The Debunking of two Theories!

[chaos control]

I have to debunk your 1st point.

The theory that Naruto will become a pseudo 10 tails jinchuuriki is not depending on Gaara having already had some Shukaku chakara remaining. We believe that Shukaku may have given him some as a part of Kurama's plan just before getting sealed back into the mazou. Therefore, Gaara would not have had to be a pseudo jinchuuriki because we are saying that he just got the chakara now.

You seem to be under the impression that we thought that Gaara simply kept some remnants of Shukaku's chakara after Shukaku was extracted. That is not the case however. You are right in that all of Shukaku's chakara got extracted upon extraction. We are simply saying that Shukaku gave Gaara some chakara just now.

Dear OP, I thought you wanted an argument. Here is an argument ^^^. Let's debate.

 

[-Spoiler-]

Then can you explain how he gets Gyuki's chakra?

This above is your own opinion but most of what I have seen have a similar form to what I have debunked.

This is the Biggest mistake you made so far. obito use the tail that gyuki cut off to become the ten tails jin and before madara sealed all the beast gyuki removed another tail.

 

[chaos control]

Then can you explain how he gets Gyuki's chakra?

This above is your own opinion but most of what I have seen have a similar form to what I have debunked.

That tentacle that Gyuki cut off will be the source of Gyuki's chakara. Also, disregard the comment saying "Dear OP I thought you wanted an argument..." because I must have been typing that while you were still typing your reply.

 

[rollin]

I agree with both things you said
Naruto doesn't even have the bijuus chakra they got it back when he used it to pull the bijuus out of obito
That's why they gave it to him

 

[abiolaa1]

Kushina was already going to die after d biju was extracted from her, but doesn't die immediately, she wanted to seal d biju back and die with it, since she will soon die but not because sealing a biju back will kill her.

2 we have been to by zetsu that the jubi jinchuriken are different, they don't die after d jubi is extracted from them. D example of d sage of six paths, he extracted d jubi, divided them, seal d shell into d moon etc

 

[NaruSasuRival]

THEORY 1

The Pseudo-jinchuriki Theory:

States that Naruto is going to get bits of all the tailed beasts's chakra and transform into a sage-like being.

Argument:

Now, let us analyze a similar situation. Obito. If people believe that Gaara retained some of shukaku's chakra after it was removed from him, which is not true, then shouldn't obito who once had all the chakra of the beasts in him be a pseudo jinchuriki and be able to survive even when the gedo mazou was removed from him? Well, that is not the case as it was even stated in the manga that he will die without the gedo mazou albeit fulfilling all the requirements of becoming a "psedo-jinchuriki".
Ever wonder why this is so? This is because since from the on set, a wrong assumption was made about Gaara. Gaara never retained any chakra from the shukaku, the only reason why he was able to pull shukaku's chakra from obito was because he was "compatible" as stated by Chiyo since his birth, that was the same reason why shukaku was sealed in him in the first place and not his siblings because Gaara was compatible. Now if you still insist that Gaara has the shukaku's chakra in him, then shouldn't he be using wind by now?

Nevertheless, this could happen as a reason of plot but even if it happens how is Naruto who only has bits of chakra from the tailed beats defeat Madara who swims in a pool of beast chakra(this is if he becomes the jinchuriki of the juubi)?

Status:
Debunked.

I don't know what about being a Pseudo-Jinchuriki since Kishi never define such thing in the manga. However, you are wrong on one fact: Gaara had some of Shukaku's chakra in him. The evidence for this appeared when the Biju came out of Obito. Only people who had the chakra of a Biju could pull out that Biju.

- Naruto + most SA had the chakra of 7 bijus, and they pull out these.
- Gaara had Shukaku's chakra, so he pull out Shukaku
- Killer Bee had octopus, so he pull out Octopus

Status: Debunk not confirm because Naruto will have some of Kyuubi's chakra inside him. However, it would not be enough to perform any Jutsus with it.

THEORY 2

The Other Half Transfer:

States that Minato will seal the other half of Kurama into Naruto thus reviving him.

Argument:

Is this seriously what people think? Do you remember kushina, Naruto's mother? Do you remember her affair with Minato about the beast, Kurama?
If you have been reading the manga attentively then you would remember a scene in the manga when Kushina suggested that she reseals the beast in her and die with it and then Minato refused, his argument being that the beast will revive after sometime. This should be enough to show that it is not possible to reseal a beast in a person as a measure for him to survive after it has been forcefully removed.
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Status:
Debunked.

Hope you guys can reason with me, I am no naruto hater though. All I have said above is only logical but we all no Masashi has put all logic behind him. I wanted to debunk a third theory which is Sasuke getting the rinnegan so soon without even having senju DNA (chakra is not DNA) but I am not ready for a headache just yet.

Well, this is partially true as well. Note that after Kurama's extraction, Kushina could perform her chakra chains Jutsus. This means she still had some life force. My opinion is that she fought she would die because there was no medic ninja to heal her. Besides, if Naruto get Yin Kurama seal in him while he is still alive, he will heal himself with the chakra of the beast. This is a possibility, but I hate that possibility.

My guess is that Naruto will heal on his own.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

I have to debunk your 1st point.

The theory that Naruto will become a pseudo 10 tails jinchuuriki is not depending on Gaara having already had some Shukaku chakara remaining. We believe that Shukaku may have given him some as a part of Kurama's plan just before getting sealed back into the mazou. Therefore, Gaara would not have had to be a pseudo jinchuuriki because we are saying that he just got the chakara now.

You seem to be under the impression that we thought that Gaara simply kept some remnants of Shukaku's chakara after Shukaku was extracted. That is not the case however. You are right in that all of Shukaku's chakara got extracted upon extraction. We are simply saying that Shukaku gave Gaara some chakara just now.

Something also that I have thought of is that those chains restrain any type of bijou chakra, so when madara pulled out kyubi, since the chains are suppose to hold any bijou chakra, then I guess the chakra of the other tailed beasts that were given to naruto were removed as well, further debunking the pseudo-jinchuriki theory. What do you say about this?

 

[Flakez]

Then can you explain how he gets Gyuki's chakra?

This above is your own opinion but most of what I have seen have a similar form to what I have debunked.

Gyuuki cut of part of his tentacle.

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[Hafiz Dembos]

Gyuuki cut of part of his tentacle.

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But Gaara did not even pick up the tail. Check the post above you. I am interested in what Shelke is going to say, by the way has anyone seen Kidgamer, Genii96, T Bogard, Blazekev, USSJ Future trunks and the likes?

 

[shelke]

Agreed completely. The fact that Gaara was robbed of every bit of Biijuu chakra that resulted in his death, should be a good point here. But Kishimoto is known to break rules to make new, and equally ludicrous plot points. The main one being Gaara's ability to pull One-tails, which was nothing but non-sense.

Kishimoto will most likely throw in a Bijuu-residual-charka for a good measure to save Naruto's skin. What I don't understand is, why opt for such a drastic plot-turn, when you are aware that it nullifies a previously established plot-devise? Weird.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Agreed completely. The fact that Gaara was robbed of every bit of Biijuu chakra that resulted in his death, should be a good point here. But Kishimoto is known to break rules to make new, and equally ludicrous plot points. The main one being Gaara's ability to pull One-tails, which was nothing but non-sense.

Kishimoto will most likely throw in a Bijuu-residual-charka for a good measure to save Naruto's skin. What I don't understand is, why opt for such a drastic plot-turn, when you are aware that it nullifies a previously established plot-devise? Weird.

Yeah that is how kishi is. But about Gaara pulling shukaku out, that was because he was compatible with the beast since his birth, I guess that is why he was able to pull it out.

 

[shelke]

I didn't see the second point: Resealing shouldn't save a Jinchuriki, as the initial exaction results in death in the first place. The only reason why Naruto is holding out a bit longer is because of his hybridity - he's half-Uzumaki. Kushina and Uzumakis have special life-force that makes them resist immediate death after the Bijuu is extracted, but it's just prolonging the inevitable.

Nothing in the manga suggests that sealing the other half would save Naruto's life. Though I am curious, what nonsense Kiahimoto will concoct to carry this forward. It would be highly ridiculous though.

 

[Kirikoe]

i coompletely agree both theorys were unlikely but as you have said yourself kishi has a habit of going back on what he has said previously in the manga..

either way i believe naruto and sasuke will most likely die and meet the sage in the afterlife.. a bit like kakashi and his father.. then either being revived by obito using rinnegan or the sage does something to turn them away from death..

 

[shelke]

Yeah that is how kishi is. But about Gaara pulling shukaku out, that was because he was compatible with the beast since his birth, I guess that is why he was able to pull it out.

Whilst one can make a case for the point you made here, it's merely a hypothesis. Gaara was just a vessel like the old man before him was. Once the chakra is gone, the affinity should vanish as well. I still don't understand how he was able to pull at one-tails without any Chakra link whatsoever. It's never explained in the manga. Not once. Just another unexplained plot-hole if you ask me.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

I didn't see the second point: Resealing shouldn't save a Jinchuriki, as the initial exaction results in death in the first place. The only reason why Naruto is holding out a bit longer is because of his hybridity - he's half-Uzumaki. Kushina and Uzumakis have special life-force that makes them resist immediate death after the Bijuu is extracted, but it's just prolonging the inevitable.

Nothing in the manga suggests that sealing the other half would save Naruto's life. Though I am curious, what nonsense Kiahimoto will concoct to carry this forward. It would be highly ridiculous though.

Well, these were all misconceptions by members on the base so I set out to prove them wrong as they have become rampant and annoying.

i coompletely agree both theorys were unlikely but as you have said yourself kishi has a habit of going back on what he has said previously in the manga..

either way i believe naruto and sasuke will most likely die and meet the sage in the afterlife.. a bit like kakashi and his father.. then either being revived by obito using rinnegan or the sage does something to turn them away from death..

Yeah. I don't really see Sasuke's use anymore, he needs to die, his original purpose was to fight Naruto in the end which is not happening, so he should die + he has built a very annoying fan base.

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

Whilst one can make a case for the point you made here, it's merely a hypothesis. Gaara was just a vessel like the old man before him was. Once the chakra is gone, the affinity should vanish as well. I still don't understand how he was able to pull at one-tails without any Chakra link whatsoever. It's never explained in the manga. Not once. Just another unexplained plot-hole if you ask me.

But the beast was only sealed in Gaara because he was compatible with it, if Gaara was just a vessel then the beast should have been sealed in Kankuro or Temari or any other person for that matter but because of compatibility issues it was not done, anyway I don't have anything against it being a plot hole but what I have said is the most likely explanation.

 

[Bogard]

It's a nice thread, but i already knew it(well talking about the second point at least). I don't know as well why people think Naruto would survive if Minato gives him Kyubi's chakra when Kushina already mentioned she would die regardless, but i guess there not quick-thinkers on the base anymore, so most of the time i let it be because these days i don't really want to bother explaining things to brainless people especially since the manga would give a natural answer to them sooner or later.

As for the first point however, i also found it strange that Gaara despite not being the Jinchuriki of Shukaku anymore, to be capable to pull chakra out of Obito and til now i still don't understand why. The only answer that could come into my mind is that Shukaku's chakra used to mix naturally with Gaara's when he was a Jinchuriki and thus even without being one, he still remained with some Shukaku's chakra in him, but the point you made about being compatible is good as well, though i don't find it greatly explained in the manga, and the fact Kishi barely takes time to explain things lately makes me wonder if we'll really have an answer

I don't think he will be save this way anyway and hope Kishi's asspull will be logical

 

[paratise]

I agree, but Kishi can Break his own rules anytime...

 

[Hafiz Dembos]

It's a nice thread, but i already knew it(well talking about the second point at least). I don't know as well why people think Naruto would survive if Minato gives him Kyubi's chakra when Kushina already mentioned she would die regardless, but i guess there not quick-thinkers on the base anymore, so most of the time i let it be because these days i don't really want to bother explaining things to brainless people especially since the manga would give a natural answer to them sooner or later.

As for the first point however, i also found it strange that Gaara despite not being the Jinchuriki of Shukaku anymore, to be capable to pull chakra out of Obito and til now i still don't understand why. The only answer that could come into my mind is that Shukaku's chakra used to mix naturally with Gaara's when he was a Jinchuriki and thus even without being one, he still remained with some Shukaku's chakra in him, but the point you made about being compatible is good as well, though i don't find it greatly explained in the manga, and the fact Kishi barely takes time to explain things lately makes me wonder if we'll really have an answer

I don't think he will be save this way anyway and hope Kishi's asspull will be logical

I don't believe that Gaara retained any of shukaku's chakra because the sealing jutsu used was meant to locate and remove any and all bijuu chakra within the jinchuriki, that is why I also believe that Naruto has lost all his bijuu chakra including those he received from other tailed beasts(2-7).

 

[shelke]

But the beast was only sealed in Gaara because he was compatible with it, if Gaara was just a vessel then the beast should have been sealed in Kankuro or Temari or any other person for that matter but because of compatibility issues it was not done, anyway I don't have anything against it being a plot hole but what I have said is the most likely explanation.

No, you misunderstood me. What I said is that he is as compatible as any other Jin before him or as other Jins. But the affinity should be gone. Remember, he was literally dried up of all the Bijuu Chakra. There shouldn't be anything let within him.

Though it's a plausible explanation but it doesn't detract from the fact that it's a gaping plot-hole given the earlier established plot devise. Which was my whole point. Let's hope whatever he introduces is at least ... somewhat logical and not like the fiasco that Minato and his Jin status was and still is - A blatant slap on the face of TWO main plot-facts. Lol