The anti-matter tech could lead to Obito's own demise

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At this point in time, we know quite a bit about Obito's 'dark chakra'. Hiruzen assumes it is made of 4 or more elements, but I think its clearly a combination of all 5. People speculated in the past that combining all 5 elements would lead to 'black hole release', well this is pretty close to it if you ask me. Combining all 5 elements leading to a form of matter that destroys or deletes anything and everything it comes in contact with.... black hole release, dark matter or anti-matter release, its all the same. We know that combining 2 is called a Bloodline Limit, combining 3 is a Bloodline Selection (where most people seem to refer to it as Bloodline Expansion), so why not call the combination of all 5 the Bloodline Perfection? I think it fits.

Whatever you want to call it, the anti-matter tech clearly has some rules to follow. Not that he has a time limit to using it, like Deva Path did with his gravity tech, instead he can only maintain a certain shape for a certain timeframe before having to form it a new.

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So he simply has to release the chakra in the form of an attack or defensive covering within a certain timeframe. We can only speculate, but perhaps trying to maintain it longer could lead to instability, perhaps causing a backlash. We can tell by the potency of this technique that if it were to backfire on Obito, it could lead to his own demise. We also know that character's own techs have lead to their own injury or can even lead to their own demise:

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Zaku's technique is actually surprisingly similar to the dark matter, because its source is the center of the hand. If Obito's hand was somehow plugged, it could lead to the detonation of the technique.

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In a situation similar to this, if the technique could somehow be re-directed to Obito, it could lead to a catastrophic wound, similar to the past Raikage here. Now I know this next one isn't even from the same manga.... but the similarity may still exist:

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If the technique could somehow be detonated inside Obito it would obviously lead to death. Now this one is clearly the least likely, but I thought it valid to bring up the point.

My point being that orchestrating a situation that causes the technique to backfire on Obito may be the only way to defeat him. Plugging the hole in his hand like Shino did with Zaku could work, but how do you impede the pathway of anti matter? Causing the jutsu to make contact with Obito's body himself, or from within his body, might also be a solution, but how do you cause that to happen? My solution is different but it follows the same train of thought:

We know that Obito is controlling the manipulation of the tech, so one simply has to severe his control of it while manipulating it, leading to a situation where it will detonate when separated from him. All one has to do is cut off his arm while he's manipulating the chakra and that should be enough. If Obito is building up the chakra with his hand and the connection is severed, given the fact that the technique can only stay in one shape for a limited amount of time, isn't it logical to think it would detonate if left alone too long? So if Obito is building up the chakra and gets his arm severed, it might be as simple as keeping him near the technique as it becomes unstable and eventually explodes, a job easily done by one of the edos.

In addition, the manga seems to imply that Obito's body is purposely avoiding contact with the Jutsu:

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You could, however, easily argue that he is coming in contact with it here:

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But either way, it seems that his body is at least attempting to make minimal contact with the active portions of the technique, so I think its very possible that this jutsu can be used in favor of Obito's own eventual demise.

Thoughts, comments, concerns, suggestions?
 

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I think he is too fast for the second option.
First is interesting.
@GIF: So true..its like everyone is using the same thing. Should be called Madarabase temporarily.

Thread Maker: I dont think Obito touching the spheres really matter. He hasnt shown to be avoiding touching them. The fact that they travel through the hole on his hand is either due to:
1. Simply character design
2. Thats just how it works.

Personally, I believe they will have to take a different approach to face him, obviously physical attacks dont harm him except by his own power.
I think they will have to enter that Bijjuzone, place where all Bijju reside in the Jinchuuriki. And battle in that state.
 

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Hmmm I believe Obito in his current state is way too fast for that, with the power of the 10 tails, we could assume that Obito is faster than both Naruto in BM & the 4th Hokage in KCM. Well that my assumption anyway. :cool:
 

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I think he is too fast for the second option.
First is interesting.
As I stated in the post, I don't really think any of the first three options are viable, really just building blocks to the idea I posted after.

@GIF: So true..its like everyone is using the same thing. Should be called Madarabase temporarily.

Thread Maker: I dont think Obito touching the spheres really matter. He hasnt shown to be avoiding touching them. The fact that they travel through the hole on his hand is either due to:
1. Simply character design
2. Thats just how it works.

Personally, I believe they will have to take a different approach to face him, obviously physical attacks dont harm him except by his own power.
I think they will have to enter that Bijjuzone, place where all Bijju reside in the Jinchuuriki. And battle in that state.
I would agree with option, two, that is simply how the jutsu works. But what I'm implying is that the jutsu works like that for a reason. It avoids contact with him automatically, or at least makes it so that the active portion of the jutsu never touches him at a minimum.

for redirecting things... i think minato is the right man to do that.. but the problem is how.. :nuts:
Again, I didn't mean to imply I believed any of the first three options would work, I personally thing that cutting off his arm while he's focusing the technique and letting it go off in his vicinity is the best option.

Hmmm I believe Obito in his current state is way too fast for that, with the power of the 10 tails, we could assume that Obito is faster than both Naruto in BM & the 4th Hokage in KCM. Well that my assumption anyway. :cool:
You talking about the redirecting idea or the severing the limb idea? I think Minato in his fastest state can still compete with him Obito, so I don't think the severing the limb idea is out of the question.
 

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On the redirecting topic, the spheres seem to remind me of tbb's. More specifically, the floating rasengans that Naruto had above his head when he learned about his KC manipulation. (Which are based off of the TBB.) And though Obito has not officially "shot" or "thrown" one yet, he has seperated from one by sticking it to Minato. If one were to be shot, it stands to reason that Minato could use the transportation jutsu that he used on Kurama's TBB to redirect it back at him. And considering that Minato was close enough, I believe he is quick witted enough to have retagged Obito, if retagging is in fact possible.

Also... this seems to be one of the more likely scenarios as to how they will deal with the one stuck to Minato right now.
 

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I've heard this theory before, but if it was an matter destroyer wouldn't the air itself be destroyed?

And if he can destroy matter he's easily one of the strongest anime characters, his power is comparable to DBZ.
 

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on another note, one cannot lump black holes, anti-matter, and dark matter as the same!

little is known about black holes.
anti-matter is matter whose atoms and quarks are inversely charged relative to matter particles.
dark matter is nonsense. theorized just to fit most grand unified theories.
 

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Every jutsu has a weakness, so... it is just plausible.

PS (to yoshi): Black holes are enormous quantity of compressed masses floating in the open space. Due to Newton's universal gravitation principle, black holes attracts other masses due to its great gravity field intensity.
 
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I actually think that he can hold this antimatter substance. He was able to earlier before his Rikudo form simply because he's a lot weaker then. Check out my thread on this matter.
 

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On the redirecting topic, the spheres seem to remind me of tbb's. More specifically, the floating rasengans that Naruto had above his head when he learned about his KC manipulation. (Which are based off of the TBB.) And though Obito has not officially "shot" or "thrown" one yet, he has seperated from one by sticking it to Minato. If one were to be shot, it stands to reason that Minato could use the transportation jutsu that he used on Kurama's TBB to redirect it back at him. And considering that Minato was close enough, I believe he is quick witted enough to have retagged Obito, if retagging is in fact possible.

Also... this seems to be one of the more likely scenarios as to how they will deal with the one stuck to Minato right now.
Indeed they are exactly the same as naruto's Rasengans. That just means naruto is very similar to the sage too (which we already knew) and that the original formation included TBB's hovering around, where Naruto's form replaced them with lesser TBB's, rasengans.

I've heard this theory before, but if it was an matter destroyer wouldn't the air itself be destroyed?

And if he can destroy matter he's easily one of the strongest anime characters, his power is comparable to DBZ.
No, air is not really matter in the sense that we know it. Even if it did 'destroy' the air, it wouldn't be noticeable. Basically air is so negligible itself, that it would not be noticeable.

so you create anti matter from combining all elements? :NO:
don't look for more than there is...
Uuuuh ya, anti matter is basically the closest thing you can compare it to. Considering each element basically has a polar opposite, then how else would you conclude all 5 elements would combine to be? It would have to be something that did not compare linearly with any other element, something completely different from any element out there. Anti matter is the closest explanation for that, if you ask me.

on another note, one cannot lump black holes, anti-matter, and dark matter as the same!

little is known about black holes.
anti-matter is matter whose atoms and quarks are inversely charged relative to matter particles.
dark matter is nonsense. theorized just to fit most grand unified theories.
I've always considered dark matter and anti-matter to be the same thing, so ya its closer to anti-matter. About the black holes, yes I lumped that in with them, not because they are similar, but because they are equally OP. So its more about the 3 being comparable in raw power, more than anything else.

I actually think that he can hold this antimatter substance. He was able to earlier before his Rikudo form simply because he's a lot weaker then. Check out my thread on this matter.
Note that the reason I brought up the manga chapter from bleach is to explain this very thing. Its not that he is indestructible, its that his skin almost certainly contains an immunity to it, or he can control the active portion of the anti-matter itself. So any parts of his jutsu that are active is like that because he is purposely activating it. Any part that he does not intend to harm an enemy with is left inactive, so it would not harm him. The part about the bleach chapter is to show that if he was somehow forced into contact with the active side of his technique, he would likely perish from it.
 

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But how do you come up with immunity to antimatter? Inactive parts of it? Why didn't he do that before? I feel that the reason he's touching it now is that his durabilty is through the roof.
 
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