The Byakugan Is Quite Suited To Fight The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (Explained)

[Maunten]

I'm not saying your thread is crazy. I'm saying that it's crazy that I'm the only one saying anything(right now) in Sasuke's defense. And please read the title of the thread. It is saying Byakugan is suited to fighting EMS. Neji can attack Susanoo but that doesn't mean it will harm Susanoo. The only way to hurt Susanoo is to drag the user out of Susanoo, use sound to disrupt chakra flow, or use a high powered attack to break Susanoo. Also, Sasuke knows blaze release which would burn Neji to a crisp(maybe). Sasuke can also use Amaterasu as a a defense and even Kabuto said that Sasuke used the best offense as the best defense. And 3 tomoe is not better than byakugan because it was 3 tomoe sharingan that saw through Itachi's genjutsu and forced Itachi to bring out Susanoo. Neji just cannot win.

Well every ninjutsu is chakra that has to be molded, Tsunade was able to crack a susanoo rib when big ball rasengan could not, why is that, her punch is not more powerful than powerful large ball of pure dense chakra.

It was because she uses concentrated chakra to enhance her attacks, she is a med-nin and thus she has great chakra control, and uses this to her advantage as a way to enhance her Taijutsu, it is actually a form of Taijutsu in NU and can be looked up.

The Hyuga as a clan specialise in chakra based Taijutsu that is enhanced by the precision granted by the Byakugan and they also have even better chakra control than Tsunade.

They can use Vacuum Palm which creates a pocket of tenketsu expelled chakra to travel through vacuum to deliver a high powered blow and with the precision granted by the Byakugan to hit vital points.

This attack has been used before to disrupt the chakra flow of a ninjutsu, destroying it's form.

When the chakra flow of a ninjutsu is disrupted the whole form of the ninjutsu is disrupted, ninjutsu is chakra given nature, and molded by the shinobi, if the molding falls about the jutsu ends.

This is how Neji can destroy susanoo, not with overwhelming power like that of a TBB, or another uchiha, but with the precision available only to Byakugan users, to move one thing out of place and cause the whole structure to collapse.

 

[Maunten]

+ rep great thread . Your argument was presented well ! The hyuuga is the strongest clan in the leaf . And shouldnt be underestimated. I agree that byakugan is better suited than most, to deal with sasuke ems abilities!!! But im not saying neji> sasuke because he has other jutsu ,summoning,fire,lighting that dont require his ems.

Thanks.

I was not saying that Neji > Sasuke either but I think that both have the potential to defeat each other.

Also the point of this thread was to show that the Bykaguan has be underestimate because it's attacks are precision based.

 

[GreenV]

Thread should be renamed.

Also I feel sorry because Sasuke > Neji it's Kishi's fault he focused on main characters too much.

 

[Konohas Itachi]

I'm not saying your thread is crazy. I'm saying that it's crazy that I'm the only one saying anything(right now) in Sasuke's defense. And please read the title of the thread. It is saying Byakugan is suited to fighting EMS. Neji can attack Susanoo but that doesn't mean it will harm Susanoo. The only way to hurt Susanoo is to drag the user out of Susanoo, use sound to disrupt chakra flow, or use a high powered attack to break Susanoo. Also, Sasuke knows blaze release which would burn Neji to a crisp(maybe). Sasuke can also use Amaterasu as a a defense and even Kabuto said that Sasuke used the best offense as the best defense. And 3 tomoe is not better than byakugan because it was 3 tomoe sharingan that saw through Itachi's genjutsu and forced Itachi to bring out Susanoo. Neji just cannot win.

Remember Sasukes sharingan is mastered to the full extent because he spent alot of time with a 3 tomoe sharingan unlike other Uchihas. It all depends on the user because comparing someone who mastered ninjustu(sasuke) and a genjustu user(Itachi) to Neji would be totally different.

As a general statement, i believe:
Byakugan> 3 Tomoe
Byakugan> MS
^Neji could easily break genjustu if he can disrupt others chakra flow
^If tsuande could break a susano by punching it, neji could break it with gentle fist because of the pressure. Danzo weakened Sasukes by the pressure of the wind.
^Neji could get rid of Amaterasu if Danzo could use wind ninjustu to throw the Amaterasu flames off Susanoo
^MS users get blind and weakened
EMS> Byakugan
^Neji would get owned just because sharingan users dont suffer side effects and experienced at this stage

 

[Maunten]

Thread should be renamed.

Also I feel sorry because Sasuke > Neji it's Kishi's fault he focused on main characters too much.

What should it be called lol?

Well not sure if Sasuke out rightly > Neji, but that's another debate anyway.

I really focussing on counters for EMS attacks and possibly battle strategy for Neji.

A lot of the time the main characters say wow to what Sasuke can do, in part one we had a lot of genius characters that have fallen to the wayside because the plot surrounds Senju and Uchiha.

Sasuke is powerful I never said he is weak, also to the one that called me an uchiha hater...lol

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How can you hate something this cool?

I just wanted to point out that Byakugan can battle EMS efficiently.

Neji is also powerful, the only thing that makes him look like a fodder is because he is not getting screen time like Sasuke.

Gonna sleep now, so no rebuts from me for now.​

 

[Styles]

Again

 

[Dribbles]

So i actually think 3-tomoe Sharingan Sasuke has a better chance of beating Neji after reading this.

All thanks to his epic sword that until killer bee can cut through anything xD

 

[Sasuke of the akatsuki]

1.When I said predictive abilities I meant looking at the chakra flow of the susanoo or the user to tell when they are about to use the arrow, and then start chakra rotation.

2.alright then how about this,

"A tree is on fire, another epidermis forms from the inside out rapidly (chakra envelope seeping out rapidly as shown in the OP), then explodes off."

Is the fire still on the tree?

3. I don't know dude, it seems like they need to have eye contact if Sasuke can't see his eyes how do they have eye contact??

eye con·tact
Noun:
The state in which two people are aware of looking directly into one another's eyes.
More info »Wikipedia - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster

4. I thought you were talking about mobility, well the only option for neji is to disrupt the chakra of the susanoo's arm punching at him, causing it to dissipate, Since vacuum palm takes nowhere near as much time to use, it's like a chakra punch.

Also I want to add that tsunades strength comes from enhanced chakra control and with it she was able to crack Madara's susanoo, which is stronger than Sasuke.

Gentle Fist is even more advanced than her's as it actually expels chakra and it attacks specific points weak only visible to Byakugan users.

Vacuum palm should be able to disrupt susanoo's chakra flow successfully

sasuke couldn't see KB's eyes but Kb could see Sasuke's which is why he was brough under his gen.

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Even Itachi brought KB under a Gen because again Kb could still look at itachi's/Sasuke's eyes

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Itachi even follows up by saying "Don't look directly into my eyes" meaning that they don't have to be in direct physical eye contact to cast a Gen.

So Neji could possibly be caught in sasuke's gen.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Great points you have here man
I always knew Neji can take Sasuke

+Rep For going in depth with this
I wish Kishi show us how much Neji improve by letting him fight Sasuke, but not by beating him cause it would make Sasuke look bad
But probaly to the point of retreat

 

[killerman82]

Meh

 

[ThtOneGuy]

you know before i pressed this thread i prayed it wouldnt be another byakugan>ms thread but its a byakugan>ems thread +rep for the work but this should be a no brainer

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

Right i like you explenation neji could sever sasukes ability to make susanoo in one touch

 

[FlyingThunderGodHax]

Good try, I agree with most of your arguments disagree with few +rep. However, by the looks of it in the current Naruto world, Sasuke will always be >>>>>>>>>>>> Neji.

 

[Killer B]

nice points....those are some good counters that I agree with

but sasuke > neji even if Neji can counter all of those techs how does he counter Lightning release......he cant

 

[Koibito]

Kishi really trolled the Hyuuga, very nice, the Byakugan is an amazing dojutsu and the gentle fist is an incredibly powerful style when used by a Hyuuga. Damn

 

[Troyg39]

Excellent thread. I decided not to focus so much on Neji vs Sasuke but Byakugan vs EMS in general and all your points are actually correct. I think the reason Tsunade was able to crack Madara's Susanoo was because she combined unusal power with the small pressure point of her fist. Having alot of force concentrated over a small surface area makes for better pressure and makes things easier to break. That's basic physics. So if a gentle fist user could get enough power equal to or greater than Tsunade's punches and combine that by hitting a fairly small area on Susanoo, I don't see why they couldn't break it. But that's assuming they can generate enough force.

Also, Amaterasu could be flung back at the opponent with Neji's rotation, so assuming he could rotate in time, he could actually turn Amaterasu into his own attack. Even if he got hit, as you said it burns slow, so he could just shoot chakra out of his body and actually try to hit his opponent.

Uchiha's tend to be good fighters, but I think with Neji's ability to release chakra from any point in his body, he could probably do something similar to frog kumite that naruto can do, and release chakra to hit his opponent and shut off their chakra system, even if he misses his initial punch. Fighting close combat with Neji or any Hyuga would be very foolish

I think most people gave you a hard time because they were more focused on Sasuke being the opponent rather than just the general discussion. I don't think Neji could beat Sasuke either, but Sasuke isn't your typical EMS user with Blaze Release and chidori, and his chakra level is pretty above average compared most fighters we've seen, so he's kind of a special case. If Neji had more ways to fight a long range battle and force Sasuke into a close combat situation, he would bein med-high dif I'm sure. Great thread!

 

[shogun973]

Sharingan genjutsu can activate by the target looking into the users eyes. If Neji can see Sasuke's eyes then he can be placed in a genjutsu. The byakugan actually hurts Neji in this case. He can't help but to see Sasuke's eyes with his near 360 degree vision.

Sasuke is faster than Neji. Neji would be on the defensive and if he gets to close, he will be hit by chidori. Sasuke was able to dodge and strike Raikage Ay by predicting his moves with the sharingan. Neji is nowhere near as fast as Ay. Oh yea, Sasuke has a sword. If Neji goes in for a gentle fist attack, sharingan plus kenjutsu leaves a stubby Neji.

If Ama connects, Neji can't do anything about it. It'll be like adding fuel to the fire is he tries to push it away with chakra. It isn't the same as ST, which is basically gravitational force control.

Show me where vacuum palm can attack chakra points.

Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
Name
Kanji 八卦空掌
Rōmaji Hakke Kūshō
Literal English Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm
English TV Eight Trigrams Air Palm
Classification Kekkei Genkai, Taijutsu
Class Offensive
Range Short to Mid range

This technique is similar in practice to Eight Trigrams Palms Revolving Heaven, but has a specific target rather than a general area. To perform it, the user precisely pinpoints the enemy's vital points with the Byakugan and releases a high-speed palm thrust. A "vacuum shell" compressed using the Gentle Fist is formed to attack the opponent's vitals from a distance, blowing them off their feet with tremendous force before they even notice they were hit.

It has a SPECIFIC TARGET. It does not attack chakra points. It hits a person with a vacuum shell to hit vital areas (chest, GI area) not chakra points. It is useless against Susanoo.

did you really just say if it got close neji would be on the defensive lmao get off this site now, if it goes anywhere within the 8 trigrams its over unless sasuke in susanoo. neji would block those chakra points and unlike naruto (bs) theres no were else sasukes gonna get chakra

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

1. Electric current is short range, vacuum palm is short to mid range, therefore electric current will not disrupt Neji, and he can Dodge Sasuke Chidori Spear as it is not atmospheric like Sasukes current.

Yeah my response to took ages as NB stopped working for me last night.

2.I was suggesting that he could due to his ability to observe Sasukes chakra network, but it is a stretch suppose.

Neji could instead envelope himself in his powerful chakra, which has acted as a shield in the past, only excessive force can break the envelope, Susanoo arrow for example.

3. In order for sasuke to Dodge the Vacuum Palm he would need to raise his hand from the ground, that is why I used it as a counter.

4. Yeah that was in response to vegeta disagreeing me that it would be a stalemate.


6. Vacuum Palm uses Byakugan for Precision so that it can strike precisely at vital points, it is a pocket of chakra made from the Vacuum.

Also you state that Vacuum palm is just force, yet that Revolving Heaven is not, how can this be when Vacuum Palm is a targeted Revolving Heaven?

At any rate, Gentle fist requires the expulsion of chakra so that it can penetrate below the skin of the opponent and damage the chakra network.

Vacuum palm can be used to disrupt the chakra flow of the susanoo, as it does to other Ninjutsu the as the susanoo is completely chakra (as are all pure chakra ninjutsu that have taken shape) in humanoid form, the same could be done to a ninjutsu water dragon.

He can spot the weak point of Susanoo and even if it is just force that is applied instead of chakra (just for the sake of us not disputed the same point without end) the weakest point of the Susanoo being disrupted completely will still disrupt the entire form of the Susanoo.




My main worry is the susanoo arrow.

Neji will have a hard time with it if he is at long range from Sasuke, the best thing for Neji to do is stay within mid range as it is hard to use a long range weapon on someone who is evading at mid to short range, also in mid range he can use Vacuum Palm on Sasuke.

Also Sasuke takes more time to aim and fire his susanoo arrow, so even though without a doubt Susanoo arrow is one of the fastest projectiles in NU, Neji's vacuum palm requires, less prep, less chakra and less strain on the body results from it.

Remember the maximum amount of times we have seen Sasuke use is twice in one battle.

Against Sasuke using it once on Kakashi tipped him over the edge, and against Kabuto he only used it twice in the battle, by that time Itachi was in the process of casting izanami, the main battle would be over and Sasuke would deactivate his Susanoo.

Really late on this. You probably won't read this but here I go.

2. Neji could possibly try to predict Sasuke's actions by reading his chakra network. It doesn't help if he doesn't have the capability to defend himself.

3. Good point. That would disrupt the attack

6. Even if he did attack the weak point of Susanoo, it wouldn't disrupt the entire being. Danzo was able to erupt a hole in Susanoo by attacking its weak back, and Tsunade was able to break the ribs with force. Gentle fist's chakra disrupting abilities come from closing chakra points. Susanoo doesn't have those. Neji broke out of the water prison because it is a delicate jutsu. If the chakra flow in the water is disrupted, it collapses. This isn't the case for Susanoo. It can be torn in half and the rest will still be there. Neji gets too close and he dies. He isn't going to be able to stop a punch from Susanoo.

Vacuum palm doesn't have enough force to cause damage to Susanoo. Do you think it has the same power as Tsunade's punch? or the slicing ability of Danzo's wind jutsu aided by suction from the Baku? It has neither. It wouldn't work.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

did you really just say if it got close neji would be on the defensive lmao get off this site now, if it goes anywhere within the 8 trigrams its over unless sasuke in susanoo. neji would block those chakra points and unlike naruto (bs) theres no were else sasukes gonna get chakra

You better put on your big boy pants before stepping up to me.

If Sasuke doesn't have Susanoo up, he can use Chidori current to stop Neji in his tracks.

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See the range of the jutsu. Neji won't be able to touch Sasuke. Also, don't underestimate the abilities of the sharingan combined with Sasuke's speed. Once Neji is stunned by Chidori current, then Sasuke can finish him off. How does Neji get past it? Find a logical answer or gtfo.

 

[Kvothe Kingkiller]

first, we have not seen an attack from neji that is stron enough to break a full susanoo.

and I'm not sure if his rotation is strong enough for a susanoo arrow