The Europeans never "stole" America

[BrillyMac]

That's incorrect. Today that would be wrong, but that's because we've set up laws preventing it. Why aren't the Romans viewed as if what the did happened under today's laws?

It's not wrong to come to a vast place in which only 3% of the land is being used and claim it.

The world is out to get white folks. I'm racist just as every person on this planet truly is. The difference is I know it. You and others can say you aren't and even truly believe it but it's proven in your subconscious

You were in the military no?

 

[slimreaper]

You're wasting Your time trying to explain this to him. The fact that he believes it wasn't stolen is enough to say that he can't be convinced it was. You literally have to force yourself to believe it wasn't stolen.

Anyone who has every won anything in war should be obligated to give it back to them then. Right?

 

[UchiGod Itachi]

Native Indians land stretched far how could they have not occupied more than 3% of american land? If Christopher Columbus boat landed in Cuba encountering Native Indians image how many lived across the land? Scattered along North Pole,Alaska,Canada,America,Caribbean Islands,Central America,South America, &South Pole. The Europeans gave more than 70 million Native Indians the Masels most of in biological warfare that the Europeans were known for how do you think the black plaque started ?

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[UchiGod Itachi]

Anyone who has every won anything in war should be obligated to give it back to them then. Right?

Wait hold up didn't the Canada give america their land back after losing the war of 1812?

 

[slimreaper]

Wait hold up didn't the Canada give america their land back after losing the war of 1812?

Canada being English backed. And it was a draw.

But even if they did win, I would have supported them keeping the spoils

 

[BrillyMac]

Anyone who has every won anything in war should be obligated to give it back to them then. Right?

War? They shook their right hand and carried a sword with their left hand behind their back. That was of course a symbolic phrase. And while shaking hands with their right hands, they gave them disease too. It was a too speared sword designed to work on two fronts. It was deception and murder. You're using deceptive intelligence by calling it war. I know would like to believe thsi country is all patriot and everything but that's not the case. It's founded on the genocide of the Indians and the enslavement of black people

 

[BrillyMac]

White men DID steal American soil, and commuted genocide, then established religion etc.

But today's whites people owe them nothing, because we are new people. We aren't accountable for our ancestors actions.

Likewise, today's natives aren't entitled to their "sacred land", they never had land. Their ancestors did.

Of course, we can be nice and give them reservations, or whatever, but we don't HAVE to.

As long as people treat each other fairly and with respect, that's all that's important today.

That's not Justice. If you do a wrong, that wrong should be fixed. When your parents die, don't you have to finish paying the bills they didn't pay? America has given the indigenous people a slap in the face by committing genocide on them, kicking a lot of them to Mexico, had the nerve to call them illegal even though the founding fathers are from Europe, and then slaps them some more in the face by giving them land that equates to little to nothing. And then, the government has the nerve to want that land back and try to kick people off of reservations. It's evil. Everybody doesn't have to pay but the government sure does have to pay.

 

[slimreaper]

If you feel bad give up all your possessions.

As for the whole small pox thing.

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We fought them in numerous battles ( just google the name Custer). They lost, we won.

While you're googling shit look up the barbary slave trade.

 

[Fresco]

Wow, this is wrong in almost every sense of the word. Literally, factually, historically, etc..

The US' policy of Indian removal started out with Calhoun's plan back in 1825, which consisted of freeing up Native American lands and having them move west of the Mississippi River. The plan fizzled out during Adam's administration, but Jackson was able to carry out the policy in full effect. Five of the largest tribes in the south were forcibly removed to the west if they did not agree to negotiations, and this is commonly known as the trail of tears (holy shit this is something we learn in high school history). The Choctaws, for example, were rounded up into wagons and transported, and the ones who stayed and tried to assimilate were harassed and died of disease. As for the trail, thousands died walking it. The Seminoles, and others, resisted relocation, and this caused most of the Seminole population to be killed (this was the second Seminole war). This Indian removal policy was literally known as the Indian Removal Act.

This was just the US, though. There are many recorded instances of the Spanish and French removing natives from their land during the colonial period, as well. I hate I had to even bring this up, because Native American genocide is one of the most important things emphasized in U.S. History I

But enough of that. You're delusional, slim. No one is out to get white people, so quit with the persecution-complex.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Can't you just admit that yes, white people did bad things, but so did every other race. Instead of try to deny it?

 

[BlazeRelease]

That's incorrect. Today that would be wrong, but that's because we've set up laws preventing it. Why aren't the Romans viewed as if what the did happened under today's laws?

It's not wrong to come to a vast place in which only 3% of the land is being used and claim it.

The world is out to get white folks. I'm racist just as every person on this planet truly is. The difference is I know it. You and others can say you aren't and even truly believe it but it's proven in your subconscious

If I was racist my boyfriend wouldn't be half whit half black.

If I was racist I wouldn't even condone the existence of a black/white person. But I'm with one.

And yet I'm racist?

 

[BlazeRelease]

That's not Justice. If you do a wrong, that wrong should be fixed. When your parents die, don't you have to finish paying the bills they didn't pay? America has given the indigenous people a slap in the face by committing genocide on them, kicking a lot of them to Mexico, had the nerve to call them illegal even though the founding fathers are from Europe, and then slaps them some more in the face by giving them land that equates to little to nothing. And then, the government has the nerve to want that land back and try to kick people off of reservations. It's evil. Everybody doesn't have to pay but the government sure does have to pay.

We, a new generation of humans, do not owe the other humans of this generation anything due to what our ancestors did to their ancestors.

Their is no justice for the dead. They are dead. And even if there was, the living new generation who had nothing to do with the past are NOT accountable in any sense for what they did.

And, no, you don't pay you parents bills, unless your continuing to live in the same house, or are finishing buying something they never paid off. Which is entirely optional.

 

[slimreaper]

Wow, this is wrong in almost every sense of the word. Literally, factually, historically, etc..

The US' policy of Indian removal started out with Calhoun's plan back in 1825, which consisted of freeing up Native American lands and having them move west of the Mississippi River. The plan fizzled out during Adam's administration, but Jackson was able to carry out the policy in full effect. Five of the largest tribes in the south were forcibly removed to the west if they did not agree to negotiations, and this is commonly known as the trail of tears (holy shit this is something we learn in high school history). The Choctaws, for example, were rounded up into wagons and transported, and the ones who stayed and tried to assimilate were harassed and died of disease. As for the trail, thousands died walking it. The Seminoles, and others, resisted relocation, and this caused most of the Seminole population to be killed (this was the second Seminole war). This Indian removal policy was literally known as the Indian Removal Act.

This was just the US, though. There are many recorded instances of the Spanish and French removing natives from their land during the colonial period, as well. I hate I had to even bring this up, because Native American genocide is one of the most important things emphasized in U.S. History I

But enough of that. You're delusional, slim. No one is out to get white people, so quit with the persecution-complex.

The current structure of america is most definitely out to get white people.

I know all of what you said. The difference is you are analyzing what happened under today's laws and that simply isn't how the world was back then.

Why aren't we taught that rome was evil for conquering the world? What about Alexander the Great? What about when the Chinese ruled the world? Why are they never treated like thieves? Why? America was no different in it's founding than any of those nations yet somehow we're thieves? Nah we won they lost. If an Indian knocked on your door and said "you're on my land" would you give it back to him? If not you're being hypocritical.

If you don't believe in white persecution... I challenge you to name one evil black from your history class. We know all about MLK, Harriet Tubman, Alexander Graham bell etc. Give me one evil black. I can list plenty of evil white folks intended to make me feel guilty

 

[BrillyMac]

We, a new generation of humans, do not owe the other humans of this generation anything due to what our ancestors did to their ancestors.

Their is no justice for the dead. They are dead. And even if there was, the living new generation who had nothing to do with the past are NOT accountable in any sense for what they did.

And, no, you don't pay you parents bills, unless your continuing to live in the same house, or are finishing buying something they never paid off. Which is entirely optional.

There you have it. They continued to live in the same house, so they should pay the pills. If somebody stole your dads house that he was going to give to you and killed him, would that change that the house is rightfully yours? No it wouldn't

 

[Venomous Cobra]

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Nah

I read the entire thing, it's pure humor.:lol

International law did not exist at that point in time, only the law of nation, which was basically just a mere philosophy that hardly anyone took seriously Columbus snailed to america at around 1492, and the international law only existed since the 19th century aka 1 January 1801 – 31 December 1900, those tribes never knew about such stuff as the law of nation, and thus could never have claimed their land, that however didn't make it the land of no one smh:lol in 1830 the Removal Act had already begun even though the law was there for like 29 years or so(which is pretty short by their standard).


you gotta be trolling or some shit

 

[slimreaper]

I read the entire thing, it's pure humor.:lol

International law did not exist at that point in time, only the law of nation, which was basically just a mere philosophy that hardly anyone took seriously Columbus snailed to america at around 1492, and the international law only existed since the 19th century aka 1 January 1801 – 31 December 1900, those tribes never knew about such stuff as the law of nation, and thus could never have claimed their land, that however didn't make it the land of no one smh:lol in 1830 the Removal Act had already begun even though the law was there for like 29 years or so(which is pretty short by their standard).


you gotta be trolling or some shit

Exactly international law didn't exist. So why are they held to the standards of today?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Exactly international law didn't exist. So why are they held to the standards of today?

Bro I swear :lol this guy is something


The entire argument you posted and the whole idea was based on the international law:yeah: read the last sentence of your own link fam

 

[BlazeRelease]

There you have it. They continued to live in the same house, so they should pay the pills. If somebody stole your dads house that he was going to give to you and killed him, would that change that the house is rightfully yours? No it wouldn't

Legalities =\= right and wrong

And if someone stole my dads house, then successfully established a new government, then they'd probably keep his house.

And by the way, none of this us even comparable. It's a different situation altogether.

Also remember, the thieves AND victims are generations gone. Property would be in the hands of the state at that point.

 

[Fresco]

The current structure of america is most definitely out to get white people.

I know all of what you said. The difference is you are analyzing what happened under today's laws and that simply isn't how the world was back then.

Why aren't we taught that rome was evil for conquering the world? What about Alexander the Great? What about when the Chinese ruled the world? Why are they never treated like thieves? Why? America was no different in it's founding than any of those nations yet somehow we're thieves? Nah we won they lost. If an Indian knocked on your door and said "you're on my land" would you give it back to him? If not you're being hypocritical.

If you don't believe in white persecution... I challenge you to name one evil black from your history class. We know all about MLK, Harriet Tubman, Alexander Graham bell etc. Give me one evil black. I can list plenty of evil white folks intended to make me feel guilty

The difference between the policy of Native American removal and those you listed is that it was around 180 years ago, and it existed well into the late 19th century. It was particularly interesting because the US held itself to a different standard from the rest of the world, in that its citizens were putting the social contract theory into effect, but that standard of "life, liberty, happiness, and property" did not exist for blacks, and it didn't exist for Native Americans unless they agreed to move from their lands or assimilate.

You're under the wrong impression, though. Like Blaze said, we're not subject to what happened in the past. The thing is, you made a claim that's proven wrong by historical consensus, and I corrected you. The fact is we did force Natives from their land and we did commit genocide.

If you're talking about US history, then you totally missed the entire ****ing point of it. It's not to make you feel guilty, it's to teach you what actually happened. They wouldn't put Native American genocide or slavery in text books of it didn't happen. US history is filled with white people who did bad shit. People do bad shit. Who ****ing knew? God, you're ridiculous.

 

[BrillyMac]

Legalities =\= right and wrong

And if someone stole my dads house, then successfully established a new government, then they'd probably keep his house.

And by the way, none of this us even comparable. It's a different situation altogether.

Also remember, the thieves AND victims are generations gone. Property would be in the hands of the state at that point.

The victims aren't generations gone, they're still here. They're currently being persecuted by the government. Just because time flew by doesn't mean it's over and everyone should just forget about it. That's not how life works. Only the people afraid of the consequences say forget about it. Time does not heal scars and it does not heal all wounds. The indigenous people are still suffering because of the continued persecution of them