The Byakugan Is Quite Suited To Fight The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (Explained)

[Uchiha Leader]

you guys won't give up

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

1: Danzo didn't have time to dodge it so he resorted to using wood release.

2: Your argument doesn't mean it won't be pushed off. Yes it burns through anything, but if its pushed off neji's skin, that is all that matters. That's why I compared it to shinra tensei. As long as it isn't burning neji all is good lol

3: I can't stress this enough, he needs physical eye contact. Its irrelevant to whether or not neji is using a dojutsu he needs eye to eye contact.

4: Its debatable, both are arguments don't have definitive proof as naruto never fought against neji's rotation at full power. Since it does get bigger though, I do believe neji could push susanoo away with just pure chakra.

1. He didn't have time because it is too fast. Kakashi had to warp it away because it was too fast to dodge. Neji isn't going to be able to dodge it. He isn't going to be able to redirect it either.

2. The fact is that the fire won't be pushed off. It will be like wind blowing a forest fire. The fire doesn't jump and leave what it was burning, it spreads, burning until it doesn't have anything to feed it. The reason Shinra Tensei worked was because Nagato manipulated a gravity like force to push the actual flames off of him. Not comparable to Neji pushing with chakra.

3. So if someone is wearing sun glasses then they can't be put under a sharingan genjutsu? They would be looking through a lens, so it would be direct physical eye contact. This would be similar to the byakugan being able to look through objects. Bee was wearing sun glasses and was still affected by Sasuke's genjutsu. It was because he could see Sasuke's eyes. Sasuke couldn't see his eyes. There you go, now your argument is irrelevant.

4. Yes he can push it away but Sasuke isn't just going to sit there and let it happen. He will strike as soon as Neji gets close. Assuming Neji has enough time to start a full Rotation ( I doubt it, just look at Susanoo's speed) he would still get hit and the force would disrupt the jutsu and cause damage.

 

[Sephy100]

I responded to everything that you said, maybe I was not clear enough.

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Originally Posted by Sephy100
Where is this proof that Neji and Hinata can see with their eyes closed? I might've missed it. I've never heard of a sensor being able to see when someone is going to use genjutsu. I know they can sense it after the fact or if someone is under it. I never once said Sasuke has dodged the Raikage. I said that Neji is not as fast as the Raikage so all of Neji's attacks will be seen by Sasuke. Also, Sasuke can use mid to long range attacks while in Susanoo so Neji getting close to Sasuke will be next to impossible. Also, how would Neji disrupt Sasuke's chakra when he wouldn't even be able to get close to Sasuke with an Amaterasu cloaked Susanoo. Hell Sasuke could envelop his entire body with Amaterasu which would certainly kill Neji. And let's not forget Kirin and if you say that Neji can repel that with his rotating palm then we all know you would be the ultimate fanboy. In short, Byakugan cannot beat ,nor is it equipped to, Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

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I don't understand....they have x-ray vision and Hinata has seen through solid objects.

I do not think it is reasonable of you to say, "just because Hinata's x-ray vision allows her to see through stone you can not assume that she can see through wood"

I can assume this because it is an entirely logical assumption, it would be odd for me to think otherwise.

Hinata can see through solid objects.

Sasuke dodged one of the Raikages attacks and it was an attack that the Raikage launched from far away, it was not Sasuke's speed but his predictive abilities along with his suggestive Genjutsu, which also requires eye contact, that enabled him to dodge, A's attack was also an elbow attack from the start (about 20 meters away) to the finish (just when Sasuke dodged) meaning Sasuke knew everything about it way before Sasuke dodged.

Neji's attacks are all from different angles and his Taijutsu speed is insane, even though the Raikages mobility is faster than Naji's, I don't see A doing continuous hand to hand combat at high speed, it tends to be mostly insane charges.
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Like I said pay attention to who you're responding to.

 

[-Vegeta-]

Susanoo is a ninjutsu and like all ninjutsu if it's chakra flow is disrupted it will lose it's for, if I was explaining things that are already obvious you should agree.

*Sigh* you clearly don't get it.

Chidori Nagashi to the flow, Neji counter's with Vacuum Palm.

What? If Neji gets anywhere near Sasuke then chidori nagashi will paralyze him and he won't be able to move thus leaving an opening for Sasuke to kill him.

Chidori Nagashi, Neji sees the chakra and evades to get in range.

This doesn't make sense. Chidori n

Sasuke needs to go long distance to be out of range of vacuum palm.

No he doesn't. He can easily evade it since it's nothing more than a straight forward attack. He could also just summon susanoo to tank it or just use summon a wall of amaterasu to block it.

Neji can still see Sasukes chakra networks from long range, and attacks from long range take longer to hit the target, the combination of these to make Sasukes attacks anything but difficult to dodge.

Amaterasu appears wherever the user focuses their vision on. Susanoo arrows are extremely fast and needed to have kamui be used to stop them.

As for the Amaterasu wall that fades if Sasuke's chakra drops as shown in his fight with A.

Ummmm no it doesn't. The flames of amaterasu burn for 7 days and 7 nights. Itachi's lying on the floor dead and the flames are still spreading rapidly.

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Also Neji can use two consecutive vacuum palms so that the disruption of susanoo is followed by an attack on the vital points of Sasuke.

Sasuke could easily evade it with his speed and you're assuming the vacuum palm would even disrupt the chakra flow of susanoo. You have no proof that it can do this. It canceling it out a elemental release doesn't equate to it being able to complete cancel a massive ethereal warrios like susanoo.

The prep time for vacuum palm is virtually non existent, so Sasuke won't have to just be "Standing there watching", for it to be effective.

And your point is?

Neji HAS to be close for anything to work. You keep speaking of his vacum palms, which are essentially irrelevant since Sasuke could easily dodge them.

Only way Neji has a chance at victory is by getting close and if he tries that he's dead.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Susanoo is a ninjutsu and like all ninjutsu if it's chakra flow is disrupted it will lose it's for, if I was explaining things that are already obvious you should agree.

Chidori Nagashi to the flow, Neji counter's with Vacuum Palm.

Chidori Nagashi, Neji sees the chakra and evades to get in range.

Sasuke needs to go long distance to be out of range of vacuum palm.

Neji can still see Sasukes chakra networks from long range, and attacks from long range take longer to hit the target, the combination of these to make Sasukes attacks anything but difficult to dodge.

As for the Amaterasu wall that fades if Sasuke's chakra drops as shown in his fight with A.

Also Neji can use two consecutive vacuum palms so that the disruption of susanoo is followed by an attack on the vital points of Sasuke.

The prep time for vacuum palm is virtually non existent, so Sasuke won't have to just be "Standing there watching", for it to be effective.

How will Neji stop an electic current with a single strike?

How does Neji avoid electricity in the air around Sasuke to get in range? Is he going to dodge each bolt to strike Sasuke? Imposssible

He can dodge vacuum palm, like he dodged Danzo's vacuum bullets.

Yes he can still dodge but he can't do anything from distance.

And?

Vacuum palm doesn't disrupt chakra, it just applies a physical force. It has never been shown to disrupt chakra or affect chakra points. The only reason he was able to use it to escape Kisame's water prison was because he was able to apply FORCE to the areas that had the least amount of chakra. This is just like how Neji and co escaped from the fat Sound 4 dude's earth prison.

 

[Unbiased]

1. He didn't have time because it is too fast. Kakashi had to warp it away because it was too fast to dodge. Neji isn't going to be able to dodge it. He isn't going to be able to redirect it either.

2. The fact is that the fire won't be pushed off. It will be like wind blowing a forest fire. The fire doesn't jump and leave what it was burning, it spreads, burning until it doesn't have anything to feed it. The reason Shinra Tensei worked was because Nagato manipulated a gravity like force to push the actual flames off of him. Not comparable to Neji pushing with chakra.

3. So if someone is wearing sun glasses then they can't be put under a sharingan genjutsu? They would be looking through a lens, so it would be direct physical eye contact. This would be similar to the byakugan being able to look through objects. Bee was wearing sun glasses and was still affected by Sasuke's genjutsu. It was because he could see Sasuke's eyes. Sasuke couldn't see his eyes. There you go, now your argument is irrelevant.

4. Yes he can push it away but Sasuke isn't just going to sit there and let it happen. He will strike as soon as Neji gets close. Assuming Neji has enough time to start a full Rotation ( I doubt it, just look at Susanoo's speed) he would still get hit and the force would disrupt the jutsu and cause damage.

1: You just contradicted yourself there. If danzo had time to redirect it, so does neji. If neji has the chakra available it is possible for him to redirect it.

2: The chakra being pushed by neji stops the second he wants it too. Its not like a thread that leads the fire back to him.

3: You just compared sunglasses to the byakugan and someone with their eyes open to someone with their eyes closed. :sy::sy::sy::sy:

4: Like I said, there is no proof susanoo can crush the rotation. We have never seen a full rotation crushed. Therefore my theory is plausible.

 

[Maunten]

I will say the only issues I have is with how Neji is going to deal with Susanoo's arrow, it is without a doubt faster than amaterasu.

It is also powerful, the best bet for Neji is a preemptive attempt, if he can use Byakugan to tell when Susanoo is going to use it's bow and arrow then he can act accordingly.

Even though Susanoo arrow is fast Sasuke does not fire it instantly

 

[-Vegeta-]

1: You just contradicted yourself there. If danzo had time to redirect it, so does neji. If neji has the chakra available it is possible for him to redirect it.

2: The chakra being pushed by neji stops the second he wants it too. Its not like a thread that leads the fire back to him.

3: You just compared sunglasses to the byakugan and someone with their eyes open to someone with their eyes closed. :sy::sy::sy::sy:

4: Like I said, there is no proof susanoo can crush the rotation. We have never seen a full rotation crushed. Therefore my theory is plausible.

There's no proof Neji can see with his eyes closed, but you guys keep clamoring on like it's fact. It can go both ways my friend.

 

[Sephy100]

I will say the only issues I have is with how Neji is going to deal with Susanoo's arrow, it is without a doubt faster than amaterasu.

It is also powerful, the best bet for Neji is a preemptive attempt, if he can use Byakugan to tell when Susanoo is going to use it's bow and arrow then he can act accordingly.

Even though Susanoo arrow is fast Sasuke does not fire it instantly

Like you said just because you can see the attack doesn't mean your body will be able to respond to it fast enough.

 

[Sephy100]

There's no proof Neji can see with his eyes closed, but you guys keep clamoring on like it's fact. It can go both ways my friend.

Finally someone who agrees with me. I've been asking for proof this whole time and there's none to be had. When they provide proof I'll shut about it but until then they are just making shit up. +rep

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

1: You just contradicted yourself there. If danzo had time to redirect it, so does neji. If neji has the chakra available it is possible for him to redirect it.

2: The chakra being pushed by neji stops the second he wants it too. Its not like a thread that leads the fire back to him.

3: You just compared sunglasses to the byakugan and someone with their eyes open to someone with their eyes closed. :sy::sy::sy::sy:

4: Like I said, there is no proof susanoo can crush the rotation. We have never seen a full rotation crushed. Therefore my theory is plausible.

1. No I did not. Wood release is instant, miliseconds, and powerful. Rotation is not instant, you have to start spinning, and doesn't have as much force as a tree growing instantly.

2. The fire is in contact with his skin, so it would stay and burn any chakra released.

3. It is a perfectly valid comparison. Sasuke did not actually see Bee's eyes but Bee saw Sasuke's eyes. If Neji was looking with x-ray vision through his eye lids, they would function as a lens so Sasuke can't see Neji's eyes (that is your argument, that Sasuke can't see Neji's eyes). Since Neji can see through his eye lids, they are comparable to Bee's sun glass lenses. As long as Neji can see Sasuke's eyes, he can be placed under genjutsu, and it is impossible for Neji not to see Sasuke's eyes because of his wide vision.

4. Plausible but unlikely. Susanoo can throw more than one punch. Neji can't spin forever.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

Finally someone who agrees with me. I've been asking for proof this whole time and there's none to be had. When they provide proof I'll shut about it but until then they are just making shit up. +rep

If Neji can see through the back of his own head, then he can see through his own eye lids.

 

[Maunten]

1. He didn't have time because it is too fast. Kakashi had to warp it away because it was too fast to dodge. Neji isn't going to be able to dodge it. He isn't going to be able to redirect it either.

2. The fact is that the fire won't be pushed off. It will be like wind blowing a forest fire. The fire doesn't jump and leave what it was burning, it spreads, burning until it doesn't have anything to feed it. The reason Shinra Tensei worked was because Nagato manipulated a gravity like force to push the actual flames off of him. Not comparable to Neji pushing with chakra.

3. So if someone is wearing sun glasses then they can't be put under a sharingan genjutsu? They would be looking through a lens, so it would be direct physical eye contact. This would be similar to the byakugan being able to look through objects. Bee was wearing sun glasses and was still affected by Sasuke's genjutsu. It was because he could see Sasuke's eyes. Sasuke couldn't see his eyes. There you go, now your argument is irrelevant.

4. Yes he can push it away but Sasuke isn't just going to sit there and let it happen. He will strike as soon as Neji gets close. Assuming Neji has enough time to start a full Rotation ( I doubt it, just look at Susanoo's speed) he would still get hit and the force would disrupt the jutsu and cause damage.

1. If Neji can dodge preemptively, dodging is under Taijutsu anyway and Neji's Taijutsu is superior to Kakashi's.

2.The forest fire example is better like this:

"there is a forest fire, at the center of the forest is a great wind that blows outward, this would push the fire out of the forest"

The chakra pushes outward from Neji's body, before the flames burn through the chakra they would no longer be on Neji's body, the chakra does not come out slowly it comes out explosively.

3.Where does it say Sasuke could not see Bee's eyes? People can see through sunglasses, also if sasuke did not see Bee's eyes, if they did not make Eye contact how did Sasuke know when to cast the genjutsu? Was it a lucky guess twice?


4. The rotation has no prep and builds up rapidly despite the slightly slow start, susanoo does not make the user faster and in some cases slows them down due to the pain.

 

[Cascade]

Did I act like that??

I showed how neji would counter two of sasukes main attacks.

Vacuum palm is mid range attack, therefore susanoo can be attacked by it from a distance.

If you have an argument against my post please be more elaborate, these claims a very general and don't help me improve.

Read it, but someone could make a thread putting EMS > Byakugan a lot more easily than you made this thread...

as for 'helping you improve' i dont think people really care enough to elaborate on their opinions, they just disagree and move on.

 

[Maunten]

There's no proof Neji can see with his eyes closed, but you guys keep clamoring on like it's fact. It can go both ways my friend.

Byakugan has seen through solid objects thicker than Neji's head, I mean? what proof do you actually want, do you want Kishi to draw all that is possible?

Sasuke has only fired his susanoo arrow at kakashi do you have any proof that he can fire it at Neji?

Since when did susanoo crush Neji??? Proof please lol.

Has anyone tried to just stroll into susanoo, it might be possible, susanoo only blocks attacks right, so if Neji brought cake it might let him in.

You see I can do it to.

There is nothing wrong with using feats shown in the manga with logic to predict other feats.

 

[Unbiased]

1. No I did not. Wood release is instant, miliseconds, and powerful. Rotation is not instant, you have to start spinning, and doesn't have as much force as a tree growing instantly.

2. The fire is in contact with his skin, so it would stay and burn any chakra released.

3. It is a perfectly valid comparison. Sasuke did not actually see Bee's eyes but Bee saw Sasuke's eyes. If Neji was looking with x-ray vision through his eye lids, they would function as a lens so Sasuke can't see Neji's eyes (that is your argument, that Sasuke can't see Neji's eyes). Since Neji can see through his eye lids, they are comparable to Bee's sun glass lenses. As long as Neji can see Sasuke's eyes, he can be placed under genjutsu, and it is impossible for Neji not to see Sasuke's eyes because of his wide vision.

4. Plausible but unlikely. Susanoo can throw more than one punch. Neji can't spin forever.

1: Exerting chakra out your skin is instant.

2: Any chakra released would push the fire off.

3: There's no eye contact. It doesn't make any sense. Your completely going against the manga. Through your logic even if your eyes are closed tsukoyomi can still get you. The dojutsu gives neji an ability sasuke does not have and could not counter. I understand where your coming from and understand why it seems plausible, but the caster and the opponent need eye to eye contact.

4: Susanoo can't last forever either.

 

[Q of the Sharingan]

1. If Neji can dodge preemptively, dodging is under Taijutsu anyway and Neji's Taijutsu is superior to Kakashi's.

2.The forest fire example is better like this:

"there is a forest fire, at the center of the forest is a great wind that blows outward, this would push the fire out of the forest"

The chakra pushes outward from Neji's body, before the flames burn through the chakra they would no longer be on Neji's body, the chakra does not come out slowly it comes out explosively.

3.Where does it say Sasuke could not see Bee's eyes? People can see through sunglasses, also if sasuke did not see Bee's eyes, if they did not make Eye contact how did Sasuke know when to cast the genjutsu? Was it a lucky guess twice?


4. The rotation has no prep and builds up rapidly despite the slightly slow start, susanoo does not make the user faster and in some cases slows them down due to the pain.

1. Byakugan has not shown predictive abilities. If Danzo and Kakashi both stated that it was too fast to dodge, then Neji cannot dodge it either.

2. The fire doesn't stop burning the trees in the middle, the wind will just cause it to lash out and catch more trees on fire. It spreads the flames, not transporting them. Chakra is fuel for Amaterasu just like anything else. It would just cause it to spread, not transport. If chakra could move Ama like this then Temari could have used her wind chakra to push th flames off the Samurai. She didn't. They had to take the guy's armor off.

3. Bee was looking at Sasuke's entire body, including the eyes. This was easy for Sasuke to guess because that is how people normally look at others. Guy looks at sharingan users' feet because that way there is no way he can see their eyes.

4. So with the slow start it isn't as powerful and Susanoo can get a successful strike. I'm talking about Susanoo's attack speed not travel speed. If Neji is close, he dies.

 

[Maunten]

-Vegeta-

Amaterasu can not protect like that at all, it is a shield in the sense that the user will be damaged if they touch it, a forceful chakra blow well penetrate an amaterasu wall easily.

Blaze release is different, look at the scan of sasuke vs A.

Read it, but someone could make a thread putting EMS > Byakugan a lot more easily than you made this thread...

as for 'helping you improve' i dont think people really care enough to elaborate on their opinions, they just disagree and move on.

I made it clear what the thread was about, they read that and posted in a way that I already said the thread was not meant for, if the disagreed they could have elaborated, if they couldn't be bothered to post they could have moved on.

Basically the person didn't read it, came into the thread with an opinion already, told me their opinion and left.

 

[Sephy100]

Byakugan has seen through solid objects thicker than Neji's head, I mean? what proof do you actually want, do you want Kishi to draw all that is possible?

Sasuke has only fired his susanoo arrow at kakashi do you have any proof that he can fire it at Neji?

Since when did susanoo crush Neji??? Proof please lol.

Has anyone tried to just stroll into susanoo, it might be possible, susanoo only blocks attacks right, so if Neji brought cake it might let him in.

You see I can do it to.

There is nothing wrong with using feats shown in the manga with logic to predict other feats.

You're right that there is nothing wrong with using feats from the manga to predict other feats but it doesn't make sense that Neji can see with his eyes closed. He could probably sense the movement and chakra of the person and act accordingly but to say that he can see with his eyes open is just makin shit up.

 

[Maunten]

1. Byakugan has not shown predictive abilities. If Danzo and Kakashi both stated that it was too fast to dodge, then Neji cannot dodge it either.

2. The fire doesn't stop burning the trees in the middle, the wind will just cause it to lash out and catch more trees on fire. It spreads the flames, not transporting them. Chakra is fuel for Amaterasu just like anything else. It would just cause it to spread, not transport. If chakra could move Ama like this then Temari could have used her wind chakra to push th flames off the Samurai. She didn't. They had to take the guy's armor off.

3. Bee was looking at Sasuke's entire body, including the eyes. This was easy for Sasuke to guess because that is how people normally look at others. Guy looks at sharingan users' feet because that way there is no way he can see their eyes.

4. So with the slow start it isn't as powerful and Susanoo can get a successful strike. I'm talking about Susanoo's attack speed not travel speed. If Neji is close, he dies.

1. Byakugan has not shown predictive abilities. If Danzo and Kakashi both stated that it was too fast to dodge, then Neji cannot dodge it either.

2. The fire doesn't stop burning the trees in the middle, the wind will just cause it to lash out and catch more trees on fire. It spreads the flames, not transporting them. Chakra is fuel for Amaterasu just like anything else. It would just cause it to spread, not transport. If chakra could move Ama like this then Temari could have used her wind chakra to push th flames off the Samurai. She didn't. They had to take the guy's armor off.

3. Bee was looking at Sasuke's entire body, including the eyes. This was easy for Sasuke to guess because that is how people normally look at others. Guy looks at sharingan users' feet because that way there is no way he can see their eyes.

4. So with the slow start it isn't as powerful and Susanoo can get a successful strike. I'm talking about Susanoo's attack speed not travel speed. If Neji is close, he dies.

1.When I said predictive abilities I meant looking at the chakra flow of the susanoo or the user to tell when they are about to use the arrow, and then start chakra rotation.

2.alright then how about this,

"A tree is on fire, another epidermis forms from the inside out rapidly (chakra envelope seeping out rapidly as shown in the OP), then explodes off."

Is the fire still on the tree?

3. I don't know dude, it seems like they need to have eye contact if Sasuke can't see his eyes how do they have eye contact??

eye con·tact
Noun:
The state in which two people are aware of looking directly into one another's eyes.
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4. I thought you were talking about mobility, well the only option for neji is to disrupt the chakra of the susanoo's arm punching at him, causing it to dissipate, Since vacuum palm takes nowhere near as much time to use, it's like a chakra punch.

Also I want to add that tsunades strength comes from enhanced chakra control and with it she was able to crack Madara's susanoo, which is stronger than Sasuke.

Gentle Fist is even more advanced than her's as it actually expels chakra and it attacks specific points weak only visible to Byakugan users.

Vacuum palm should be able to disrupt susanoo's chakra flow successfully