people.
@Bolded: You do realize that the Golden Age of muslims ended not because of colonialism but because muslims wanted to follow the path of Koran literally and let it tell them how to live. Before that they were a nation with alot of scientific discoveries. Their religion destroyed them. Do not blame their lag on progress on western people.
Finnish people have also been opressed for 500 years, first by Swedes and then by Russians for 100 years. Yet take look at the present: we are a modern welfare society that f*cked Russians up.
No we are not saying muslims do all the raping. We are saying muslims do 20-60 times more raping than a native European. Take a look at the statistics I posted. You can read right?
@Bolded: probably because muslims don't even have a word for rape? Do you? For centuries you have treated women like posession so why would you even realize what the consept of rape is.
Then, I will just watch memes here and hope my developing country takes a note.
But just like the corrupted liberalism they could now have corrupted nationalism centered at white supremacism. As much as I have seen in online have spirit grab a pitch fork and burn anything brown. They dont have a good track record with colonizing and Nazi germany.
Just look at this thread. The moment you raise these issues on the table, someone is ready to call you a racist.
I agree it's the right thing to do to help people in need of help, but the EU's immigration system has failed. Muslims take advantage of it and we have lots of people who are just looking for handouts and a place to live on welfare. Also we have no tools which help us to sort out the good muslims from the bad, other than just sending them home after the damage has already been done.
It is same everywhere the idea of tolerance,secularism misinterpreted.
Helping others at the expense of its own citizens even when they are not close allies or culturally related is something no one will do.
Their own interests and beliefs were safe so they were busy with self satisfaction. Europe- "We may have looted them all and captured their land but now we are better person".
One would think they would take a tip or two from the history of the Indian sub continent.. It's easy to make high claims of equality and secularism till you don't really have to deal with mixed culture and put up with religious imperialism against nationalism.
It is a different thing they used lecturing others of human rights as foreign and diplomatic policy but now they are being exploited. Next thing they will come up with something worse than what happened to them to others.
The general muslim will condemn their children's actions but the way they raise their youth is the real problem here. Those kids are thoroughly indoctrinated with a sense of pride and duty. The youth often glorifies criminal acts as if its some form of achievement and status. I met tons of these type of people just in my city alone. It's a nationally accepted issue also. That's why we have Geert Wilders.
My Turkish best pal of 15 years..He never ever mentions his faith but if I even question or ridicule certain aspects of it he turns aggressive enough for him to threaten me.
Not that I see that much difference with other religions but they are less aggressive by nature.
Rape cases in Europe is extremely high.
In Finland, 47% of women are physically abused and raped.
Your country has population of 5.439 million.if we assume that women represents half of the population of Finland then their amount will be 2.7195 million.
Out of 2.7195 million, 1.278165 million of women get raped or physically abused in your country which is very high.
Out of 1.278165 million, ONLY 8 women get raped by refugees which is quite minimal number.you are crticisizing those rapists who raped 8 women but you don't like to criticize rapists of other victimized women just because they are Christians.
I am not supporting those rapist bastards.my point is that your media can only cover the Muslim rapists b?cause they like to report selectively.
your fellow countries invaded their country and their country has become a shitty land.they can't live their because of the actions of USA and European countries
What are you talking about? Where did you come up with that number 8? If it's from my OP then it's the number of rapes from the last TWO WEEKS done by refugees. You can't compare that number to yearly numbers. And yes there is also native rape numbers presented.
I already posted a picture of chart of this in my op. "According to official statistics, 27.0% of rapes have been committed by foreigners in Finland. Foreigners comprise 2.2% of the population."
So according to that chart Afghaneese rape 21 times more than a native. With Nigerians that number is 35 and with Tunisians it's 67.
=muslims rape more in relation to what the number of their population is.
Well, we got plenty of illegals now. Lets see Europe go down the drain at a fast rate.
The general muslim will condemn their children's actions but the way they raise their youth is the real problem here. Those kids are thoroughly indoctrinated with a sense of pride and duty. The youth often glorifies criminal acts as if its some form of achievement and status. I met tons of these type of people just in my city alone. It's a nationally accepted issue also. That's why we have Geert Wilders.
My Turkish best pal of 15 years..He never ever mentions his faith but if I even question or ridicule certain aspects of it he turns aggressive enough for him to threaten me.
Not that I see that much difference with other religions but they are less aggressive by nature.
I won't sit here defending every muslim because that is not my job really. I am very well aware of some muslims who have a extreamist beliefs which I do not agree with. I see many of them around walking down as if they are some chosen ones.
But my best advice to you is to research the religion instead of its people. Because the vision people may give you is not the best one that repersents this religion the correct way. I myself am sick of these hypocrites who think they are following the right path. Lecturing others on how life should be when they go off doing half the sins they say to not do. Its just how this religion is. Some take it to the extreame while some stay balanced and reasonable.
I won't sit here defending every muslim because that is not my job really. I am very well aware of some muslims who have a extreamist beliefs which I do not agree with. I see many of them around walking down as if they are some chosen ones.
But my best advice to you is to research the religion instead of its people. Because the vision people may give you is not the best one that repersents this religion the correct way. I myself am sick of these hypocrites who think they are following the right path. Lecturing others on how life should be when they go off doing half the sins they say to not do. Its just how this religion is. Some take it to the extreame while some stay balanced and reasonable.
I won't sit here defending every muslim because that is not my job really. I am very well aware of some muslims who have a extreamist beliefs which I do not agree with. I see many of them around walking down as if they are some chosen ones.
But my best advice to you is to research the religion instead of its people. Because the vision people may give you is not the best one that repersents this religion the correct way. I myself am sick of these hypocrites who think they are following the right path. Lecturing others on how life should be when they go off doing half the sins they say to not do. Its just how this religion is. Some take it to the extreame while some stay balanced and reasonable.
I know for a fact that the very core of every religious script promotes a state of being that in every sense of the words; promotes love and lawless unification. Too bad religion has become a tool of stupification and centralizing power and expansion of it.
The real problem is people that IDENTIFY themselves with these religious scripts. That's the first and foremost failure.
If the person is not hurting the society than there is no need for it.
Now you are asking the wrong muslim about the Burka part. Cause I don't care if a women wears one or not. I am a firm believer in giving people a chioce on what they wanna do. I dislike fake people who do it to get other's attention.
I know for a fact that the very core of every religious script promotes a state of being that in every sense of the words; promotes love and lawless unification. Too bad religion has become a tool of stupification and centralizing power and expansion of it.
The real problem is people that IDENTIFY themselves with these religious scripts. That's the first and foremost failure.
Thats actually my problem with the muslim people as well. Unlike you I have to deal with em everyday. That is why I won't sit here defending every muslim. Rather they are muslim or not is not my problem. Its when people blame the whole religion over the actions of the few is my problem.
If the person is not hurting the society than there is no need for it.
Now you are asking the wrong muslim about the Burka part. Cause I don't care if a women wears one or not. I am a firm believer in giving people a chioce on what they wanna do. I dislike fake people who do it to get other's attention.
Didnt think nb could be this retarded, Fun fact did you know lee rigby was faked
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These people would've not came to your countries if you didnt attack them. You stole their oil resources every single thing they had where do you expect them to go? f-ck yu hawker die.
"Hours after the death of the soldier, 25, a Muslim student group at London Metropolitan University (LMU) circulated a YouTube film arguing the crime was manufactured using 'fake blood'.
The six minute video called 'Woolwich false flag b*******. Masses are in a state-sponsored trance', has been viewed by 300,000 people, and says that Scotland Yard detectives investigating the murder were Freemasons who were in on an anti-Muslim conspiracy.
The film even claims that traumatised witnesses were in on a hoax, taunting those who tried to comfort Drummer Rigby as he lay dying by saying: 'These women look very traumatised lol (laugh out loud).'"
Lmao are you kidding me xD
Did Finland or anyone of the countries mentioned in the OP attack Syria? No but they gladly take our food and shelters. Get a grip.
"Hours after the death of the soldier, 25, a Muslim student group at London Metropolitan University (LMU) circulated a YouTube film arguing the crime was manufactured using 'fake blood'.
The six minute video called 'Woolwich false flag b*******. Masses are in a state-sponsored trance', has been viewed by 300,000 people, and says that Scotland Yard detectives investigating the murder were Freemasons who were in on an anti-Muslim conspiracy.
The film even claims that traumatised witnesses were in on a hoax, taunting those who tried to comfort Drummer Rigby as he lay dying by saying: 'These women look very traumatised lol (laugh out loud).'"
Lmao are you kidding me xD
Did Finland or anyone of the countries mentioned in the OP attack Syria? No but they gladly take our food and shelters. Get a grip.
is it your life goals to hate muslims? Do it some where else and not in a forum site you are cancer. What do you expect when western countries destroyed your home? You truly are a waste may i ask how old are you?
is it your life goals to hate muslims? Do it some where else and not in a forum site you are cancer. What do you expect when western countries destroyed your home? You truly are a waste may i ask how old are you?
You can blame western countries all you want but the fact is muslims have been fighting like savages for decades, even before US intervened. Now you bring that culture with you into Europe.
Why is it so hard to act like humans in the countries that took you in as refugees? You act like apes and you get guys like me laying out the facts for you. Too bad you don't like it.
How come muslim youth were/are the most aggressive citizens in my country? ._.
The real terrorists are western governments, obviously, but muslims produce more problematic, aggressive individuals than other people over here.
This thread is about the failure of multiculturalism and the problems with muslim migrates from an objective point of view.
As the immigration flow from Syria, Iraq, Somalia and other muslim countries has increased in the past year following the conflicts in Middle-East so has the negative side effects of this immigration. Violence crimes and rapes have increased as muslims all over the Europe are overpresented in each of those statistics.
My country Finland has been receiving 15 000 immigrants this year (our whole population is about 5 million) and the number has estimated to be increased to 30 000 for this year. Most (over 90%) of immigrants are young adult males of ages 18-35 and they are mainly from Iraq. In the past two weeks there have been 8 rapes reported done by immigrants. These young iraqi males are harassing young random girls and asking them to come for the night with them and when they decline they call them whores.
Just last weekend a young 18-year old girl was walking home at night from a party when a young immigrant male attacked her in the park and raped her. After the crime he asked for the gril to be his facebook friend??!
The latest incident didn't even involve a women, and not even a human but a cat! Immigrants found a homecat outside their asylum and they took it inside and took a video of another immigrant streching it's limbs and porking it's genitals Iäm not going to post the video here, but here's a photo:
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I am so sick of this. Europe is not going to be able to handle this mass immigration for much longer and with the increase in crime rate this is a huge problem. Yet some of you still belittle this.
So I wanted to make this thread and show you all why islam culture doesn't adjust to western societies. Why multiculturalims has failed. Muslims think western womens are lowly individuals, whores. They do not respect our laws. They do not respect natives. I will prove this statement with the official reports and statistics of each nation:
Britain:
-In 2013 Muslims made up 13.1% of the prison population but just 4% of the general population meaning that they are 3.3 times more likely to be incarcerated than a member of the general population.
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-There are almost three million muslims in Britain (4,8% of the whole population) and they alongside with other non-EU-migrants cost britain 120 billion pounds when european immigrants contributed 5 billion pounds.
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Sweden
-"A report studying 4.4 million Swedes between the ages of 15 and 51 during the period 1997-2001 found that 25% of crimes were committed by foreign-born individuals while and additional 20% were committed by individuals born to foreign-born parents. In particular, immigrants from Africa and Southern and Western Asian were more likely to be charged of a crime than individuals born to two Swedish parents by a factor of 4.5 and 3.5 respectively.
-Findings from a previous study published by the Swedish government in 1996 determined that between 1985 and 1989 individuals born in Iraq, North Africa (Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia), and Africa (excluding Uganda and the North African countries) were convicted of rape at rates 20, 23, and 17 greater than individuals born in Sweden respectively.
Overall, North Africa and Western Asia were strongly overrepresented in the crime statistics."
Germany:
-Merkel says German multicultural society has failed:
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- Thilo Sarrazin, a senior official at Germany's central bank, said that "no immigrant group other than Muslims is so strongly connected with claims on the welfare state and crime".
-Immigrants in Germany are overrepresented in crime statistics. In Berlin, young male immigrants are three times more likely to commit violent crimes than their German peers.[17] The crime rate of immigrants is at first glimpse about 5 times higher than that for Germans
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France:
-"A 2006 study found that the share of immigrants has a positive and significant impact on the crime rate, confirming that a larger share of immigrants is associated with a higher crime rate. There are 4,7 million muslims in France (7,5% of the whole population)"
Denmark:
-individuals whose ethnic background is from Morocco, Somalia, Lebanon, Pakistan and Iraq are still overrepresented as convicted criminals by a factor of 1.5 to 2.5
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Finland:
-According to official statistics, 27.0% of rapes have been committed by foreigners in Finland. Foreigners comprise 2.2% of the population. Most rapes in relation to their numbers are done by muslims as you can see from below.
-Here's a chart of rape crimes in Finland in the year 2013 done by ethnicities. The first colum is for the ethnicity. The second is the number of rapes altogether. The third column is the population of that ethnicity in our country. The last colum (circled numbers) are the factor numbers as a ratio to finnish natives. The factor for finnish natives is 1. So for example Tunisians rape 67 times more than natives!
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Netherlands:
"-Nonwhite Dutch youths are arrested by police and are convicted of a serious crime more often than their White Dutch compatriots. More than half of Moroccan-Dutch youths aged 18 to 24 years in Rotterdam have been investigated by police.
- According to a 2009 study commissioned by Justice Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin, of 447 criminal files, 63% teenagers convicted of serious crime are children of parents born outside the Netherlands.
The ethnic composition of the files in the study was: "White Dutch" - 37%; Moroccans - 14%; Unknown origin - 14%; "other non-Westerners" - 9%; Turkish - 8%; Surinamese - 7%; Antillean - 7%; and "other Westerners" - 4%"
Switzerland:
-"In Switzerland, 69.7% of prison population did not have Swiss citizenship, compared to 22.1% of total resident population (as of 2008).
-Immigrants from Germany, France and Austria had a significantly lower crime rate than Swiss citizens (60% to 80%), while immigrants from Angola, Nigeria and Algeria had a crime rate of above 600% of that of Swiss population."
Norway:
-"According to a 2011 report by Statistics Norway, in 2009 first,-generation immigrants from Africa were three times more likely than ethnic Norwegians (or rather individuals who are neither first- nor second-generation immigrants) to be convicted of a felony while Somali immigrants in particular being 4.4 times more likely to be convicted of a felony than an ethnic Norwegian was. Similarly, Iraqis and Pakistanis were found to have rates of conviction for felonies greater than ethnic Norwegians by a factor of 3 and 2.6 respectively."
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-Immigrants are also overrepresented in sexual crime statistics. In a news report in 2010, a spokesperson for the Oslo Police Department stated that every case of assault rapes in Oslo in the years 2007, 2008 and 2009 was committed by a non-Western immigrant.
In conclusion
From the kindness of our heart we offer a place to live for these migrants and this is how they pay us? You'd think that the overpresentation in crime statistics from their fellow muslims would change the attitudes of innocent muslims overall as to more humble. Well guess again!
Almost half of the muslim population in Britain wants the most barbaric law of our time: the sharia law to be enforced on brits:
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1/3 of british muslim students thinks that killing in the name of religion is ok:
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Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
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NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
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We in Finland have streched to our limits by giving them temporary places to stay but still there are incidents where these immigrants dare to complain about their meals. Can you actually believe that they are demonstrating in fron of the police stations and asylums that they are being treated poorly?! Treated poorly by a country that loses 1 billion dollars for immigration expenses in a year. By a country whose volunteer workers provide you with food which would satisfy our conscript soldiers in the woods, but no not you who are obviously escaping from the atrocities of war:
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42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
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I must emphasize: these are official statistics, polls and researches.
We are in trouble! If you criticize immigration policy the muslims accuse you of racism! All of this is real and if something isn't done I'm afraid more conflicts and terror attacks may break out. Do you think Europe should close it's borders? What are your experiences of immigrants?
Great thread, I love the effort you put into it. These are facts and cannot be debated. However, what is the answer? They're escaping from their war-torn countries but who is causing this havoc in the middle east? Mainly the US. They're at the heart of this problem and need to be stopped immediately. Europe also need to close its borders, why not just make it a law to deport all immigrants who commit crimes? It's really that simple, they will understand that if they want to stay they will have to respect the country that they're in.
