The Byakugan Is Quite Suited To Fight The Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan (Explained)

[Maunten]

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Ty for the post I added mine to your thread to, joint effort xd!!

 

[Sephy100]

Why don't you chill.

Fighting someone you have little information on can lead to such events it is not a testament to Neji's strength and weaknesses as a shinobi in anyway.

He had killed countless zetsu since then and defended the hospitals of the 4th alliance.

You sig is respect yet you do not hesitate to insult others, this is a manga that we all like so why not have some relaxation here.

If you want to insult at least let the insults be witty but calm, those sting more

I apologize. I'm watching Hell's kitchen right now. Though I am riled up because you statement made absolutely no sense. And I did hesitate to insult you since you insulted me first.

 

[Sephy100]

My reasons why neji is the best candidate out of the konoha 11 to fight sasuke one on one

If this battle was to happen in the show for whatever reason sasuke wins hands down because of plot no jutsu. Whether it be karin saving his ass or anyone else from taka sasuke would win.

But I am talking about a complete one on one situation with no one to heal, help or give sasuke a chakra boost. Here are my reasons why neji can defeat sasuke one on one but it would be extreme high difficulty

Let's start with the dangerous threats from sasuke:

Genjutsu:

Would be useless against neji in a one on one against sasuke despite common rule being to run on a one on one situation with an uchiha because of their genjutsus. There are two reason why genjutsu’s would be useless against neji:

1) Neji will not fall under a eye contact genjutsu when it is just him and sasuke

Basic top class shinobi knowledge do not look into the eyes of a sharingan user which means neji does not have to worry about this at all. In a group fight neji may be caught off guard (as seen with A against madara) but on a one on one it is just you and your opponent no distractions. Neji is not hot headed enough to lose his cool and forget this he is also a top class shinob, a jounin, a elite hyuga clan member he will not fall under a genjutsu which just evolves eye contact.

2) Sasuke’s genjutsu is nowhere near the level of itachi’s tsukuyomi

Let's say neji does fall under a genjutsu (highly highly unlikely neji is top class shinobi, a jounin from konoha which would know more about the sharingan then other villages list goes on for reason why he wouldn't on a one on one)
Hyuga have excellent chakra control they are the best candidates to break out of a genjutsu then any other shinobi along with jinjurki's. Lucky for neji sasuke's genjutsu is nothing compared to itachi's tsukuyomi which means neji with his excellent chakra control can break out of it. (My main reason is he want get caught in one)

So I am going to state in a one on one neji will most likely not fall under a genjutsu and if he does he can break out of it. (If this was itachi's no chance neji is done for but once again I don't think he would get into one he is not hot headed and uses his brain)


Amaterasu:

Neji with his byakugan can see all chakra points in the body as well as chakra itself. When a shinobi is going to perform a jutsu the byakugan can see the chakra build up. This means that neji out of anyone else would be able to prepare better for amaterasu. Even better then when A was fast enough to dodge amaterasu by seeing it when it was released from sasuke's eye.

Now that neji knows amaterasu is coming neji can do a number of things to counter it:

1)Heavenly rotation: Elite hyuga members can preform heavenly rotation this will protect neji from amaterasu flames as the flames will burn around the chakra and then disperse as the chakra disperses.

2)Gentle Fist Art One Blow Body: A weaker but quicker and easier to perform defence that will push the flames and anything around neji’s body away.

3)Dodge: As I stated he will know amaterasu is coming before any other shinobi would so he has more time to prepare for his counter, he does not have to be as fast as A or BM naruto as he gets the heads up earlier. Amaterasu was also dodged by sasuke running circles around itachi.

So that is 3 counters against amaterasu in the order that would be most effective and most likely for him to use as he knows amaterasu will be coming.



Susano:

This is neji’s only worry when fighting against sasuke but at the same time neji is also the best candidate to disable sasuke from using susano and I will tell you why.

Susano is the user powerful chakra being released and then being materialised. Neji has the ability to block chakra path ways in the body if neji blocks enough chakra path ways sasuke will not be able to form susano.
This solves the biggest problem with destroying a susano which is if it is destroyed the user can just re-activate susano if he has enough chakra. If neji get’s enough chakra points even if sasuke has enough chakra he will not be able to use it to form susano.

This is great but we all know the main problem is what is neji going to do when susano is active. Well this is the tough part.

Neji will have to be on the defence at this point in the battle but lucky for him sasuke cannot keep susano active forever. With his ultimate defence neji can deflect susano arrows and physical punches and sword attacks from sasuke’s susano. So neji will be defending blocking maybe even hiding but as this is a one on one sasuke cannot keep this active forever.

The only way neji can do enough damage on susano to create a direct opening to sasuke just as danzo did in his battle, is getting close to susano and delivering a direct hit from heavenly rotation. This will break susano enough for neji to have access to sasuke and once this path way is open all neji will have to do is get sasuke in a eight trigrams 64 palms. If he is successful susano will be disabled and will be for a while and sasuke cannot activate susano right away as his chakra flow and path ways will be blocked.

If Neji manages this then it becomes sasuke's kenjutsu and taijutsu vs neji taijutsu

This is the worst case sceniory for sasuke because if he cannot form susano and his chakra path ways are blocked it is basically sasuke’s kenjutsu and taijutsu with his sharingan perception vs neji taijutsu. This is where neji would own sasuke, every blow neji delivers will either block sasuke’s chakra path ways or damage sasuke’s internal organs.

So basically if neji can disables sasuke’s susano via blocking enough of his chakra path ways neji wins. Of course if this battle ever was to happen it would be much harder then I have stated which is why I say extremely high difficultly for neji. Sasuke would probably beat neji 6 times out of 10 but neji defeating sasuke is not impossible, as I have shown in this thread

If Lee and Guy can forcibly unlock their gates then why can't Sasuke? There is no proof that you need the gates to unlock them. Also, how would Neji get close to Sasuke with Amaterasu defense as well as Susanoo? In order to destroy Sasuke's chakra points he would have to get past Chidori Nagashi, Katon jutsu, Kirin, genjutsu, as well as Amaterasu? I checked Neji's attack list and he has no mid to long range attacks that could destroy any of Sasuke's chakra points.

 

[G0D]

Neji will not fall under an eye contact genjutsu on a one on one with sasuke he is a top class shinobi not looking into the eyes of an uchiha is basic knowledge for top class shinobi's.

A susano arrow can be dodged with speed or a good defence. Neji's heavenly rotation will deflect the susano arrow.

Sasuke isn't even proficient in genjutsu to begin with. That is a moot point. Sasuke fanboys are grabbing for straws here.

 

[Maunten]

I apologize. I'm watching Hell's kitchen right now. Though I am riled up because you statement made absolutely no sense. And I did hesitate to insult you since you insulted me first.

Right I see, that chef show lol.

I don't know much about that incident with zetsu anyway, that's why I said I would read up on it.

 

[Maunten]

If Lee and Guy can forcibly unlock their gates then why can't Sasuke? There is no proof that you need the gates to unlock them. Also, how would Neji get close to Sasuke with Amaterasu defense as well as Susanoo? In order to destroy Sasuke's chakra points he would have to get past Chidori Nagashi, Katon jutsu, Kirin, genjutsu, as well as Amaterasu? I checked Neji's attack list and he has no mid to long range attacks that could destroy any of Sasuke's chakra points.

Neji can also sever areas of the chakra network.

Anyway unblocking them does require some form of expertise, it is not the same as unlocking gates.

Also unblocking multiple areas will take time and concentration, also if Neji blocks enough points the shinobi will die before they can unblocking anything.

 

[Konohas Itachi]

Nobody is taking the time to read. :sy:

 

[Inori]

Despite what other people are saying, you have some good points. But Neji would have a lot of trouble to take sasuke down. But he could possibly win.

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

If Lee and Guy can forcibly unlock their gates then why can't Sasuke? There is no proof that you need the gates to unlock them. Also, how would Neji get close to Sasuke with Amaterasu defense as well as Susanoo? In order to destroy Sasuke's chakra points he would have to get past Chidori Nagashi, Katon jutsu, Kirin, genjutsu, as well as Amaterasu? I checked Neji's attack list and he has no mid to long range attacks that could destroy any of Sasuke's chakra points.

Not gates but general chakra points if enough chakra points are blocked the user can not use chakra and chakra cannot be released from their bodies.

Yes but I mean a 1 on 1 them trying to kill each other so sasuke will have to attack neji he will not just put up a defence and sit there.

genjutsu is no problem for neji, amaterasu is no problem for neji, based on the most recent fights with sasuke his ms tech are what he does first and after this if the fight is still going he will not have enough chakra to do other jutsu's. Sasuke can not use all his techs in one fight. So he uses the MS ones which is why I stated how neji could counter them.

 

[DeathByHugs]

Byakugan was trolled hard. And unfortunately Neji has no counter for plot-no-jutsu at the moment.

 

[~Dream~]

Ems<Byakugan it's agreed good thread. Although not sure about Neji getting on fire by amaratsu and then escaping from it but yeah I agree.

 

[Sephy100]

Neji can also sever areas of the chakra network.

Anyway unblocking them does require some form of expertise, it is not the same as unlocking gates.

Also unblocking multiple areas will take time and concentration, also if Neji blocks enough points the shinobi will die before they can unblocking anything.

But how would Neji get close to Sasuke is the whole point. Sasuke can materialize parts of Susanoo to keep Neji at bay while he gets enough distance to activate his perfect Susanoo. None of Neji supporters have yet to explain how Neji can get close to Sasuke. Also, Susanoo is a chakra defense which would mean that it would protect against any of Neji's attacks. And I've never seen Neji use ninjutsu so all he is really good at is close range so he's a bad matchup for Sasuke. His byakugan is not suited for long range attacks nor can it block paralysis genjutsu( in time for Sasuke to not get a clean hit).

 

[Sephy100]

Here's a question for Neji supporters: Can Neji defeat Kakashi? If you can admit that he can't then he can't beat Sasuke either. You have to be Kage level to defeat Sasuke and you guys know it's true but why you won't admit it is beyond me.

 

[Maunten]

Nobody is taking the time to read. :sy:

Despite what other people are saying, you have some good points. But Neji would have a lot of trouble to take sasuke down. But he could possibly win.

Thanks, I a lot of the stuff I stumble across when I was fact finding on character, it just so happened that the char had fought Neji.

So I can understand why people are not agreeing with me immediately I am a bit surprised that they are commenting without reading.

But how would Neji get close to Sasuke is the whole point. Sasuke can materialize parts of Susanoo to keep Neji at bay while he gets enough distance to activate his perfect Susanoo. None of Neji supporters have yet to explain how Neji can get close to Sasuke. Also, Susanoo is a chakra defense which would mean that it would protect against any of Neji's attacks. And I've never seen Neji use ninjutsu so all he is really good at is close range so he's a bad matchup for Sasuke. His byakugan is not suited for long range attacks nor can it block paralysis genjutsu( in time for Sasuke to not get a clean hit).

Oh I was just commenting on what you said about Sasuke unblocking the chakra network after Neji blocks,

Basically this is what Neji has to do to win, we already know he has the ability to know when Sasuke is about to use amaterasu and thus prepare for it so I won't talk about that.


Neji has to deal with the hyper speed susanoo arrow at most twice.

The best way for Neji to do this is get close, long range weapons like bows become less efficient at short distances.

Neji needs to get close enough to use Vacuum Palm, but not so close that susanoo can attack him frequently (susanoo's short range attakcs are rapid).

Vacuum Palm is usable from short to mid range, so the maximum distance Neji can be is Mid range.

Vacuum Palm is a very fast attack with little prep time. Neji needs to strike the moment he get's in range not once but twice, consecutively

The first time is to disperse the susanoo, the second one is to hit Sasukes vital points and Knock him off his feet.

Susanoo can be regenerated yes but we have yet to see a regeneration instantly it has been damage.

So we can deduce a short amount of time is required before they can regenerate it.

If Sasuke is still able to make another susanoo it will be easier for Neji to disrupt the chakra a second time because.

Sasuke is badly injured.

Sasuke is knocked off his feet.

There is a small window of time before Neji is in danger of susanoo arrow again.


His timing would have to be that of an expert but so would Sasuke's if he is to stop Neji, this thread is to show that Byakugan and EMS are at around the same level but that Byakugan dominates over MS, due to danger MS users face with over use, and the fact that it is physically impossible to use MS frequently enough to overwhelm a Byakugan user with it.

 

[Maunten]

Here's a question for Neji supporters: Can Neji defeat Kakashi? If you can admit that he can't then he can't beat Sasuke either. You have to be Kage level to defeat Sasuke and you guys know it's true but why you won't admit it is beyond me.

Sasuke in a sense was bested by Kakashi.

Kakashi did not use kamui offensively on Sasuke, so let's assume he does not on Neji.

That means Neji is fighting against a three tomoe only sharingan user, that is a master of quite a few techs, but Kakashi's intelligence plays a huge factor in this.

I think Kakashi could have killed Sasuke if he felt he had to, with Kamui.

 

[Sephy100]

Thanks, I a lot of the stuff I stumble across when I was fact finding on character, it just so happened that the char had fought Neji.

So I can understand why people are not agreeing with me immediately I am a bit surprised that they are commenting without reading.






Oh I was just commenting on what you said about Sasuke unblocking the chakra network after Neji blocks,

Basically this is what Neji has to do to win, we already know he has the ability to know when Sasuke is about to use amaterasu and thus prepare for it so I won't talk about that.


Neji has to deal with the hyper speed susanoo arrow at most twice.

The best way for Neji to do this is get close, long range weapons like bows become less efficient at short distances.

Neji needs to get close enough to use Vacuum Palm, but not so close that susanoo can attack him frequently (susanoo's short range attakcs are rapid).

Vacuum Palm is usable from short to mid range, so the maximum distance Neji can be is Mid range.

Vacuum Palm is a very fast attack with little prep time. Neji needs to strike the moment he get's in range not once but twice, consecutively

The first time is to disperse the susanoo, the second one is to hit Sasukes vital points and Knock him off his feet.

Susanoo can be regenerated yes but we have yet to see a regeneration instantly it has been damage.

So we can deduce a short amount of time is required before they can regenerate it.

If Sasuke is still able to make another susanoo it will be easier for Neji to disrupt the chakra a second time because.

Sasuke is badly injured.

Sasuke is knocked off his feet.

There is a small window of time before Neji is in danger of susanoo arrow again.


His timing would have to be that of an expert but so would Sasuke's if he is to stop Neji, this thread is to show that Byakugan and EMS are at around the same level but that Byakugan dominates over MS, due to danger MS users face with over use, and the fact that it is physically impossible to use MS frequently enough to overwhelm a Byakugan user with it.

This thread is about EMS vs Byakugan so the danger of blindness is gone. Also, Neji collapsed while overusing Byakugan and he wasn't able to tell the difference between Kiba and Akamaru. Also, when Neji uses Vacuum Palm(which does not attack chakra points) and tries to get close to Sasuke while he is in the air he has to contend with Sasuke's chidori nagashi which is instantaneous like Vacuum Palm. Also, Sasuke can formulate Susanoo arms or ribs as well as blaze release so Neji touching Sasuke is way too dangerous. Susanoo has never been damaged by low tier users. Neji would need to use sound or a strong light to get Sasuke to drop Susanoo. Also, you can't disperse Susanoo with physical attacks and don't forget that Susanoo has 4 arms so while Neji is rotating and keeping the sword at bay he has to contend with the amaterasu orb as well as the arrow. Don't forget that when Sasuke shot arrows at Kakashi he was already weakened to the point of near death and he was blind so Sasuke can fire at least 8 shots which would kill Neji. Also, Sasuke has his hawk which would also help him with long range attacks and would give him time to set up Kirin. Sasuke also has seals in his hands that contain weapons to keep Neji at bay and he has kinjutsu which can phase in and out of people. Sasuke and his arsenal just completly overwhelm a byakugan user because they only use taijutsu, unless I'm worng and they know Ninjutsu/Genjutsu/Summoning Jutsu basically any jutsu's besides dojutsu and taijutsu.

 

[Maunten]

Neji collapsed after using the Byakugan straight for days, I will address the rest of your post soon brb.

 

[teetooktier]

Good thread, whether right or wrong.

To the people saying that Neji cannot see through his own eyelids, that's ridiculous. It is a manga fact that he can see through other people's eyelids, so why on earth wouldn't he be able to see through his own? Unless you think the byakugan deactivates every time the user blinks?

 

[Sephy100]

Sasuke in a sense was bested by Kakashi.

Kakashi did not use kamui offensively on Sasuke, so let's assume he does not on Neji.

That means Neji is fighting against a three tomoe only sharingan user, that is a master of quite a few techs, but Kakashi's intelligence plays a huge factor in this.

I think Kakashi could have killed Sasuke if he felt he had to, with Kamui.

Kakashi was unable to use Kamui against Sasuke offensively because Sasuke's arrows were too fast and he had to pay attention to them. Why do you think Danzo had to use Izanagi to dodge the arrows. And we're talking about EMS not 3 tomoe or MS. Kakashi can only use Kamui a total of 6 times while Sasuke can use the arrows about 8 - 10 times. Don't forget that when Kakashi was talking to Itachi that he had asked how far had you fallen into the dark which means that Kakashi's eyesight is horrible when using MS. Also, Kakashi is not an Uchiha so sharingan takes away 2/5 of his chakra so MS would take away 3/5 which would kill his chakra reserves.

 

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