The Europeans never "stole" America

[BrillyMac]

The difference between the policy of Native American removal and those you listed is that it was around 180 years ago, and it existed well into the late 19th century. It was particularly interesting because the US held itself to a different standard from the rest of the world, in that its citizens were putting the social contract theory into effect, but that standard of "life, liberty, happiness, and property" did not exist for blacks, and it didn't exist for Native Americans unless they agreed to move from their lands or assimilate.

You're under the wrong impression, though. Like Blaze said, we're not subject to what happened in the past. The thing is, you made a claim that's proven wrong by historical consensus, and I corrected you. The fact is we did force Natives from their land and we did commit genocide.

If you're talking about US history, then you totally missed the entire ****ing point of it. It's not to make you feel guilty, it's to teach you what actually happened. They wouldn't put Native American genocide or slavery in text books of it didn't happen. US history is filled with white people who did bad shit. People do bad shit. Who ****ing knew? God, you're ridiculous.

You're wasting your time arguing with him. He thinks his ideas are absolute

 

[BlazeRelease]

The victims aren't generations gone, they're still here. They're currently being persecuted by the government. Just because time flew by doesn't mean it's over and everyone should just forget about it. That's not how life works. Only the people afraid of the consequences say forget about it. Time does not heal scars and it does not heal all wounds. The indigenous people are still suffering because of the continued persecution of them

I didn't say that the victims are gone. Just that we aren't responsible for them.

However i also said it'd be better if we did help them. All types of people are still being persecuted; natives, various religions, gays, etc. we should still continue to help those people, and heal the scars of the past. That much is true.

I simply meant that the current generation isn't accountable. Of course, if we are to pretend to be decent brings at all, we should help fellow humans and save them from persecution.

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

White men DID steal American soil, and commuted genocide, then established religion etc.

But today's whites people owe them nothing, because we are new people. We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions.

Likewise, today's natives aren't entitled to their "sacred land", they never had land. Their ancestors did.

Of course, we can be nice and give them reservations, or whatever, but we don't HAVE to.

As long as people treat each other fairly and with respect, that's all that's important today.

"We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions"? Then you won't mind leaving this world if asked nicely? You know considering y'all destroy everything thing you can't comprehend. Me personally I like it when you people act as though you are not to make amends for the sons of your predecessors sons against the nature of this world because it's going make BEATING THE SH1T OUTTA OF YOU THAT MUCH SWEETER AND FUN JUST HOW MY ANCESTORS LIKE IT

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Slimreaper so Native americans never used 3% of the land? Land laws and treaties were never set in place for boundaries? Canada under british rule wrecked america watch the video all the information on land natives had ,treaties, and background on 1812 is in it.

[video=youtube;M-bC2TWTGyQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-bC2TWTGyQ[/video]

If these laws you claiming never existed what is this? No boundaries on snatching land huh?

The Treaty of Ghent (8 Stat. 218), signed on December 24, 1814

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"The current structure of america is most definitely out to get white people."

So minorities are a treat to whitemerica?

 

[Fresco]

"We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions"? Then you won't mind leaving this world if asked nicely? You know considering y'all destroy everything thing you can't comprehend. Me personally I like it when you people act as though you are not to make amends for the sons of your predecessors sons against the nature of this world because it's going make BEATING THE SH1T OUTTA OF YOU THAT MUCH SWEETER AND FUN JUST HOW MY ANCESTORS LIKE IT

Okay, bud. The fact is everyone has natural rights, and those rights are not subject to the actions of our ancestors. It's very tribalistic and primitive to hold someone accountable for something that happened centuries before they were conceived.

 

[Multiply]

You are blinded by self entitlement my dear troubled racist friend.

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

"We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions"? Then you won't mind leaving this world if asked nicely? You know considering y'all destroy everything thing you can't comprehend. Me personally I like it when you people act as though you are not to make amends for the sons of your predecessors sons against the nature of this world because it's going make BEATING THE SH1T OUTTA OF YOU THAT MUCH SWEETER AND FUN JUST HOW MY ANCESTORS LIKE IT

If something happens years ago i don't think it's cool to hold on to that grudge, but if the teaching of corrupt and unfair treatment continues i can understand don't fall for the bait.

 

[BrillyMac]

"We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions"? Then you won't mind leaving this world if asked nicely? You know considering y'all destroy everything thing you can't comprehend. Me personally I like it when you people act as though you are not to make amends for the sons of your predecessors sons against the nature of this world because it's going make BEATING THE SH1T OUTTA OF YOU THAT MUCH SWEETER AND FUN JUST HOW MY ANCESTORS LIKE IT

You're indigenous? I have indigenous in me too. Don't pay attention to him. He deludes himself into thinking everything in the world should be white and white only. He believes in white everything
Edit: I was talking about slim reaper

 

[deadp00l]

Lol nobody is out to get you for what your ancestors may have done, but to white wash the history is quite a retarded thing to do

 

[BrillyMac]

Lol nobody is out to get you for what your ancestors may have done, but to white wash the history is quite a retarded thing to do

I think slim might have PTSD from the war

 

[Avani]

I use the term Indian btw because the "Native" Americans are actually native to asia. America has only the natives who were born here.[/B] .

So you assert two supposed facts in that quote:

1)"Native" Americans are actually native to Asia.
2)America has only the natives who were born here.

So I suppose it's logical deduction from your statements that those supposed native-americans-whom-you-call-Indians are not born in this "America".

Exactly where these "Indians" are born? Do these Native-americans-whom-you-call-indian migrate to Asia to be born and then after the baby is born , move back to America?

Is this "migration" yearly? Monthly? Weekly? Seasonal? As in they fly to Asia in say winters and go back after mating season? How does it work? Do they leave their eggs behind? Or they migrate only when delivery date is due so that their babies are born in Asia?

How long they have been going through this exercise? What was the last time they migrated? In which years their first migration was recorded?

I would reply your rest of post but I kind of got fascinated with this amazing info you just provided us.

PS: Please let us also know when these Europeans started to get borned in this America.

PPS: Some scientists claim they found oldest fossil in some place on that continent and want us to believe they might have been native to that place. So, is it accurate to say that all the types of Homo Sapiens are "native" to Africa?

 

[BLAZE]

slimreaper is like LB/KH of GD section :lol

 

[Ciao]

them injins had it comin if u ask me mhm

 

[SolarSpider]

Initially the settlers didn't do anything wrong, they asked for permission to use the land and they were given permission from the "head" clans in the Americas. However, after our war with the French over land, and some of the Indian's siding with the French, we choose to take things over.

We did in fact take lands by force, no we weren't the original aggressors but we didn't do anything to help the situation.

This isn't the first time in history that land was taken by force.

We owe nothing to anyone.

 

[Avani]

Initially the settlers didn't do anything wrong, they asked for permission to use the land and they were given permission from the "head" clans in the Americas. However, after our war with the French over land, and some of the Indian's siding with the French, we choose to take things over.

We did in fact take lands by force, no we weren't the original aggressors but we didn't do anything to help the situation.

This isn't the first time in history that land was taken by force.

We owe nothing to anyone.

Neither did Genghis Khan. Yet he is still more remembered for his violence than anything else. Hitler can take the same plea for his invasion on other countries as well as for treating certain section in how own badly.

Or how man made famine due to East India policy claimed 10 million lives in Bengal. And again 1 to 4 Million ( accounts varry) died again in another famine in 43- this time sheer negligence and apathy of Winston Churchill and Britain towards brown skinned. He literally said he would rather send food to sturdy Greeks than the people dying due to Famine in Bengal and refused the help from Australia and America for the famished people there whom he called "beastly people following a beastly religion". The book which published photographs of famine- was banned and all copies burned. Just a single copy was saved somehow by the author's own family.

History is history and people are going to have something to say about how you got where you are.

 

[BrillyMac]

Neither did Genghis Khan. Yet he is still more remembered for his violence than anything else. Hitler can take the same plea for his invasion on other countries as well as for treating certain section in how own badly.

Or how man made famine due to East India policy claimed 10 million lives in Bengal. And again 1 to 4 Million ( accounts varry) died again in another famine in 43- this time sheer negligence and apathy of Winston Churchill and Britain towards brown skinned. He literally said he would rather send food to sturdy Greeks than the people dying due to Famine in Bengal and literally refused the help from Australia and America for the famished people there whom he called "beastly people following a beastly religion".

History is history and people are going to have something to say about how you got where you are.

I like you. You know your stuff. Also, whatever the foundation of a country is m, is how it will be and how it will end. America was founded on war. Just like Rome. Rome and America are very alike. And Rome fell how America might fall because they're built the same way. But war is a usual practice of America.

 

[BlazeRelease]

"We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions"? Then you won't mind leaving this world if asked nicely? You know considering y'all destroy everything thing you can't comprehend. Me personally I like it when you people act as though you are not to make amends for the sons of your predecessors sons against the nature of this world because it's going make BEATING THE SH1T OUTTA OF YOU THAT MUCH SWEETER AND FUN JUST HOW MY ANCESTORS LIKE IT

Excuse me I'm not the priveleged jackass you think I am.

Nobody owes anybody shit, but I'm the type of person who'd rather help mend the wounds of the past even though it's not my fault.

It's just not fair to hold modern white accountable, except for the ones who are still racist or mistreating others.

And no I'm not leaving because you don't like my skin color. Newsflash, natives aren't natives. They migrated from Asia. How about all humans get the **** out because animals are native? Doesn't make much sense does it?

And by the way, it's clear you've got a lot of hates for white people. I believe that's called racism.

And one last thing; no, not all white people destroy what they can't comprehend. That would be more along the lines of religious extremists like radical Christians and Muslims, not me. Again, I'm not the ignorant privileged white man you think I am. Hell, I grew up homeless, so what home do you want from me?

Oh and since your so worried about my sons sons sons, and how they'll affect the world bring white, it's probably comforting to know I'm gay huh? No kids!

 

[SolarSpider]

History is history and people are going to have something to say about how you got where you are.

The only line you needed to get your point across.

Excuse me I'm not the priveleged jackass you think I am.

Nobody owes anybody shit, but I'm the type of person who'd rather help mend the wounds of the past even though it's not my fault.

It's just not fair to hold modern white accountable, except for the ones who are still racist or mistreating others.

And no I'm not leaving because you don't like my skin color. Newsflash, natives aren't natives. They migrated from Asia. How about all humans get the **** out because animals are native? Doesn't make much sense does it?

And by the way, it's clear you've got a lot of hates for white people. I believe that's called racism.

And one last thing; no, not all white people destroy what they can't comprehend. That would be more along the lines of religious extremists like radical Christians and Muslims, not me. Again, I'm not the ignorant privileged white man you think I am. Hell, I grew up homeless, so what home do you want from me?

Oh and since your so worried about my sons sons sons, and how they'll affect the world bring white, it's probably comforting to know I'm gay huh? No kids!

Most people don't understand that you CAN be racist towards white people, which has become pretty much every race against us.

White people can be intolerant, just like black people and Asians alike. In fact I have witnessed more racism from black people, than I have ever used to attack someone.

No I don't think black people are more racist, because I have a brain and realize every individual is different.

 

[Avani]

The only line you needed to get your point across.

Well when you say you do not owe anything to anyone because that's the way of the world, a reminder was necessary. I don't owe you anything to spare you with over explanation.

I find this "no one is real native so our action were just and right" argument funny, seeing the atrocities of colonial era and European pride for those actions while preaching human rights to everyone else.

This " nobody" is really native so our cheap and underhanded tactics to snatch the land was fair , argument is really lame. When you arrived there - those were the natives since one doesn't excuse another. You don't owe them anything. But no one owes you any praise or neutrality even for that tactics either. You might think of those ideas clever while the other side will call it underhanded.

 

[SolarSpider]

Well when you say you do not owe anything to anyone because that's the way of the world it then a reminder was necessary. I don't owe you anything to spare you with over explanation.

So because other races have done things wrong, that's some how connected to all races? That just goes to prove my point even more. Thank you.