The biggest Misconception on NB since 2012, itachi cant beat dsm kabuto

[OnPoint]

Living itachi could use susanoo and the pain from it would dispell genjutsu.
Edo itachi could use susanoo aside and grab himself with arm. Aplying pressure, maybe pain, least probable injecting chakra.

If an Edo cannot feel pain, Senpō: Hakugeki's superiority over a living Itachi is pretty much confirmed.

Edo Itachi isn't the combatant in question.

 

[Prince Charles]

So simply because Itachi countered an attack in Mid air once, This makes all similar arugments flawed?.

I simply said it would leave him Open to an attack, If he could counter (depend on what kabuto decided to attack with) it Open for speculation.



Susanoo's arm is a blunt force, It's not exactly made for precise cutting.
In terms of Cutting kidomaru's webs, Nejis precise chakra strikes > Susanoo's Arm.

Neji using chakra to cut them removes the webs from actually touching neji thus prevented the webs from wrapping around his arms/hands. So neji wasn't physically touching the webs in order to cut them.



With this he could most likely cut the webs without to much trouble, But i can bring in the question on how fast can Susanoo swing that sword around. Could it swing fast enough to cut a volly of webs like neji failed to do.

Of course sussanos hand speed with totsuka is quick enough to react

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^^^ pretty sure it was fast enough for it to react to orochimarus great white snakes and its accuracy was flawless.

The chakra surrounding nejis hand were still making contact with the webs am i wrong? mere chakra was able to cut the webs.

 

[AlphaScythian]

If an Edo cannot feel pain, Senpō: Hakugeki's superiority over a living Itachi is pretty much confirmed.
Edo Itachi isn't the combatant in question.

If edo is that insensible then hakugeki wouldnt affect itachi.
White rage gets countered by yata, and is slower then amaterasu. Targeting both jutsu or user would end it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Of course sussanos hand speed with totsuka is quick enough to react

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^^^ pretty sure it was fast enough for it to react to orochimarus great white snakes and its accuracy was flawless.

The chakra surrounding nejis hand were still making contact with the webs am i wrong? mere chakra was able to cut the webs.

And it sliced the Hydra's heads off so fast that they hit the ground simultaneously.

 

[Bijuu13]

One sided .. and I dont think you ackowledged Kabuto's sensing abilities as much as you should have. Body flicker to totsuka blade is not as simple a task on a sage like you make it seem, and you didnt discuss all the disadvantages Itachi is really at.

 

[Prince Charles]

It uses the Sharingan's power to copy and actually cast the Genjutsu, Sharingan can't use Sound Genjutsu as Sound Genjutsu usually requires another medium besides the Shinobi. (Ma and Pa have to sing, Tauyua/Kabuto need a flute.

So it shouldn't be able to copy and use Sound Genjutsu similar to why Sharingan users can't copy every single jutsu and use them unless they have the chakra nature for those jutsu

Nope sound genjutsu is still a illusion the function is different behind the tech since it uses sound but none the less its still a illusion going by that logic i see no reason why itachi cant revert the illusion and setting of the sound genjutsu back at kabuto.

IM not entirely sure my self but the quote does not specify the type of genjutsu.

 

[Prince Charles]

One sided .. and I dont think you ackowledged Kabuto's sensing abilities as much as you should have. Body flicker to totsuka blade is not as simple a task on a sage like you make it seem, and you didnt discuss all the disadvantages Itachi is really at.

funny you clearly havent been reading my posts or counters if you think this is one sided there are moments in the fight like i have presented earlier that kabuto was slipping and got caught off guard even with his sensing abilities.

never said the totsuka body flicker combo was a easy task.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Even if Itachi is able to resist the pain from White Rage, the light is too strong that it forces him to close his eyes. That way he can't cast Izanami or have his sharingan precognition. Give Itachi some sunglasses and he will still lose.

 

[KidGamer65]

Nope sound genjutsu is still a illusion the function is different behind the tech since it uses sound but none the less its still a illusion going by that logic i see no reason why itachi cant revert the illusion and setting of the sound genjutsu back at kabuto.

IM not entirely sure my self but the quote does not specify the type of genjutsu.

Him being able to redirect it means that Itachi would be able to actually use Mugen Onsa if he used the tech to analyze and copy it, without a flute (Which is necessary) That's impossible because Mirror Heaven and Earth change doesn't just reflect the Genjutsu back at the opponent. It lets Itachi decrypt the Genjutsu and then cast it himself using the Sharingan.

It's a form of illusion reversal, but in order to instantly read through a jutsu and cast it in return, the Sharingan's power is necessary.

The quote doesn't specify the type of Genjutsu because it goes with the type of Genjutsu that the Sharingan can actually cast. Sound is not one of them. Saying that Itachi can do this to reflect Mugen Onsa is saying that Itachi can use Mugen Onsa, but he lacks the tools to do that so the technique's requirements can't be fulfilled.

 

[Overgod]

Fail thread is fail

DSM Kabuto > Edo or Non-Edo Itachi

Deal with it fanboy

 

[Prince Charles]

Him being able to redirect it means that Itachi would be able to actually use Mugen Onsa if he used the tech to analyze and copy it, without a flute (Which is necessary) That's impossible because Mirror Heaven and Earth change doesn't just reflect the Genjutsu back at the opponent. It lets Itachi decrypt the Genjutsu and then cast it himself using the Sharingan.




The quote doesn't specify the type of Genjutsu because it goes with the type of Genjutsu that the Sharingan can actually cast. Sound is not one of them. Saying that Itachi can do this to reflect Mugen Onsa is saying that Itachi can use Mugen Onsa, but he lacks the tools to do that so the technique's requirements can't be fulfilled.

like i said i wasnt sure about this certain aspect so ill just hand you the victory regarding this part, even so i see no reason why itachi would need the flute when the genjutsu it self is already activated.

 

[Prince Charles]

Fail thread is fail

DSM Kabuto > Edo or Non-Edo Itachi

Deal with it fanboy

sigh......

 

[Prince Charles]

Even if Itachi is able to resist the pain from White Rage, the light is too strong that it forces him to close his eyes. That way he can't cast Izanami or have his sharingan precognition. Give Itachi some sunglasses and he will still lose.

He doesnt always need his sight to fight a enemy

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he one shotted 2 naruto clones coming behind him without even looking nor turning his head which only hypes up his perception skills.

 

[Overgod]

Man this thread is only two stars, no wonder coz it sucks ;x

 

[KidGamer65]

like i said i wasnt sure about this certain aspect so ill just hand you the victory regarding this part, even so i see no reason why itachi would need the flute when the genjutsu it self is already activated.

He needs the flute because he is actually, literally casting the Genjutsu himself after he analyzes and dispels Kabuto's. He isn't literally reflecting the Genjutsu by taking it off himself and sending it back to Kabuto.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You still haven't consider T Bogard's points on Sasuke giving Itachi some Sound 5 knowledge on countering.

Webs cannot be crushed Sussanoo arms especially with Sennien Mode enhanced. With no pior knowledge it sticks on him

 

[Prince Charles]

Man this thread is only two stars, no wonder coz it sucks ;x

yet your still commenting... why waste your time? smh..

 

[Prince Charles]

He needs the flute because he is actually, literally casting the Genjutsu himself after he analyzes and dispels Kabuto's. He isn't literally reflecting the Genjutsu by taking it off himself and sending it back to Kabuto.

Ill just agree with your point of view, it never played a huge role in my thread anyway.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

He doesnt always need his sight to fight a enemy

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he one shotted 2 naruto clones coming behind him without even looking nor turning his head which only hypes up his perception skills.

Ok, so a couple of shuriken are going to beat Kabuto right? Nahh.. But seriously, if Itachi's eyes are forced to be closed, then he can't reverse the sound genjutsu on Kabuto without his eyes.

Also here is something you might want to look at.

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Since you say Itachi could use a smoke screen to help him execute a shunshin and Totsuka combo, Kabuto can just do this. He can disperse his chakra into 6 different entities and probably even more. Which gives Itachi less than a 17% chance of hitting that combo under a smoke screen.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So itachi has no counter to Genjutsu and White Rage
With no piror knowledge:
-Webs will be a problem, Seed Fern Bone jutsu combo will end Itachi, since he has no partner