[Theory] That Jutsu!

[Kurama2012]

no i did extensive reaserch and it says power.... that makes no sense ...dont use that jutsu??? j-man said don't use that power ...which is the kyubbi's power... j-man said this because he just trained with naruto for two years learning chackra control so he can control the kyubbi ....guess what j-man almost died which is why he says don't use that power...

well the volume says otherwise which is as close as it will get also the frog confirms it he says with this key you will be able to complete that jutsu

 

[Meowazziel]

actually in the naruto volumes it says "that jutsu" and the volumes are the best translations

Indeed.

its plausible, but if it is a mistranslation that makes all the difference. If it is jistu then you are talking about a specific tec. like water shark prison or rasengun. If it is power/ ability then you can be talking about something more along the lines of the beykugans 360 degree vision. So is it a tech. or jitsu?

It really doesnt matter if its a tech, power, ability, jutsu.
Jutsu is a huge word, it includes ''powers'' ''tech'' ''ability'' etc.

That makes sense to me. Through out the whole anime naruto has mainly been trained in chakra control.
Hi I'm new.

Thanks and welcome .

no i don't ... and it does matter what he said...that power or that jutsu because....if j-man knew naruto can't control the fox why would he say don't use that "jutsu" when he cant even control the fox and according to your theory he says "jutsu" but that contradicts what J-man is saying....Minato left a special power with naruto and thats is the nine tails point blank period .... withe fox's power naruto can defeat tobi...that is why minato sealed him in naruto

He said to not use it, obviously BECAUSE HE CANT DO IT properly yet. And you know Naruto his personality, he would just try it anyway, even though he cant handle it yet.
Minato just didnt leave only the ninetails, he wanted Naruto to be able to transform the chakra and share it.
That is why he left the key, that is why he and kushina, needed to be there to help him (and they infused their chakra to meet him).

Naruto cannot do it on his own with the fox power, but he can if he can transforms and shares it to others. That is what makes the difference, if he can share it to his friends and allies.

 

[NinJaGirl99]

That is exactly what I was thinking.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

well the volume says otherwise which is as close as it will get also the frog confirms it he says with this key you will be able to complete that jutsu

ok...theres a thread on here that talks about manga mistakes and mistranslations... "that jutsu" is one of the biggest topics on there... you will find a translator on there who has quite the credentials.... and that person translates it as "that power" not "that jutsu" sorry but "that jutsu does not make any sense n the context it is given....there's a lot of mistranslation on the scans....if you chose to believe that j-man said "that jutsu" cool but lets see if this guys theory is true tough. wink wink

Indeed.
It really doesnt matter if its a tech, power, ability, jutsu.
Jutsu is a huge word, it includes ''powers'' ''tech'' ''ability'' etc.
Thanks and welcome .
He said to not use it, obviously BECAUSE HE CANT DO IT properly yet. And you know Naruto his personality, he would just try it anyway, even though he cant handle it yet.
Minato just didnt leave only the ninetails, he wanted Naruto to be able to transform the chakra and share it.
That is why he left the key, that is why he and kushina, needed to be there to help him (and they infused their chakra to meet him).

Naruto cannot do it on his own with the fox power, but he can if he can transforms and shares it to others. That is what makes the difference, if he can share it to his friends and allies.

like i said j-man just trained with him and almost died ... he cant control the fox's chackra....now why would j-man tell naruto hey dont use that jutsu you kow the one that lets you share the fox's chackra with everyone...when he cant even control it himself...remember when naruto get's anrgy and is being over powered the fox comes out ....that whole arc was about him not using the fox's chackra remember captain yamato telling naruto dont use the fox's power

 

[Meowazziel]

ok...theres a thread on here that talks about manga mistakes and mistranslations... "that jutsu" is one of the biggest topics on there... you will find a translator on there who has quite the credentials.... and that person translates it as "that power" not "that jutsu" sorry but "that jutsu does not make any sense n the context it is given....there's a lot of mistranslation on the scans....if you chose to believe that j-man said "that jutsu" cool but lets see if this guys theory is true tough. wink wink

It doesnt matter if he said that power, that jutsu, that ablity, that tech. It all ends up in the same thing.
Minato wanted Naruto to master this. That is why he left the key scroll toad, that is why he infused his own and Kushina's chakra in naroto to help him gain control. Minato knew a special power was needed to win. Naruto having control of Kurama his chakra and only using it for himself, is not enough to win.

The only way to win is by transforming the chakra and sharing it. So that is the power/jutsu/tech/ability/whatever name, what is left behind for naruto. Jiraiya didnt want Naruto to use the fox chakra, because it went horribly wrong in their training and Jiraiya almost died. Obviously he didnt want this to happen again, on a mission with Kakashi and Sakura.

What Naruto has done all his life is chakra control.
The tree exercise, the water walking, the rasengan, the sage mode, the bijoubomb etc.
This is a step way beyond all those other steps. Being able to transform Kurama's chakra and share it.

You can keep stumbling over a word like jutsu, but in the end, it doesnt matter for the bigger picture, for the theory anyway.

like i said j-man just trained with him and almost died ... he cant control the fox's chackra....now why would j-man tell naruto hey dont use that jutsu you kow the one that lets you share the fox's chackra with everyone...when he cant even control it himself...remember when naruto get's anrgy and is being over powered the fox comes out ....that whole arc was about him not using the fox's chackra remember captain yamato telling naruto dont use the fox's power

Please dont put words in my mouth.

Just as rasengan has many steps.
From fuuton rasengan to fuuton rasen shuriken and bijoubombs.

That jutsu has many steps too.
Back than with Jiraiya they were busy with the step to control the fox chakra.
However that failed and naruto couldnt do it. So Jiraiya warned not to try it due to the risk.

The following up step was gaining control of the chakra, which Naruto managed with the help of his parents and Bee.

Than the next step was befriending Kurama.

The latest step of that jutsu, is transforming it and sharing it to others.

 

[Kurama2012]

ok...theres a thread on here that talks about manga mistakes and mistranslations... "that jutsu" is one of the biggest topics on there... you will find a translator on there who has quite the credentials.... and that person translates it as "that power" not "that jutsu" sorry but "that jutsu does not make any sense n the context it is given....there's a lot of mistranslation on the scans....if you chose to believe that j-man said "that jutsu" cool but lets see if this guys theory is true tough. wink wink

well its been mentioned in the manga volumes plenty of times and each time it says jutsu not power also if you say the ones who do the volumes can make mistakes so can this guy you mentioned

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

ok i can see you guys don't like having healthy arguments.... so now it doesn't matter what he said as long as your right ....right?? ok man is see where this is going.

 

[Meowazziel]

ok i can see you guys don't like having healthy arguments.... so now it doesn't matter what he said as long as your right ....right?? ok man is see where this is going.

You are just stumbling and tunnelvisioning over a word up to the point that you become blind for the bigger picture. Even if he called it ''that thing'' instead of that jutsu or some other name, its still the thing Minato wanted Naruto to complete.

I replied to your edit on the previous page, with an edit of my own.
Read it over carefully and with an open mind.
Thanks.

 

[niblack89]

I'm torn with this theory. It actually is plauseable but it just doesn't seem right. What jiraya actual said was don't use that jutsu. Even in the Anime dub he says jutsu. We know that jutsu is based off using Kurama's power as the key toad said that if he mastered Kurama's chakra he could finally complete "that jutsu". If it was the infamous "that jutsu" it would have been said. I just think this is an ability Naruto learned from Kurama and mastered it.

 

[Kurama2012]

You are just stumbling and tunnelvisioning over a word up to the point that you become blind for the bigger picture. Even if he called it ''that thing'' instead of that jutsu or some other name, its still the thing Minato wanted Naruto to complete.

I replied to your edit on the previous page, with an edit of my own.
Read it over carefully and with an open mind.
Thanks.

the only thing with naruto sharing fox chakra with everyone how could minato know that naruto would need more people like he only seen tobi being the threat and he said that it would be naruto who beats him so minato couldnt anticipate the juubi or edo armys and that lot so i dont see this being what minato expected just that naruto would control kuramas chakra

 

[Meowazziel]

I'm torn with this theory. It actually is plauseable but it just doesn't seem right. What jiraya actual said was don't use that jutsu. Even in the Anime dub he says jutsu. We know that jutsu is based off using Kurama's power as the key toad said that if he mastered Kurama's chakra he could finally complete "that jutsu". If it was the infamous "that jutsu" it would have been said. I just think this is an ability Naruto learned from Kurama and mastered it.

You say ''we know ''that jutsu'' is based off using kurama's power as the key toad said''.
Isnt that confirming my theory?
The jutsu is based off using Kurama's power.
That is what Naruto is doing, using Kurama's power.

And using it for his own is not enough to win, we could see that.
And minato said a special power is required to win and he entrusted Naruto with this mission.
Minato could (on a much lower lvl than naruto) transform and share chakra too. He did it on the seals and in Naruto's seal to meet him.
Naruto is using it on a much higher lvl and larger scale.

Naruto his life has all been about control. Control of his emotions, control of chakra.
and now we have arrived at the point, that he can control Kurama's power, he can transform it and share it.
Jiraiya was just one of the steps (trying to control the power) and gamatora with his explantion to pull the chakra and not the will.
Bee was another step with the waterfall and the pulling the chakra.
Naruto his parents helped in the step with controlling the chakra too.
Itachi was a step as well (I dont mean that Minato wanted these people to help, just saying, before someone mentions that) in letting Naruto know, he cant do it alone.
Than Naruto befriended Kurama some time later.
And now he can control, transform and share the chakra and they are fighting the threat that Minato predicted.

the only thing with naruto sharing fox chakra with everyone how could minato know that naruto would need more people like he only seen tobi being the threat and he said that it would be naruto who beats him so minato couldnt anticipate the juubi or edo armys and that lot so i dont see this being what minato expected just that naruto would control kuramas chakra

Well, it cant be done without naruto now can it? He is a saviour and Minato and Kushina used a similar power to transform and share chakra on a lower scale and lower lvl, in the seals like Naruto his stomache. That power is expanded on.

 

[Kurama2012]

You say ''we know ''that jutsu'' is based off using kurama's power as the key toad said''.
Isnt that confirming my theory?
The jutsu is based off using Kurama's power.
That is what Naruto is doing, using Kurama's power.

And using it for his own is not enough to win, we could see that.
And minato said a special power is required to win and he entrusted Naruto with this mission.
Minato and Kushina could (on a much lower lvl than naruto) transform and share their chakra too. They did it on the seals and in Naruto's seal to meet him.
Naruto is using it on a much higher lvl and larger scale.

Naruto his life has all been about control. Control of his emotions, control of chakra.
and now we have arrived at the point, that he can control Kurama's power, he can transform it and share it.
Jiraiya was just one of the steps (trying to control the power) and gamatora with his explantion to pull the chakra and not the will.
Bee was another step with the waterfall and the pulling the chakra.
Than Naruto befriended Kurama.
And now he can control, transform and share the chakra and they are fighting the threat that Minato predicted.

but wasnt it shikaku who came up with this plan not naruto im just still hoping for more to be honest ill except this theory for now

 

[Meowazziel]

but wasnt it shikaku who came up with this plan not naruto im just still hoping for more to be honest ill except this theory for now

It doesnt really matter who tbh. It is still what Minato left for Naruto. Minato saw a threat and knew special powers were needed to stop it. So he left all the tools behind for Naruto. With those tools, Naruto can get to the point he has reached right now. Kurama already showed being able to share it (to Gai and Kakashi) before Shikaku was even involved btw.
Reaching a friendship with Kurama leads to a point of gaining the info how to as well, if it wasnt already there.

I am hoping for more info from the manga too. Stuff that 100% seals the deal .

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

to be honest man , this is confusing.... like niblak felt that's how i felt it just doesnt seem right and there is such a thing as twisting a bit to fit your theory ... for example you say that there are steps to this Jutsu/ability but the idea of rasengan itsself is a type of jutsu that if you have fire element it could be different ,wind element obviously different so there's no steps to the jutsu....you only have to know how to mold and manipulate chakra which most shinobi's know how to do.

i get what your saying nobody is blind im just using critical thinking because to get the big picture you need to look at all the little ones first.

 

[infumous]

This is not "that jutsu" "that power" whatever you wanna call it. End of story

 

[Eternal Moonless Sky]

I really don't care if it's "that jutsu" or "that power", what I want to see is Naruto transferring Kurama's chakra to the five Kage when they come, but there is always possibility that Tsunade won't show up.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

I really don't care if it's "that jutsu" or "that power", what I want to see is Naruto transferring Kurama's chakra to the five Kage when they come, but there is always possibility that Tsunade won't show up.

for all we know naruto secretly sent a clone to their location lol

 

[Meowazziel]

to be honest man , this is confusing.... like niblak felt that's how i felt it just doesnt seem right and there is such a thing as twisting a bit to fit your theory ... for example you say that there are steps to this Jutsu/ability but the idea of rasengan itsself is a type of jutsu that if you have fire element it could be different ,wind element obviously different so there's no steps to the jutsu....you only have to know how to mold and manipulate chakra which most shinobi's know how to do.

i get what your saying nobody is blind im just using critical thinking because to get the big picture you need to look at all the little ones first.

Didnt want to offend you, just wanted to ask for an open mind .

You need to get the little ones in order to have the bigger picture right that is true, but you need to be a bit flexible with the details too, its a manga with translations, you cant take everything to literally because of that.

If it is called a jutsu, a power or a thing even, it isnt really much of a problem.
Minato believed naruto could stop the threat for this world and he left the tools behind to do this and even helped a bit on the way, together with Kushina. He left the Key behind, so that Jiraiya could help too.
It doesnt really matter with which step they helped.

Eventually Naruto has reached an important point now.
Being able to fight this threat with the tools that were left behind.
Something Minato believed that Naruto could do (backed up a bit with Jiraiya's professy).
Minato might not have predicted every little detail, but he did know the bigger picture.

Even if Kurama told him how to transform and share it, than Kurama is just someone helping along the way. He is a tool(sounds so negative, I dont mean it like that) that Minato left for Naruto.
Minato didnt knew Bee would help, that is for sure, but Bee has helped as well, in the waterfall of truth and in the chakra tug of war.

I get what you and Niblak are feeling and saying, but in the end, what Minato left behind were tools to reach the point of stopping this threat to the world that Minato saw incomming. Being able to stop this threat is that jutsu imo and many people have helped Naruto in reaching that point.
Naruto can control Kurama his power completely now and the highest ability of that control is transforming and sharing the chakra.
The shinobi alliance is posing a threat right now to Tobi and Madara.

Anyway, I get what you are saying but I dont feel that the little details harm the bigger picture, like the name of ''that jutsu'' or Minato knowing every little detail before he died. Naruto is still achieving what minato wanted him to achieve with the tools he gave him. Stopping the threat. and Naruto is doing that with the ablity to transform and share the chakra.

It falls nicely in place with Itachi his words, how Naruto shouldnt try to do everything alone, but that he needs his comrades.

About Rasengan.
Rasengan was designed by looking at the tailed beast bomb as Bee figured out.
It doesnt matter if you have wind, fire etc.
The steps in rasengan have enabled Naruto to do Bijoubomb in human form. Bee cant do that.

No way that Naruto could have done that, without other steps like adding his elemental chakra to Rasengan. It is already hard enough to do a Rasengan. Than you have to add your element to it. Bijoubomb is even harder with yin yang chakra. It builds up in steps.

Rasengan is not something every shinobi can do, just as Sakura her monster strength is not possible for everyone.
Just as sage mode is not possible for everyone.
Konohamaru has superp chakra control apparently though.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

@meownverse i hope that the answer is revealed soon

 

[badoera]

Very nice indeed! I think you're right! Good job mate!

The chakra exchange thing you explained is perfect