[Theory] The Demon

Rabbit Teth · Apr 30, 2015

In honour of Golden Week and because there is little new worth discussing until next chapter I thought I'd take this window to pick up where I left off talking about colours and their meaning / importance in Naruto. Here’s a second, more speculative part 2. This is more a collection of ideas on a theme rather than a complete theory but it does tie in with some earlier ideas on the nature of the Demon. If you haven’t read the first part of this then you can find it towards the bottom of Page 10 (I'd start there before skipping to Part 2). Spoiler warning for anyone who doesn't like thinking ahead.

ROYGBIV Part 2

Green

Green is important for two reasons. The first of these isn’t really all that important. It’s the colour of Might Guy who calls himself "Konoha's Sublime Green Beast of Prey" (木ノ葉の気高き碧い猛獣, Konoha no Kedakaki Aoi Mōjū). By extension green is also the colour of Rock Lee. Opening the eight gates makes them both change colour, with green being the most sustainable level reached (they turn Blue at 7 and Red at 8). I doubt there is any great significance to these colour changes though it is similar to Bijuu Tail releases. Instead I think green is their predominant colour choice in homage to the real life martial artist they are both based on… Bruce Lee.

Most people will probably be more aware of Jackie Chan, who is currently the most famous martial artist still alive, though his Springtime of Youth has probably had its day. The real pioneer of martial arts as entertainment though was Bruce Lee. Jackie Chan actually started out his career as a stuntman in two of Bruce Lee’s films (Fist of Fury and Enter the Dragon). Bruce Lee revolutionized the style of fighting seen in movies and prompted a craze for taking up Eastern style martial arts the world over.

Why Green? The colour might have something to do with Bruce Lee’s break out role. Bruce Lee was the star of a superhero TV series called Green Hornet. He wasn’t the title character, instead he played a sort of manservant to the Green Hornet called Kato. Even though he was supposed to be a sort of Alfred character to the Green Hornet, Bruce Lee’s talent stood out so much that very few fans of the show could tell you who the main star was but everybody remembers Bruce Lee.
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The Jumpsuit, pudding bowl haircut and nunchuku that distinguish Might Guy and Rock Lee are more prominent homages to Bruce Lee. These were probably inspired by the film Enter the Dragon:

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Might Guy

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Meanwhile, Itachi is modeled on a character played by Bruce Lee’s son called the Crow (which is due to be remade). Tragically, Brandon Lee (Bruce’s son) was killed during the making of The Crow. In one of the scenes where Brandon is shot at, one of the stunt guns that was supposed to be loaded with blanks was loaded instead with a live round. The scene is still in the movie and although they hadn’t finished filming at the time they were able to complete shooting without him. The film is actually really good and stands as tribute to somebody who would have been a great talent.
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Comparison 2

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The second reason why green might be important is because it is because it crops up in one of those cryptic comments that Orochimaru makes from time to time. When asked of his intentions, Orochimaru starts to talk about the first person to mix Yellow and Blue to create Green:

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This comment might simply be a throwaway aside with no importance or meaning whatsoever but the choice of words seem odd. People don’t invent new colours, they simply name them or recreate them. Orochimaru, however, talks about the first person to mix two colours and that person’s creation being green. What could this mean, if indeed it has any meaning?

Well I tend to think that Orochimaru might have been around since the time of Kaguya (transmigrating between bodies whenever he needs to or whenever he finds a more powerful host). The theory is that Orochimaru is this “first person” to experiment by mixing colours to create new ones. I reckon that there is a good chance Orochimaru was the one responsible for creating a new creature that mixed different colour chakra natures and that this creature’s chakra nature would have been green…

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I also think there’s a good chance that Orochimaru is the one behind the conception of a new character whose origins are the mystery at the centre of this new run of chapters … her chakra looks like it could end up being a mix of Uzumaki Red and Uchiha Dark Blue (though she takes more after her father):

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Rainbow

Since I’ve been going through the colours of the Rainbow I thought it was worth stopping for a moment to consider the importance of the Rainbow itself.

On one side of the war you have light in all its many colours. ROYGBIV are the colours of the rainbow. Rainbows are simply refracted sunlight. Within White Light are several different frequencies and wavelengths that when separated we register as the different colours. When light passes through raindrops it does the same thing as when you pass it through a prism – suddenly all the different colours become distinguishable… Red Orange Yellow Green Blue Indigo and Violet (ROYGBIV):

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Rainbow

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A lot of important characters tend to get their own distinct colours, but the rainbow itself is important in a couple of different ways. First and foremost is the legacy of the true Akatsuki – the Rainbow represents the Bridge to Peace that Nagato, Konan and Yahiko fought so hard to realise:

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Naruto helped build and sustain this bridge by bringing all the many colours together in the Shinobi Alliance and lifting them when they struggled to defeat the Juubi on their own.

Then there is the Rainbow as a weapon. This is what Sasuke wields against Naruto. Kishi doesn’t emphasise the point too strongly in the manga but Indra’s Bow is actually a Rainbow. Indra is the god of storms in various real world religions. The Bow that Sasuke’s Avatar wields would be Indra’s Bow. Indra’s Bow in Sanskrit actually translates as Rainbow - Indradhanus इन्द्रधनुष.
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His knife represents the power of lightning - it is called Vajra and is the weapon seen in the hands of several of Sasuke’s Avatars:
Vajra as a Club (the Drums represent Thunder)

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Real Life Depiction

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Vajra as a Knife

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Real Life Depiction

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The fact that Sasuke has been pictured alongside a depiction of Vajra (Indra’s weapon) long before we ever knew the name of the Sage’s first son makes me think Kishi planned this story out long before the war arc got underway and that the story has much further to go before it is fully resolved.

Black

Black would be the other side in the war. This could alternatively be described as the Darkness.

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With one exception, none of the principle bad guys seem to know who they are serving. Obito thought he was serving Madara but had ambitions of his own. Madara thought he was serving his own “will” until his “will” stabbed him in the back. Black Zetsu thought he was resurrecting his mother but what he brought back to life seemed like nothing more than a Shell of Hagoromo and Hamura’s mother. The big bad is yet to step forth into the light… so to speak.

I think Orochimaru represents Black. The thing about Orochimaru is that his human form is nothing more than a disguise. He moves from body to body replacing his host whenever the body gets worn out. It is unclear when he started transmigrating into new bodies. Indra and Asura have been doing it for millennia:

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The child that Jiraiya grew up with might not be the same as the ninja who he trained alongside. Jiraiya reminisces that Orochimaru was not the same after his parents died… and perhaps he wasn’t:

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Ibiki remarks that when he first met Orochimaru he was terrified, it was like Orochimaru was wearing human skin:

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So how does Black fit in with Orochimaru? Given that his human form might be nothing more than a disguise it is worth considering what Oro really looks like.

When we see Orochimaru’s Chakra slowly taking control of Kabuto it is noteworthy how Kabuto appears when inspected by the Byakugan:

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Each time we have seen Oro fight it has been nothing more than a throwaway host body fighting under Orochimaru’s control:

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When Oro fought Sasuke, it was nothing more than a custom made body:

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Spares

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It’s not entirely clear whether we’ve ever actually seen Orochimaru’s original body or just a series of hosts that had been subjected to his experiments. One of the distinguishing features of those who have been experimented on by Orochimaru is their “Dark Transfiguration”, this is the change undergone by those who suffer from the Cursed Seal (transfiguration is simply a fancy way of saying a change in appearance and is most commonly used in religious contexts):
“Dark Transfiguration”

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The Cursed Seal is supposed to have been synthesized from Juugo’s blood:

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Recently though, we’ve learned that what drove Jugo’s clan crazy was the Sage Chakra from Ryuchido, the home of the snakes and counterpart to Mt Myobokuzan:

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The Cursed Seal is a vessel for Orochimaru’s consciousness and a type of Sage Chakra, roughly equivalent to Naruto’s Frog Sage Mode which grants mastery of nature energy:

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It may be unconnected, but there is a chance that Hidan’s Cursed Mode is also related to the Cursed Seal. If Orochimaru is the Demon then praying to Jashin (which translates as Evil God just as Shinju translates to God Tree) might in effect be praying to Orochimaru. Both the Cursed Seal and Hidan’s Cursed Mode prompt a Dark Transfiguration:

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Orochimaru’s followers all look to him to grant them power

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…and these wishes have been granted to his army of followers who are no doubt keen to welcome his return:

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This brings me to Karin… Karin is the current focus of a lot of attention because of her potential to be Sarada’s true mother. One interesting question about Karin though is about the nature of her developing powers. Karin has markings all over her body that might be bite marks but equally might be the activation of her Cursed Seal Mode…
Bite Marks:

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Karin is one of Orochimaru’s prize guinea pigs:

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The marks on her arm are spread across the rest of her body as well, including places where she is unlikely to have been bitten (though who knows, she’s always been kind of kinky):

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These marks might in fact be Karin’s Cursed Seal markings, which look very similar to markings on Kabuto (when transforming into Orochimaru) and Obito (when transforming into the Juubi Jinc)…
Kabuto Markings (showing the spread of Orochimaru)

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Obito Juubi Jinc

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What would the Demon look like when not wearing another’s body? I think that this figure could be the best look we’ve gotten at the true Demon (a figure whose influence only Karin has been able to see):

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This would be his incomplete form however… the Demon, it would seem, traditionally has three spiral eyes on his forehead as seen in the Demon Cloak

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…and the Uzumaki Shrine:

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I think that the Demon is also the symbol of the Curse of Hatred that has haunted the Uchiha Clan through the generations. In the Samsara (the Buddhist Wheel of Life) the Curse of Hatred is represented by a snake at the centre of the wheel. The Six Realms of the Samsara correspond to the dimensions opened by Kaguya and to the names of the Six Paths of Pain. I think the Samsara is what Orochimaru alludes to when he talks about spinning wheels and windmills (hatred and destruction have always been seen as drivers of change making the wheel spin):
Samsara Breakdown

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Six Paths of Pain

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Kaguya’s Dimensions

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Orochimaru’s Wind of Change / Windmills (alluded to in cryptic conversations with the Third and the Fifth)

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The Black figure used by Itachi to represent the dark past of the Uchiha clan is also a multi-eyed deity:

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… and also has its own statue – the counterpart to the one who I think represents Kaguya (see White in ROYGBIV part 1)

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I figure that Orochimaru belongs to the Family at the centre of the story moving forwards. The Ootsutsuki all wear distinctive white robes with Tomoe markings:
Kaguya

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Hagoromo and Hamura

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Indra and Asura

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… but the Child who was taken in by the ninja academy after his parents died also wore the same robes – though he doesn’t seem overly bothered by his parents death:

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The Tomoe are the hallmark of the Uchiha but they are also the hallmark of the Snakes and of the Cursed Seal:
Snakes:

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Cursed Seal:

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Which brings me to Orochimaru’s distinctive chakra nature. Orochimaru’s Sennin Chakra has a distinctive design. This can be seen in his early Cursed Seal Experiments:

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In Madara’s transformation into Kaguya:

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…and in the Bijuu Chakra passed down to Naruto:

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This Black Chakra is made from the consumed souls of deceased ninja. When Ninja are consumed they are turned into the material White Zetsu is formed out of:

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Orochimaru has a massive collection of this White Zetsu material:

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When enough souls were originally collected, they were used to construct the first Juubi:

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The Juubi’s Chakra was then split by Hagoromo and reformed into the 9 Bijuu. Those Bijuu, however, still carry echoes of the souls who were consumed to make the original Juubi … this is what Naruto saw within Kurama:

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I’ll close on a question that Karin asked but never answered. When she first met Naruto she checked out his chakra. It reminded her of something though she did not explain what other than to say it was evil. I think the Demon Fox in Naruto was made in part from the Demon’s Chakra that originally corrupted Kaguya. I think what she recognised was Orochimaru’s chakra:

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I meant to cover Blue as well but I've run out of room again so it'll have to wait for next time.

Hyuuga Ootsutsuki · May 2, 2015

Rabbit Teth said:
Blue Haired Kid?

A couple of people have suggested that Orochimaru might be the Blue Haired Kid beside Boruto in class. It’s a bit early to get overly excited by some random kid but he does have a couple of familiar features that harken back to Orochimaru.

Here’s the Blue haired Kid

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Here’s the Orochimaru incarnation who he looks like

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This kid is clearly not Gen'yūmaru (Orochimaru’s former host) but he might belong to the clan that Orochimaru promised to set free. Gen'yūmaru only agreed to submit to Oro so long as he set his clan free:

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Going back on his word to free Gen'yūmaru’s clan wouldn’t be the most despicable thing Oro has ever done but it would be a nice reminder of how evil he can be…. Plus the kid’s eyes seem to have a certain Orochimaru slant to them. When Oro possesses a new body the Eyes tend to be the giveaway:
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It's way to early to jump to any conclusions. There are plenty of fodder nin who get the odd line in this manga and the blue haired kid could be completely unimportant…. but still, Orochimaru tends to swap bodies every couple of years depending on the strength of the host. It's uncertain how long Oro could survive in a Zetsu body before needing to Transmigrate. Gen'yūmaru lasted three years before his body needed to be replaced. It would be a nice twist to have Oro training alongside Boruto. A big plank of this theory is that the orphan who grew up in Konoha under Hiruzen was simply another host rather than the original Snake.

Update* One other suggestion floating around is that the blue haired kid is a Toneri Clone. There is a definite resemblance between the Blue Haired Kid and Toneri but Toneri never had any eyes. He was born blind in the Last and had to transplant Hinabi's Byakugan in order to take control of the Tenseigan (the Green / Blue Eyes he uses in the film). If he were a Toneri Clone it would make me even more suspicious of Orochimaru's involvement but I doubt he has anything to do with Toneri.
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Update** His name is Mitsuki according to promo material. It looks like he'll be part of the three man squad alongside Boruto and Sarada. The name means three months and seems to be connected to the Moon cycle (kind of like Ootsutsuki is - Strange Moon). Looks like he isn't fodder so we should be finding out a lot more about him after all.

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The resemblence between Mitsuki and Toneri's Chakra Mode, the appearance of the eyeliner.

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Could this be the offspring of Toneri & Hanabi?

Rabbit Teth · May 3, 2015

Hyuuga Ootsutsuki said:
The resemblence between Mitsuki and Toneri's Chakra Mode, the appearance of the eyeliner.

Toneri

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Mitsuki

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Ah, okay... I didn't really get why people were talking about a resemblance between the two. The eyes do kind of look similar. Thanks.

Hyuuga Ootsutsuki said:
Could this be the offspring of Toneri & Hanabi?

Spoiler Warning* in case anyone reading hasn't seen the film

I'm inclined to think not. First up I think he looks a lot more like Gen'yūmaru in terms of his eyes, hair and face (both colour and shape thereof). That's not to say that the kid is definitely a member of Gen'yūmaru's clan or some kind of Clone… he could just be a classmate… but it's the description of him that makes me think he's Orochimaru … the word mysterious is used in his bio multiple times which only makes me think of the Snake.

Toneri was little more than a fodder villain. He was not serving his own agenda but rather attempting to enact Hamura's Prophecy. We don't know who planted the idea that Hamura wanted to destroy the world and start again but we know it wasn't Hamura. Hamura shows up during the movie to tell Hinata to stop Toneri. As far as I can tell Toneri was little more than a stooge (like Obito or Madara).

One thing about Toneri is that, like a lot of people who I think fit on a list of potential Orochimaru experiments, he was born with dodgy eyes (I'll throw Nagato and Sai into that group as well for reasons I'll get round to explaining). Toneri in fact was born without eyes. In order to activate the Tenseigan he needs to steal Hanabi's Eyes. If Mitsuki were Toneri's offspring I would expect him to have no eyes rather than Orochimaru style ones. That's just my opinion though.

ROHAN · May 3, 2015

These are Chapter 2 Spoilers on Sarada. Pay attention to bold.

Sergeant Dunn said:
Salad wasn't born in Konoha.She does not have birth records is not on the Uchiha family register or in Sasuke and Sakura's individuial profiles

She goes to Shizune for details and asks why there is no record of her birth.

Sasuke did not acknowledge Salad to put on his/ their registry that much is confirmed

Options are:

A) She was listed on her own 戸籍 (and this whole document is missing), because she was not acknowledged by Sasuke as a 'Uchiha'

B) Was not added onto Sasuke+ Sakura's joint 戸籍 (because Sakura and Sasuke are not married/never updated)

C) Was not added onto Sakura's 戸籍 (She didn't add Sarada to her's for some reason)

D) No documents were ever updated for some crazy reason.

....so Sarada doesn't exist....and is not an official citizen of Konoha.

She must be on someone's 戸籍 to be a citizen of Konoha

Hyuga Prodigy · May 5, 2015

Rabbit teth, do you think the guy in the Akatsuki cloak could be Blackzetsu since he's the one that formulate the Uchiha Clan that causes the hatred?? Or he could be perhaps a survivor Uchiha with a mixture Of Tobidara and Black zetsu??

What happen to the whole theory you made with how Orochimaru related to Blackzetsu???

ROHAN · May 5, 2015

Hyuga Prodigy said:
Rabbit teth, do you think the guy in the Akatsuki cloak could be Blackzetsu since he's the one that formulate the Uchiha Clan that causes the hatred?? Or he could be perhaps a survivor Uchiha with a mixture Of Tobidara and Black zetsu??

What happen to the whole theory you made with how Orochimaru related to Blackzetsu???

I think it's Spiral Zetsu using Madara's body though. We all know that Tobi = Obito + Spiral Zetsu and his disguise gives off a Tobi feeling.

Rabbit Teth · May 6, 2015

Hyuga Prodigy said:
Rabbit teth, do you think the guy in the Akatsuki cloak could be Blackzetsu since he's the one that formulate the Uchiha Clan that causes the hatred?? Or he could be perhaps a survivor Uchiha with a mixture Of Tobidara and Black zetsu??

What happen to the whole theory you made with how Orochimaru related to Blackzetsu???

I was going to wait for the chapter to come out but where’s the fun in that. The spoilers look legit so I’ll throw caution to the wind. I get a real horror movie vibe off the pair of them (I’m thinking Scanners, The Boys from Brazil and Blade Runner – niche old horror movies all). Here’re some rough ideas on who they might be and how they would fit in to the bigger story of the Demon.

A New Leaf

We’re not even two chapters in and we’ve already got three big mysteries… a Girl who’s unsure who her Parents are (and no I don’t mean Chocho), a Man in a Hood and an Albino Uchiha. I’ll assume straight off the bat that Kishi is going to have some fun with us and not tell us any time soon the real story behind these three. At the same time I figure we already know quite a lot about them if only we could work out which storylines they tie into. Assuming that the Demon is in fact behind everything I’m going to go ahead and speculate that all three are tied into the as yet unresolved mystery surrounding the Uchiha Massacre.

Roots in Darkness

While I don’t think that Black Zetsu will be making a reappearance anytime soon (last we saw him he was hurled into the core of a new Chibaku Tensei moon by Naruto) I do think that Black Zetsu provided some clues about the mysteries ahead.
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Black Zetsu did some awful things over the generations but Black Zetsu never aspired to anything more than resurrecting his mother. In that respect I would not consider, by any stretch of the imagination, Black Zetsu to be the final villain of the story. He was just a sad lonely creature who yearned for a family and spent generations attempting to resurrect a mother who he had never known:

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I figure he never knew his father either even though that’s the parent I figure he got his looks and personality from:

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We know very little about Black Zetsu’s creation. I imagine we will learn more about the Ootsutsuki and BZ’s origins as the story moves forward but for now I’ll stick to what we do know and we know that BZ’s mother was not just Kaguya but Kaguya joined with the Shinju:

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I would regard Kaguya as a failed experiment. Sure she ate the fruit of the Shinju but she did so only to end the wars that were ravaging humanity at that time:

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Initially I imagine her plan worked and she was able to end a great war and the people loved her for it… but then something changed. This was a cliffhanger left to us by Hagoromo before he departed for the afterlife:

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What changed is still something of a mystery but it would seem as though she underwent a transformation. She was fused with the Shinju – she only gave birth to BZ after she had turned into the Juubi:

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The Demon needs a body that can contain and control the power of the Shinju - A jinchuuriki is more powerful than the rampant beast:

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Kaguya was an unsuitable host for the Demon. Her body lost control of the power of the Shinju and she transformed into the Juubi:

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The next generation was not much better. Hagoromo became the second Jinchuuriki to the Juubi. He knew he could not control the full power of the beast and so he resorted to splitting its chakra:

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The reason why the Demon wants Sasuke as his host is that Sasuke has the potential to bring the full power of the Juubi under his control:

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The Demon doesn’t want just any host, he’s willing to wait for the right one:
Orochimaru and Sasuke sitting in a tree…

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A host that can contain the power of the Shinju is the main goal but it’s not the only one. The Demon also wanted an army. Over the thousands of years that have passed since Kaguya, that army has evolved…

The Unnatural Evolution of Zetsu

The first generation of Zetsu were simply the digested remains of those eaten by the Juubi, reformed into something new:

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The second generation of Zetsu were an improvement but the results were unreliable. Zetsu was made stronger through combining the remains of Hagoromo (the Gedo Mazo was his body that he sealed in the Moon) with a descendant of Kaguya who had inherited the power to control wood (probably inherited from the Shinju)… Hashirama Cells

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The quality of Madara’s efforts were low but the Demon went to work on creating something better… actual Hashirama clones made through grafting Hashirama cells onto foetuses (experiments that might not have been limited to cloning Hashirama see below for more):

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This research was taken one step further by combining Sharingan with Hashirama cells… this is what Orochimaru created to replace Danzo’s arm:

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Kabutorochimaru used the lessons from Orochimaru’s research in order to enhance Madara’s body:

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The natural evolution of these experiments is the creation of a White Zetsu with Sharingan … that’s what I think this guy is:

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He could simply be an Albino Uchiha but all the Uchiha were wiped out in the massacre with the exception of Obito, Itachi and Sasuke (Madara was already dead). His comments about Sasuke being a disgrace could be a planted memory (excuse the puns) or an echo from the Sharingan that were implanted – It’s not clear whether these new sharingan were created from scratch, implanted from Obito’s share of the Massacre or from Orochimaru’s stash (what would have remained after the eyes that were implanted in Danzo’s arm).
Unaccounted for eyes

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Hidden Roots

Who then is the other guy… the one in the Hood? This guy…

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Well the obvious answer would be Orochimaru. He still probably has his Cloak from the Akatsuki days:
Playing the fool(?)

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… and he kept his ring

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I doubt the guy in the Hood is actually Orochimaru. It would depend on how quickly Kishi wants to wrap up this story. If he were to try and do it in 10 chapters then that might be the case. I figure there is a long way to go before any kind of Orochimaru unmasking. Kishi drew out the Tobi mystery for what felt like forever and before the final reveal he inserted all kinds of misdirection…
Danzo is Tobi!!!

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Instead I wonder whether Orochimaru still has a lot of former members of Root still loyal to him. The organization is practically a cult dedicated to the Tree (by which I think they mean the Shinju) rather than to Konoha:
Unknown Member of the Nara Clan

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I kind of hope this Root member was Shikamaru’s dad and that the secret in the wooden box by his bed was his Root mask rather than a secret porn stash:

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If it wasn’t Shikamaru’s dad who gave Sai special orders then maybe the man under the hood is just another Nara member. It’s kind of hard to say.

Next up would be another Root Member who is currently unaccounted for. His name apparently is Tatsuma (the one threatening orphans):

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… but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was actually this guy’s dad who enlisted (or is that sacrificed) his own son into Orochimaru’s underground organization (I say Orochimaru’s organization because let’s face it Danzo was his guinea pig):

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Next up would be Homura

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He was implicated as one of the guys behind the Uchiha massacre. We know next to nothing about the guy except that Tsunade didn’t trust him. Tsunade was not best pleased with Shizune for informing on her to him (I figure he’s the mole because he wears glasses like so many of Orochimaru’s experiments but equally it could have been Koharu who helped swing the vote for in favour of massacring the Uchiha):

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If it did turn out that Sarada was the product of one of Orochimaru’s experiments then I wouldn’t be surprised if Homura was one of the first experiments - bad eyesight perhaps being one of the side effects of Orochimaru's cloning experiments:

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Kabuto has similar problems with his eyes

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as does Karin

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and Yamato

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…and maybe even Sai – he was raised in Root, has no recollection of his family - just his adopted brother (who died from an unspecified disease just like Itachi – perhaps another imperfect experiment), does not understand human interactions, has the pale skin of a Zetsu and looks like Sasuke apart from the eyes…
Sasuke Clone?

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Also not forgetting Nagato who had hazy memories of his parents but seemingly no recollection of his eyes being replaced by Madara’s eyes - maybe his earliest memories were implanted:
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Madara’s Eyes

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Personally I find it hard to believe that Orochimaru did not recognise he was in the presence of the Sage’s Eyes Reborn but that Jiraiya did…
Orochimaru feigning ignorance

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Jiraiya

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Spoiler warning in case you haven’t seen Naruto the Last but Toneri too seems to have grown up without any eyes until he transplanted somebody else’s… Hanabi’s… in order to activate the Tenseigan:

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I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru had tried cloning Uchiha but had been unable to because the eyes couldn't be replicated through genetics alone. Eyes in general might have been a stumbling block for the Snake. There are a disproportionate number of people who have bad eyes among Orochimaru's associates and guineapigs (whether in Root or Akatsuki). If Orochimaru had been able to clone Sasuke then he wouldn't need the original. A lot of those who have bad eyesight also had traumatic childhoods (the traditional means of activating Sharingan). Not only might their bodies have been engineered but their tragedies might have been as well so as to try and switch on their eyes.

If Orochimaru’s experiments are as widespread as I’m making out, and I’ll freely admit that it’s a big if, and were Sarada to be one of them then there would be a big question mark over how long she might live. Shin (Sai’s adopted brother from Root who looks like Kabuto), Itachi (Sasuke’s brother) and Kimimaro (Orochimaru’s intended host that didn’t make it) all died from a strange illness that has never been revealed. Replicants with an Expiry Date is the storyline of Blade Runner (if you haven't watched it it's worth the effort).
Shin Illness See Episode 263 Anime + Databooks

Kimimaro Illness:

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Sasuke searching for a cure could tie together Old and New Eras or at least fill up a couple of filler episodes.

Finally my last suggestion for the Man under the Hood would be Tobi or as we know him better Spiral Zetsu. I think that there is a chance that Spiral Zetsu was one of the original White Zetsu’s created in the aftermath of Hagoromo losing control of his Juubi Chakra (the reason why he sealed his body in the Moon). Tobi rather than being Tobidara (the will of Madara preserved in a Zetsu) would essentially be Tobindra (the original pissed off Uchiha who attempted to kill his brother until he was eaten by his father(?)):
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Of course Spiral would now be under the complete control of the Cursed Seal:

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I got the impression at least in the final chapter of Part 2 that the one following Sasuke was Spiral (the entwining bushes)

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Both Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu were founder members of Akatsuki so they too like Orochimaru would probably have their coats somewhere:
White / Black Zetsu

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I’ll leave one thought behind on where the manga could be headed. If the Shinju were no longer a great tree but the lineage of Kaguya (the pair having been joined together) then the Fruit of the Shinju might not be a fruit next time it grows. The Shinju is supposed to grow new fruit every thousand years:

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Maybe this generation is the new fruit. It’s not as though they have fruit features… oh wait:
Boruto and Himawari

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Cartoon Fruit

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Orochimaru’s Goal (?) … World Domination

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Really this is only speculation but Orochimaru's Experiments, the mystery of the Uchiha Massacre and the Children of the Shinju could be the connecting threads tying everything together to the Demon. I'm sure I'll change my mind about a lot of things as we learn more.

UnknownJin · May 6, 2015

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I was going to wait for the chapter to come out but where’s the fun in that. The spoilers look legit so I’ll throw caution to the wind. I get a real horror movie vibe off the pair of them (I’m thinking Scanners, The Boys from Brazil and Blade Runner – niche old horror movies all). Here’re some rough ideas on who they might be and how they would fit in to the bigger story of the Demon.

A New Leaf

We’re not even two chapters in and we’ve already got three big mysteries… a Girl who’s unsure who her Parents are (and no I don’t mean Chocho), a Man in a Hood and an Albino Uchiha. I’ll assume straight off the bat that Kishi is going to have some fun with us and not tell us any time soon the real story behind these three. At the same time I figure we already know quite a lot about them if only we could work out which storylines they tie into. Assuming that the Demon is in fact behind everything I’m going to go ahead and speculate that all three are tied into the as yet unresolved mystery surrounding the Uchiha Massacre.

Roots in Darkness

While I don’t think that Black Zetsu will be making a reappearance anytime soon (last we saw him he was hurled into the core of a new Chibaku Tensei moon by Naruto) I do think that Black Zetsu provided some clues about the mysteries ahead.
Chibaku Tensei

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Black Zetsu did some awful things over the generations but Black Zetsu never aspired to anything more than resurrecting his mother. In that respect I would not consider, by any stretch of the imagination, Black Zetsu to be the final villain of the story. He was just a sad lonely creature who yearned for a family and spent generations attempting to resurrect a mother who he had never known:

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I figure he never knew his father either even though that’s the parent I figure he got his looks and personality from:

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We know very little about Black Zetsu’s creation. I imagine we will learn more about the Ootsutsuki and BZ’s origins as the story moves forward but for now I’ll stick to what we do know and we know that BZ’s mother was not just Kaguya but Kaguya joined with the Shinju:

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I would regard Kaguya as a failed experiment. Sure she ate the fruit of the Shinju but she did so only to end the wars that were ravaging humanity at that time:

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Initially I imagine her plan worked and she was able to end a great war and the people loved her for it… but then something changed. This was a cliffhanger left to us by Hagoromo before he departed for the afterlife:

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What changed is still something of a mystery but it would seem as though she underwent a transformation. She was fused with the Shinju – she only gave birth to BZ after she had turned into the Juubi:

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The Demon needs a body that can contain and control the power of the Shinju - A jinchuuriki is more powerful than the rampant beast:

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Kaguya was an unsuitable host for the Demon. Her body lost control of the power of the Shinju and she transformed into the Juubi:

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The next generation was not much better. Hagoromo became the second Jinchuuriki to the Juubi. He knew he could not control the full power of the beast and so he resorted to splitting its chakra:

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The reason why the Demon wants Sasuke as his host is that Sasuke has the potential to bring the full power of the Juubi under his control:

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The Demon doesn’t want just any host, he’s willing to wait for the right one:
Orochimaru and Sasuke sitting in a tree…

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A host that can contain the power of the Shinju is the main goal but it’s not the only one. The Demon also wanted an army. Over the thousands of years that have passed since Kaguya, that army has evolved…

The Unnatural Evolution of Zetsu

The first generation of Zetsu were simply the digested remains of those eaten by the Juubi, reformed into something new:

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The second generation of Zetsu were an improvement but the results were unreliable. Zetsu was made stronger through combining the remains of Hagoromo (the Gedo Mazo was his body that he sealed in the Moon) with a descendant of Kaguya who had inherited the power to control wood (probably inherited from the Shinju)… Hashirama Cells

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The quality of Madara’s efforts were low but the Demon went to work on creating something better… actual Hashirama clones made through grafting Hashirama cells onto foetuses (experiments that might not have been limited to cloning Hashirama see below for more):

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This research was taken one step further by combining Sharingan with Hashirama cells… this is what Orochimaru created to replace Danzo’s arm:

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Kabutorochimaru used the lessons from Orochimaru’s research in order to enhance Madara’s body:

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The natural evolution of these experiments is the creation of a White Zetsu with Sharingan … that’s what I think this guy is:

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He could simply be an Albino Uchiha but all the Uchiha were wiped out in the massacre with the exception of Obito, Itachi and Sasuke (Madara was already dead). His comments about Sasuke being a disgrace could be a planted memory (excuse the puns) or an echo from the Sharingan that were implanted – It’s not clear whether these new sharingan were created from scratch, implanted from Obito’s share of the Massacre or from Orochimaru’s stash (what would have remained after the eyes that were implanted in Danzo’s arm).
Unaccounted for eyes

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Hidden Roots

Who then is the other guy… the one in the Hood? This guy…

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Well the obvious answer would be Orochimaru. He still probably has his Cloak from the Akatsuki days:
Playing the fool(?)

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… and he kept his ring

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I doubt the guy in the Hood is actually Orochimaru. It would depend on how quickly Kishi wants to wrap up this story. If he were to try and do it in 10 chapters then that might be the case. I figure there is a long way to go before any kind of Orochimaru unmasking. Kishi drew out the Tobi mystery for what felt like forever and before the final reveal he inserted all kinds of misdirection…
Danzo is Tobi!!!

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Instead I wonder whether Orochimaru still has a lot of former members of Root still loyal to him. The organization is practically a cult dedicated to the Tree (by which I think they mean the Shinju) rather than to Konoha:
Unknown Member of the Nara Clan

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I kind of hope this Root member was Shikamaru’s dad and that the secret in the wooden box by his bed was his Root mask rather than a secret porn stash:

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If it wasn’t Shikamaru’s dad who gave Sai special orders then maybe the man under the hood is just another Nara member. It’s kind of hard to say.

Next up would be another Root Member who is currently unaccounted for. His name apparently is Tatsuma (the one threatening orphans):

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… but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was actually this guy’s dad who enlisted (or is that sacrificed) his own son into Orochimaru’s underground organization (I say Orochimaru’s organization because let’s face it Danzo was his guinea pig):

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Next up would be Homura

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He was implicated as one of the guys behind the Uchiha massacre. We know next to nothing about the guy except that Tsunade didn’t trust him. Tsunade was not best pleased with Shizune for informing on her to him (I figure he’s the mole because he wears glasses like so many of Orochimaru’s experiments but equally it could have been Koharu who helped swing the vote for in favour of massacring the Uchiha):

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If it did turn out that Sarada was the product of one of Orochimaru’s experiments then I wouldn’t be surprised if Homura was one of the first experiments - bad eyesight perhaps being one of the side effects of Orochimaru's cloning experiments:

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Kabuto has similar problems with his eyes

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as does Karin

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and Yamato

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…and maybe even Sai – he was raised in Root, has no recollection of his family - just his adopted brother (who died from an unspecified disease just like Itachi – perhaps another imperfect experiment), does not understand human interactions, has the pale skin of a Zetsu and looks like Sasuke apart from the eyes…
Sasuke Clone?

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Also not forgetting Nagato who had hazy memories of his parents but seemingly no recollection of his eyes being replaced by Madara’s eyes - maybe his earliest memories were implanted:
Activating Rinnegan

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Madara’s Eyes

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Personally I find it hard to believe that Orochimaru did not recognise he was in the presence of the Sage’s Eyes Reborn but that Jiraiya did…
Orochimaru feigning ignorance

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Jiraiya

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Spoiler warning in case you haven’t seen Naruto the Last but Toneri too seems to have grown up without any eyes until he transplanted somebody else’s… Hanabi’s… in order to activate the Tenseigan:

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I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru had tried cloning Uchiha but had been unable to because the eyes couldn't be replicated through genetics alone. Eyes in general might have been a stumbling block for the Snake. There are a disproportionate number of people who have bad eyes among Orochimaru's associates and guineapigs (whether in Root or Akatsuki). If Orochimaru had been able to clone Sasuke then he wouldn't need the original. A lot of those who have bad eyesight also had traumatic childhoods (the traditional means of activating Sharingan). Not only might their bodies have been engineered but their tragedies might have been as well so as to try and switch on their eyes.

If Orochimaru’s experiments are as widespread as I’m making out, and I’ll freely admit that it’s a big if, and were Sarada to be one of them then there would be a big question mark over how long she might live. Shin (Sai’s adopted brother from Root who looks like Kabuto), Itachi (Sasuke’s brother) and Kimimaro (Orochimaru’s intended host that didn’t make it) all died from a strange illness that has never been revealed. Replicants with an Expiry Date is the storyline of Blade Runner (if you haven't watched it it's worth the effort).
Shin Illness See Episode 263 Anime + Databooks

Kimimaro Illness:

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Itachi Illness

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Sasuke searching for a cure could tie together Old and New Eras or at least fill up a couple of filler episodes.

Finally my last suggestion for the Man under the Hood would be Tobi or as we know him better Spiral Zetsu. I think that there is a chance that Spiral Zetsu was one of the original White Zetsu’s created in the aftermath of Hagoromo losing control of his Juubi Chakra (the reason why he sealed his body in the Moon). Tobi rather than being Tobidara (the will of Madara preserved in a Zetsu) would essentially be Tobindra (the original pissed off Uchiha who attempted to kill his brother until he was eaten by his father(?)):
Indra Spiral Eyes

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Spiral Zetsu

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Of course Spiral would now be under the complete control of the Cursed Seal:

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I got the impression at least in the final chapter of Part 2 that the one following Sasuke was Spiral (the entwining bushes)

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Both Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu were founder members of Akatsuki so they too like Orochimaru would probably have their coats somewhere:
White / Black Zetsu

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Spiral / Tobi / Obito

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I’ll leave one thought behind on where the manga could be headed. If the Shinju were no longer a great tree but the lineage of Kaguya (the pair having been joined together) then the Fruit of the Shinju might not be a fruit next time it grows. The Shinju is supposed to grow new fruit every thousand years:

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Maybe this generation is the new fruit. It’s not as though they have fruit features… oh wait:
Boruto and Himawari

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Cartoon Fruit

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Orochimaru’s Goal (?) … World Domination

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Really this is only speculation but Orochimaru's Experiments, the mystery of the Uchiha Massacre and the Children of the Shinju could be the connecting threads tying everything together to the Demon. I'm sure I'll change my mind about a lot of things as we learn more.

Great man ... enjoyed ur read as always brother! But i got a question that was bothering me from the begining... If Obito did tell Nagato to make organization Akatsuki , how come Obito still needs a ring to enter the org? Doesnt make sense...

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Didnt Nagato alrdy knew who is Obito?

ROHAN · May 6, 2015

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Great man ... enjoyed ur read as always brother! But i got a question that was bothering me from the begining... If Obito did tell Nagato to make organization Akatsuki , how come Obito still needs a ring to enter the org? Doesnt make sense...

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Didnt Nagato alrdy knew who is Obito?

I highly doubt Nagato knew Tobi's real identity. He always thought that Tobi was Madara. Nagato was just a puppet leader following the orders of Tobi/Madara who in reality was Obito to manage Akatsuki.

At that point, Madara was already dead to the shinobi world (This is before Tobi claimed he was Madara) and it was a given that he has to stay inconspicuous otherwise the other Akatsuki members will immediately suspect something (Itachi did suspect Tobi a lot though).

By retrieving the ring after Sasori's death (Something tells me the whole thing was staged though), Tobi ensured that he would be able to enter Akatsuki inconspicuously and have Akatsuki under greater control in his hands.

On the Sasori topic, it's interesting that Orochimaru shares a connection in achieving a perfect shell body (What the Void does). Sasori wanted to become a Human Puppet and obtain immortality. There is no way that Sasori could have achieved this by himself which tells me that Sasori and Orochimaru worked together to create Sasori's puupet body. Sasori and Orochimaru were even comrades in Akatsuki.

What cements this is that Sasori acts the same way as Danzo after Orochimaru's betrayal. He tries to get rid of Orochimaru.

Hyuuga Ootsutsuki · May 6, 2015

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I was going to wait for the chapter to come out but where’s the fun in that. The spoilers look legit so I’ll throw caution to the wind. I get a real horror movie vibe off the pair of them (I’m thinking Scanners, The Boys from Brazil and Blade Runner – niche old horror movies all). Here’re some rough ideas on who they might be and how they would fit in to the bigger story of the Demon.

A New Leaf

We’re not even two chapters in and we’ve already got three big mysteries… a Girl who’s unsure who her Parents are (and no I don’t mean Chocho), a Man in a Hood and an Albino Uchiha. I’ll assume straight off the bat that Kishi is going to have some fun with us and not tell us any time soon the real story behind these three. At the same time I figure we already know quite a lot about them if only we could work out which storylines they tie into. Assuming that the Demon is in fact behind everything I’m going to go ahead and speculate that all three are tied into the as yet unresolved mystery surrounding the Uchiha Massacre.

Roots in Darkness

While I don’t think that Black Zetsu will be making a reappearance anytime soon (last we saw him he was hurled into the core of a new Chibaku Tensei moon by Naruto) I do think that Black Zetsu provided some clues about the mysteries ahead.
Chibaku Tensei

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Black Zetsu did some awful things over the generations but Black Zetsu never aspired to anything more than resurrecting his mother. In that respect I would not consider, by any stretch of the imagination, Black Zetsu to be the final villain of the story. He was just a sad lonely creature who yearned for a family and spent generations attempting to resurrect a mother who he had never known:

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I figure he never knew his father either even though that’s the parent I figure he got his looks and personality from:

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We know very little about Black Zetsu’s creation. I imagine we will learn more about the Ootsutsuki and BZ’s origins as the story moves forward but for now I’ll stick to what we do know and we know that BZ’s mother was not just Kaguya but Kaguya joined with the Shinju:

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I would regard Kaguya as a failed experiment. Sure she ate the fruit of the Shinju but she did so only to end the wars that were ravaging humanity at that time:

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Initially I imagine her plan worked and she was able to end a great war and the people loved her for it… but then something changed. This was a cliffhanger left to us by Hagoromo before he departed for the afterlife:

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What changed is still something of a mystery but it would seem as though she underwent a transformation. She was fused with the Shinju – she only gave birth to BZ after she had turned into the Juubi:

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The Demon needs a body that can contain and control the power of the Shinju - A jinchuuriki is more powerful than the rampant beast:

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Kaguya was an unsuitable host for the Demon. Her body lost control of the power of the Shinju and she transformed into the Juubi:

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The next generation was not much better. Hagoromo became the second Jinchuuriki to the Juubi. He knew he could not control the full power of the beast and so he resorted to splitting its chakra:

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The reason why the Demon wants Sasuke as his host is that Sasuke has the potential to bring the full power of the Juubi under his control:

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The Demon doesn’t want just any host, he’s willing to wait for the right one:
Orochimaru and Sasuke sitting in a tree…

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A host that can contain the power of the Shinju is the main goal but it’s not the only one. The Demon also wanted an army. Over the thousands of years that have passed since Kaguya, that army has evolved…

The Unnatural Evolution of Zetsu

The first generation of Zetsu were simply the digested remains of those eaten by the Juubi, reformed into something new:

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The second generation of Zetsu were an improvement but the results were unreliable. Zetsu was made stronger through combining the remains of Hagoromo (the Gedo Mazo was his body that he sealed in the Moon) with a descendant of Kaguya who had inherited the power to control wood (probably inherited from the Shinju)… Hashirama Cells

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The quality of Madara’s efforts were low but the Demon went to work on creating something better… actual Hashirama clones made through grafting Hashirama cells onto foetuses (experiments that might not have been limited to cloning Hashirama see below for more):

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This research was taken one step further by combining Sharingan with Hashirama cells… this is what Orochimaru created to replace Danzo’s arm:

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Kabutorochimaru used the lessons from Orochimaru’s research in order to enhance Madara’s body:

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The natural evolution of these experiments is the creation of a White Zetsu with Sharingan … that’s what I think this guy is:

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He could simply be an Albino Uchiha but all the Uchiha were wiped out in the massacre with the exception of Obito, Itachi and Sasuke (Madara was already dead). His comments about Sasuke being a disgrace could be a planted memory (excuse the puns) or an echo from the Sharingan that were implanted – It’s not clear whether these new sharingan were created from scratch, implanted from Obito’s share of the Massacre or from Orochimaru’s stash (what would have remained after the eyes that were implanted in Danzo’s arm).
Unaccounted for eyes

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Hidden Roots

Who then is the other guy… the one in the Hood? This guy…

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Well the obvious answer would be Orochimaru. He still probably has his Cloak from the Akatsuki days:
Playing the fool(?)

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… and he kept his ring

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I doubt the guy in the Hood is actually Orochimaru. It would depend on how quickly Kishi wants to wrap up this story. If he were to try and do it in 10 chapters then that might be the case. I figure there is a long way to go before any kind of Orochimaru unmasking. Kishi drew out the Tobi mystery for what felt like forever and before the final reveal he inserted all kinds of misdirection…
Danzo is Tobi!!!

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Instead I wonder whether Orochimaru still has a lot of former members of Root still loyal to him. The organization is practically a cult dedicated to the Tree (by which I think they mean the Shinju) rather than to Konoha:
Unknown Member of the Nara Clan

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I kind of hope this Root member was Shikamaru’s dad and that the secret in the wooden box by his bed was his Root mask rather than a secret porn stash:

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If it wasn’t Shikamaru’s dad who gave Sai special orders then maybe the man under the hood is just another Nara member. It’s kind of hard to say.

Next up would be another Root Member who is currently unaccounted for. His name apparently is Tatsuma (the one threatening orphans):

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… but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was actually this guy’s dad who enlisted (or is that sacrificed) his own son into Orochimaru’s underground organization (I say Orochimaru’s organization because let’s face it Danzo was his guinea pig):

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Next up would be Homura

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He was implicated as one of the guys behind the Uchiha massacre. We know next to nothing about the guy except that Tsunade didn’t trust him. Tsunade was not best pleased with Shizune for informing on her to him (I figure he’s the mole because he wears glasses like so many of Orochimaru’s experiments but equally it could have been Koharu who helped swing the vote for in favour of massacring the Uchiha):

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If it did turn out that Sarada was the product of one of Orochimaru’s experiments then I wouldn’t be surprised if Homura was one of the first experiments - bad eyesight perhaps being one of the side effects of Orochimaru's cloning experiments:

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Kabuto has similar problems with his eyes

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as does Karin

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and Yamato

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…and maybe even Sai – he was raised in Root, has no recollection of his family - just his adopted brother (who died from an unspecified disease just like Itachi – perhaps another imperfect experiment), does not understand human interactions, has the pale skin of a Zetsu and looks like Sasuke apart from the eyes…
Sasuke Clone?

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Also not forgetting Nagato who had hazy memories of his parents but seemingly no recollection of his eyes being replaced by Madara’s eyes - maybe his earliest memories were implanted:
Activating Rinnegan

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Madara’s Eyes

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Personally I find it hard to believe that Orochimaru did not recognise he was in the presence of the Sage’s Eyes Reborn but that Jiraiya did…
Orochimaru feigning ignorance

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Jiraiya

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Spoiler warning in case you haven’t seen Naruto the Last but Toneri too seems to have grown up without any eyes until he transplanted somebody else’s… Hanabi’s… in order to activate the Tenseigan:

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I wouldn't be surprised if Orochimaru had tried cloning Uchiha but had been unable to because the eyes couldn't be replicated through genetics alone. Eyes in general might have been a stumbling block for the Snake. There are a disproportionate number of people who have bad eyes among Orochimaru's associates and guineapigs (whether in Root or Akatsuki). If Orochimaru had been able to clone Sasuke then he wouldn't need the original. A lot of those who have bad eyesight also had traumatic childhoods (the traditional means of activating Sharingan). Not only might their bodies have been engineered but their tragedies might have been as well so as to try and switch on their eyes.

If Orochimaru’s experiments are as widespread as I’m making out, and I’ll freely admit that it’s a big if, and were Sarada to be one of them then there would be a big question mark over how long she might live. Shin (Sai’s adopted brother from Root who looks like Kabuto), Itachi (Sasuke’s brother) and Kimimaro (Orochimaru’s intended host that didn’t make it) all died from a strange illness that has never been revealed. Replicants with an Expiry Date is the storyline of Blade Runner (if you haven't watched it it's worth the effort).
Shin Illness See Episode 263 Anime + Databooks

Kimimaro Illness:

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Sasuke searching for a cure could tie together Old and New Eras or at least fill up a couple of filler episodes.

Finally my last suggestion for the Man under the Hood would be Tobi or as we know him better Spiral Zetsu. I think that there is a chance that Spiral Zetsu was one of the original White Zetsu’s created in the aftermath of Hagoromo losing control of his Juubi Chakra (the reason why he sealed his body in the Moon). Tobi rather than being Tobidara (the will of Madara preserved in a Zetsu) would essentially be Tobindra (the original pissed off Uchiha who attempted to kill his brother until he was eaten by his father(?)):
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Of course Spiral would now be under the complete control of the Cursed Seal:

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I got the impression at least in the final chapter of Part 2 that the one following Sasuke was Spiral (the entwining bushes)

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Both Zetsu and Spiral Zetsu were founder members of Akatsuki so they too like Orochimaru would probably have their coats somewhere:
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I’ll leave one thought behind on where the manga could be headed. If the Shinju were no longer a great tree but the lineage of Kaguya (the pair having been joined together) then the Fruit of the Shinju might not be a fruit next time it grows. The Shinju is supposed to grow new fruit every thousand years:

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Maybe this generation is the new fruit. It’s not as though they have fruit features… oh wait:
Boruto and Himawari

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Orochimaru’s Goal (?) … World Domination

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Really this is only speculation but Orochimaru's Experiments, the mystery of the Uchiha Massacre and the Children of the Shinju could be the connecting threads tying everything together to the Demon. I'm sure I'll change my mind about a lot of things as we learn more.

Something confuses me though, about the whole plot of the Uchiha massacre.

There must have been members of the Uchiha who chose another life style than the one in the village, and the theory that some were on mission during the incident but since none ever returned to the village, perhaps in fear and went into hiding like what happened to the Uzumaki. Even Kurenai in 3rd anime episode quoted Sasuke as "A survivor of the Uchiha" instead of "The survivor of the Uchiha" pointing towards the massacre.
Survivor meaning victim, which shouldn't include the culprits. Which means there should be more survivors/victims, or more Uchiha existing who didn't fall prey to the massacre.

And then about how these two Uchiha who know about Itachi and Sasuke.

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About the one in Akatsuki cloak which resembles Spiral Zetsu/Tobi's:

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Tinfoil tippers like Minamoto scream Tobidara, but what intentions would he have for making other Uchiha rise up against Sasuke who seeks to restore the Uchiha clan.
And you can make out a mouth on the face of the cloaked person, which Spiral Zetsu doesn't have. And White Zetsu was killed by Sasuke, and the only original Akatsuki member left alive is Hidan but he didn't have any relation to Itachi or the Uchiha, so it all seems very unlikely.

Some say it could be Shisui, but even he had a tender heart for Sasuke and would understand Itachi, so I see no outcome for him wanting to avange Itachi by killing his little brother after all the sacrifice Itachi made.

Kabutorochimaru who studied White Zetsu throughly, and must have known about the room filled with Sharingans,
aswell as Orochimaru must have taken some genetic data from the Uchiha massacre itself due to the amount of bodies there must have been taken and used for research.

Kabuto after the effects of Itachi's Izanami, Itachi's feelings to protect Sasuke struck even Kabuto's heart, who even aims to return to the place he once called home:

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Unless Orochimaru managed to manipulate him again, as Kabuto is the only one I could see cappable of the cloaked man's choice of words, except for Tobi/Tobidara who wouldn't label Sasuke who chose clan instead of village as Madara did, as a disgrace to the Uchiha. He would rather label Itachi as a disgrace to the Uchiha for choosing village over clan. So he wouldn't have anything positive towards Itachi's sacrifice nor any negative about Sasuke.

My theory

These two must be apart of the Uchiha who wasn't prey to the massacre, or had parents who didn't live the village life-style.

Both Uchiha's choice of words sounds like they just or recently got told about Itachi's sacrifice and Sasuke, as their personal judgements of Sasuke was formed in that conversation.

What confuses me is how they sympathize Itachi and label Sasuke as a disgrace of the Uchiha clan.
Which means the story they've been told is a twisted version, or a reverse Tobidara who cares more about the Itachi and the village than Sasuke and the Uchiha clan.

The source of the information they've just or recently been told is in my mind unknown, as both a form of Tobidara
and Orochimaru without Kabuto seem to make no sense.

A form of Tobidara if not Orochimaru & Kabuto, is the highest possibility.

ROHAN · May 7, 2015

This recent chapter 2 had many developments which made me really amazed. This is telling me that Orochimaru and Spiral Zetsu are co-operating to get Sarada.

First off Mitsuki is not from Konoha. So, one possibility is that he is from Genyumari or Toneri's clan.

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But Mitsuki's statements to Sarada are highly reminiscent of Orochimaru which shows that Mitsuki may be Orochimaru in disguise.

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Orochimaru's similar behaviour to Kabuto.

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Again, his look at Sarada and his half Black and White robes are again reminiscent of Orochimaru.

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The Blonde Uchiha is stated to be an experiment of Orochimaru.

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But The Blonde Uchiha has an connection with the God Tree telling me that he might be a White Zetsu. That's because the stump on which the Cloaked man is standing on is actually the stump of the God Tree.

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This is the stump of the God Tree in Part 2.

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The cloaked man might be Spiral Zetsu considering the chain of events in Part 2.

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Sir Trent Reznor said:
While, the main characters very busy fighting; Orochimaru was going on the course of his true plan. Orochimaru was the one who infected Spiral Zetsu with the Curse seal bending him to his will.

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The God Tree was first released by Obito (Which Spiral Zetsu/Tobi used as a vessel).

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The God Tree was absorbed by Madara after he got influenced by the Demon.

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The God Tree was released by Madara when Mugen Tsukuyomi was casted to bind everyone in the genjutsu.

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Kaguya (Rabbit) in Madara's body did not have the God Tree and it was not sealed away with the Gedo Mazou.

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The God Tree does not appears in the Separation/Sealing process either.

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The God Tree was still there after Kaguya was sealed.

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Once Mugen Tsukuyomi dissolves, The God Tree starts to die off. But, the God Tree is immortal and cannot die. In Reality, it was being absorbed.

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By none other than Spiral Zetsu as he transforms into a tree.

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The Spiral/God Tree stalks Sasuke in Chapter 700.

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The stump of the God Tree dissapeared after Spiral Zetsu absorbed it. (That Huge Crater).

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The White Zetsu material could have come from the Stump of the God Tree, whereas the Sharingan came from Spiral Tobi's Sharingan collection.

Sharingan.

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+ White Zetsu Material from God Tree's stump.

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= Sharingan White Zetsu with inhuman behavior.

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The Blonde Uchiha is just a distraction cause this is very similar to what happened in Part 1.

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The Chunnin exam is coming which can create a storm as Naruto and Sasuke are out of Konoha.

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This distraction can make it easy for Orochimaru to claim his prize Sarada. Foreshadowing :-

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Seems like Orochimaru and Spiral Zetsu are working together.

UnknownJin · May 7, 2015

Sir Trent Reznor said:
This recent chapter 2 had many developments which made me really amazed. This is telling me that Orochimaru and Spiral Zetsu are co-operating to get Sarada.

First off Mitsuki is not from Konoha. So, one possibility is that he is from Genyumari or Toneri's clan.

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But Mitsuki's statements to Sarada are highly reminiscent of Orochimaru which shows that Mitsuki may be Orochimaru in disguise.

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Orochimaru's similar behaviour to Kabuto.

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Again, his look at Sarada and his half Black and White robes are again reminiscent of Orochimaru.

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The Blonde Uchiha is stated to be an experiment of Orochimaru.

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But The Blonde Uchiha has an connection with the God Tree telling me that he might be a White Zetsu. That's because the stump on which the Cloaked man is standing on is actually the stump of the God Tree.

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This is the stump of the God Tree in Part 2.

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The cloaked man might be Spiral Zetsu considering the chain of events in Part 2.

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The stump of the God Tree dissapeared after Spiral Zetsu absorbed it. (That Huge Crater).

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The White Zetsu material could have come from the Stump of the God Tree, whereas the Sharingan came from Spiral Tobi's Sharingan collection.

Sharingan.

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+ White Zetsu Material from God Tree's stump.

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= Sharingan White Zetsu with inhuman behavior.

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The Blonde Uchiha is just a distraction cause this is very similar to what happened in Part 1.

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The Chunnin exam is coming which can create a storm as Naruto and Sasuke are out of Konoha.

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This distraction can make it easy for Orochimaru to claim his prize Sarada. Foreshadowing :-

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Seems like Orochimaru and Spiral Zetsu are working together.

I think he does have some connections with Orochimaru and Zetsu his outfit resembles Black/White Zetsu/ Black/White

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ROHAN · May 7, 2015

UnknownJin said:
I think he does have some connections with Orochimaru and Zetsu his outfit resembles Black/White Zetsu/ Black/White

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Looking at his black-white clothing style again, I wonder if Kishi took inspiration from 666 Satan again.

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davidou · May 7, 2015

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Looking at his black-white clothing style again, I wonder if Kishi took inspiration from 666 Satan again.

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Itama and Blue b have this style , Blue b have the white on his right side like Mitsuki and unlike Itama...

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Rabbit Teth · May 8, 2015

So the spoilers were true… I like where this is headed. Sorry if I don't reply to all the points raised above. Mostly I think things are looking pretty good for the Demon making his move (even if I am biased)… here're some reasons why:

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I don’t plan on doing this for every chapter but I thought it might be worth going through a couple of the panels and picking out some of the more important details. There was a lot to take in.

First up is Shrub’s Weapon (he doesn’t have a name yet but he looks like a Shrub and Albino Uchiha just doesn’t roll off the tongue – plus Albinos are very badly treated in a lot of countries so I wouldn’t want to add to the negative perception of them).
Shrub

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His weapon looks like a Kusarigama (鎖鎌 / a “chain-sickle”)

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The weapon is made up of three parts. The Kama is the Sickle – a blade at a right angle to a shaft. The Kusari is the Chain… and at the end of the chain is a weight called a Fundo. There is a special fighting style associated with the weapon called Kusarigamajutsu. Basically the chain and weight are used to immobilize or distract the enemy before striking with the Sickle.
Kusarigama IRL

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Using the Fundo to immobilize (Sasuke counters with lightning)

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Recently the new Daredevil series on Netflix produced a really great fight using this weapon. I hope the Anime for the New Era Project can equal or surpass this:

[video=youtube;G4TJWBT77uA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4TJWBT77uA[/video]

This is reminiscent of weapons used by Madara’s and Obito’s over the years. Obito started off by using a chain in conjunction with his phasing ability to trap enemies:

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Madara (and his protégé) used a fan and sickle on a chain. The Uchiha take their name and their crest from the fan (Uchiha means fan). Madara’s fan in real life is called a Gunbai or Gunbai Uchiwa. It was used by Samurai commanders for a couple of different purposes (think of it as a sort of Swiss Army Knife).
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First and foremost such weapons were used as a fan like any other to keep cool. It gets hot on the battlefield in the mid day sun especially in full armour and even more so in Japan which can be a hot country. Second it was used as a Banner. Gunbai were often decorative items embellished with clan and religious symbols. Third it was a signaling device. On the battlefield Samurai commanders could use the fan to send orders over great distances, in the same way that Ship commanders used to use semaphore (communication using flags). Finally the fans were actually used as weapons in their own right. Samurai would conceal weapons within the fans in order to bypass security or enhance the fans with hidden blades and armour (used to stop arrows and throwing knives). Minamoto no Yoshitsune, a famous Japanese warrior, is said to have defeated defeated Saitō Musashibō Benkei, a warrior monk, with a tessen (the name of a special war fan). The art of fighting with war fans is considered an art in its own right called tessenjutsu.
A Gunbai Uchiwa

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Shrub's weapon is therefore very much in keeping with an Uchiha heritage, even if he looks like no Uchiha we've ever seen before. One thing about Shrub’s weapon is that it looks a lot like a special White Zetsu style creation. Yamatobi (Yamato under Spiral) employed a unique staff that was able to skewer opponents at will made from what looks like the same material…
Yamatobi’s Staff

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The chains on Shrub’s Kusarigama are white like Yamatobi’s staff instead of black like Madara’s chains. This could be entirely insignificant but it might point to the new generation of Zetsu being related to the Uzumaki who also use white chains:

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In contrast to the Inyouton / Onmyouton Chains that bound the Gedo Mazo in Madara’s Lair:

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Tobi made of White Zetsu material but growing Black Inyouton / Onmyouton Rods:
Obito Zetsu transplant rods

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Spiral Tobi Rods (Only Zetsu Half grows Black Rods)

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Second up is the continuing question mark over Sarada’s origins. Previously we had Sarada asking why she had glasses while neither of her supposed parents had them. This time we learned that Sarada could not find any record of her birth:

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We know nothing conclusive yet but my guess would be that if Sarada wasn’t born in Konoha then she is more likely to have come out some installation more akin to this:

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There are certainly suspicions that Orochimaru’s experiments have gotten underway again:

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Third up, Naruto seems to be dividing himself too thinly. While Naruto and Sasuke go and visit Orochimaru:

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It seems as though Orochimaru might indeed have snuck into Konoha and signed up to the Academy:

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A passing resemblance

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I’d guess that if Naruto is capable of using a clone to pretend he is still running the Leaf while going on a mission, then Orochimaru is capable of using a clone to pretend he is innocent while infiltrating the Leaf. Orochimaru was able to sneak into the Sand (under the pretence of selling the services of Akatsuki), kill the Kazekage and launch an invasion of the Leaf all without the Kazekage's children and the Sand's higher ups even noticing.

One final note on Mitsuki’s outfit. His Black and White Robes recall the designs of both Gyuuki’s former Jinchuuriki...
Mitsuki's Robes:
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…and Itama, Hashirama's Younger Brother

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Blue B was killed by Orochimaru (he was poisoned by Oro and Gyuuki’s horn ended up in the Snake’s collection)

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While Roots surrounded Itama’s corpse (which raises questions about the potential involvement of Zetsu in the Uchiha / Senju War – though that’s a big stretch as far as I’m concerned but who knows…)

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Finally we got a few more details about the Hooded Akatsuki. He appears to be most proficient with Mokuton:

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This level of mokuton makes me think the Spiral survived the War after all, however there is the possibility that Spiral / Tobi simply transferred into Yamato.

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Mokuton is not just a physical attack but can be used a specialist Genjutsu. When Obito made his play to become the Jinchuuriki to the Juubi, his mind was torn apart by his White Zetsu based transplant:

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Kakashi might be wrong to trust Yamato as the one to watch over Orochimaru:

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What was released by Spiral could be under Tobi (Spiral)’s control or equally could still be under the command of the Cursed Seal:

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Some last thoughts on Akatsuki as an organization. The original organization was set up by Nagato, Yahiko and Konan as freedom fighters but the group quickly fell prey not just to Team Tobi (Madara / Obito / BZ / Spiral Zetsu)

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… but also to Root (perhaps under Orochimaru’s control)

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… and was infiltrated by Orochimaru, who was not blindly recruited to Akatsuki but had already positioned his man under Sasori before he was ever approached to join the organisation:

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Orochimaru might not have been directly controlling either Akatsuki or Root but he has been in the shadows as both parties have made their moves and not just in the formation of Akatsuki but in orchestrating the Uchiha Massacre as well:

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The balance is finely poised, perhaps it’s time for the Snake to make his move. There are a lot of signs that make me think Orochimaru’s experiments have been coming to fruition (Uchiha / Senju leading to Shrub and Uzumaki / Uchiha leading to Sarada):

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davidou · May 8, 2015

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Finally we got a few more details about the Hooded Akatsuki. He appears to be most proficient with Mokuton:

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This level of mokuton makes me think the Spiral survived the War after all, however there is the possibility that Spiral / Tobi simply transferred into Yamato.

It looks more like Doton , the cliffs behind have the same "structure" , it looks like the jutsu comes from the ground and is made of the same material as the ground.
But the idea that Yamato is a spy is interesting to keep in mind.

The form of the jutsu made me think to Sheesha and Uzumaki's symbol.

I don't see anybody talking about Kabuto being the mysterious man again.
Izanami must have changed his mind , he must have found a new goal to escape this jutsu , this new vision , this new life is due to Itachi's smartness and mercy.
This new Kabuto has to respect Itachi more than his own father ( he doesn't know him , easy lol ).
Itachi must be a god for Kabuto.

I just don't see why Kabuto would save Sasuke during the war (was he really trying to save him? ; Did Kabuto have really an effect on Sasuke's revival?) and now plan to kill him.

ROHAN · May 8, 2015

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It looks more like Doton , the cliffs behind have the same "structure" , it looks like the jutsu comes from the ground and is made of the same material as the ground.
But the idea that Yamato is a spy is interesting to keep in mind.

The form of the jutsu made me think to Sheesha and Uzumaki's symbol.

Hmm, it could very well be Wood Release though. Earth is rough, but it won't have a scaly pattern like that. The way it's drawn tells me that it's Wood Release and might be the God Tree in a shell like form. The god Tree is a shell currently so it has scales ? Who knows.

If it is the God Tree, then it would explain the Uchiha boy being a White Zetsu. About the cliffs, it seems to be a wall of Wood Release erected for Defense. Cliffs are rough at the top, those are beams instead. If it is for defense, it makes sense cause Spiral will protect the God Tree at all costs espescially since to me it seems the stump is growing.

I think the roots of the God Tree form a Cresent Moon (Maybe foreshadowing of Spiral being Indra ?) and the Uchiha White Zetsu was formed from those overhanging roots.

davidou · May 8, 2015

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Hmm, it could very well be Wood Release though. Earth is rough, but it won't have a scaly pattern like that. The way it's drawn tells me that it's Wood Release and might be the God Tree in a shell like form. The god Tree is a shell currently so it has scales ? Who knows.

If it is the God Tree, then it would explain the Uchiha boy being a White Zetsu. About the cliffs, it seems to be a wall of Wood Release erected for Defense. Cliffs are rough at the top, those are beams instead. If it is for defense, it makes sense cause Spiral will protect the God Tree at all costs espescially since to me it seems the stump is growing.

I think the roots of the God Tree form a Cresent Moon (Maybe foreshadowing of Spiral being Indra ?) and the Uchiha White Zetsu was formed from those overhanging roots.

You may be right , I looked closely at the base of the "jutsu" , and we see a diiference between the broken ground where the jutsu comes from and the jutsu.

The cliff looks more like the "jutsu" than like the broken ground where the jutsu comes from , that cliff may be made of wood too.

And that makes things interesting , Mokuton release is pretty rare , a Mokuton of this scale is pretty amazing.
There is one common point between all the mokuton users , they have some cells of Hashirama (Yamato , Obito , Madara , white Zetsus...).

Who have some Hashirama cells?
Orochimaru for sure , Yamato and white Zetsus too , anyone else?

ROHAN · May 8, 2015

davidou said:
You may be right , I looked closely at the base of the "jutsu" , and we see a diiference between the broken ground where the jutsu comes from and the jutsu.

The cliff looks more like the "jutsu" than like the broken ground where the jutsu comes from , that cliff may be made of wood too.

And that makes things interesting , Mokuton release is pretty rare , a Mokuton of this scale is pretty amazing.
There is one common point between all the mokuton users , they have some cells of Hashirama (Yamato , Obito , Madara , white Zetsus...).

Who have some Hashirama cells?
Orochimaru for sure , Yamato and white Zetsus too , anyone else?

Actually, Wood Release does not trace back to Hashirama, it traces back to the God Tree. Hashirama is not the origin, it's the God Tree. This is why Hashirama's cells and White Zetsus are compatible with the God Tree and have similar powers.

Angelic. · May 8, 2015

i dont really agree that swirly survived and did the stuff your saying, but i had an idea there might be a swirly thats inversed shaped like the depiction of the fruits right side. with no convienient eyehole lol. maybe it awoke at some point

i cant realy tell if the cloud on the cloak looks backwards to me. like a mirror image. it would match reverse swirly. just some ideas that came into my mind.

also i think mitsukis villiage is new and may have been created around the base of the shinju bc why not. it was in need of reconstruction there. it may be the place where these new people are from since the guy is standing on what looks like a tree stump he made. i see trees in the backround too so it must be outside somewhere.

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