Tenseigan = Rinnegan?

[Sennin of Logic]

Because presumably both hyuga and otsutsuki were even more fodders then they are not until that fateful day mommy kaguya ate the damn fruit and everybody got chakra ever since.

However sharingan, rinnegan, KKGs, it all comes from fruit and in itself is much superior to byakugans that dont share same root.



Are you forgetting that naruto has sage's chakra here? He himself admits?

Don't know about that. For starters, what matters with the dojutsus is the chakra behind it. Kaguya's main techniques do not utilize sharingan-like abilities, but the Byakugan. The Ootsutsuki that Toneri takes his tiensengan from are Haruma's decendants, and he had Rikkudo chakra, scaling like that is not applicable. The byakugans could be stronger as a result of the fruit. In any case, don't underestimate the Hyuga. They're incredibly strong, and I'd argue that a good Byakugan user exceeds a good 3T sharingan user if nothing else is a factor. (though it looses to MS, but this is arguably due to the Uchiha having a strong chakra behind it like susanoo)

 

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If a SM naruto did that to Juudara, imagine what he can do in kcsm. The last is a timeskip too so naruto most likely got faster & stronger. There's a reason why Madara absorbed the tree to get stronger.

He is using Six Path Senjutsu bruh :|

 

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Btw credability of Wiki lmao

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[Lost Woods Denizen]

Chakra is weapon in itself lol, also ashura path allows for all kinds future weaponology lmao

Allow me to clear up the bolded. The chakra being used as a weapon in and of itself referred to the remote control and shape manipulation of the chakra shroud into weapons. Toneri made a ring of orb shaped chakra, and he also created a beam-like sword able to split the moon in half. He was also able to use the orbs to fire volleys of lasers. The rinnegan is not able to do this.

You are correct that the Shura path allows for the creation and usage of futuristic weaponry, but each individual weapon is not as strong as what was displayed by the tenseigan's chakra weapons. The missiles would be caused to explode before even reaching the tenseigan user due to the lasers, the rocket punch would suffer the same fate, and the bladed weapons would be trumped by the sword of light. The energy weapons displayed by Shura path also would not do anything because another ability of the tenseigan is the gudoudama (something the rinnegan does not inherently offer) which can block the attacks (Toneri used the gudoudama dome shield to repel Naruto's attacks, but Naruto's usage of digging a hole and uppercutting through the ground, the same as the time with Neji, it what made that move obsolete.)

The rinnegan is more powerful because of the variety of the techniques that it offers, differing from the refined but high level abilities that the tenseigan offers.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Oh, interesting. I reread Toneri's wiki page. Apparently 2. was correct. It states that it gives him speed, strength, and durability equal to Rikkudo Sage Mode. (now the statements make sense)

 

[AlphaScythian]

Don't know about that. For starters, what matters with the dojutsus is the chakra behind it. Kaguya's main techniques do not utilize sharingan-like abilities, but the Byakugan. The Ootsutsuki that Toneri takes his tiensengan from are Haruma's decendants, and he had Rikkudo chakra, scaling like that is not applicable. The byakugans could be stronger as a result of the fruit. In any case, don't underestimate the Hyuga. They're incredibly strong, and I'd argue that a good Byakugan user exceeds a good 3T sharingan user if nothing else is a factor. (though it looses to MS, but this is arguably due to the Uchiha having a strong chakra behind it like susanoo)

Yes byakugan got stronger cuz users now have chakra for gentle fist as opposed to X-ray vision only.
However a user with 3t owns same byakugan user in CQC because of precog if we dismiss rotation which is rather advanced chakra control not all achieve.

3t sasuke, itachi, obito, madara own any byakugan user lol.

The rinnegan is more powerful because of the variety of the techniques that it offers, differing from the refined but high level abilities that the tenseigan offers.

You cant drop such wall of text on people U_U
Anyway all those attacks you mentioned are achievable with rinnegan provided same chakra quantity and power behind users.
Ahura path obliterated bunch of buildings while being small inferior portion of nagato let alone powered by shit load of chakra from byakugans.

 

[Gerkak]

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This is full kurama chakra sage mode, Naruto didn't lose his rikudou chakra. SM naruto was able to outstep, overpower and damage pre-shinju one eye'd Juudara.

Wasn't the naruto that attacked madara still rikudo enhanced?

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

Yes byakugan got stronger cuz users now have chakra for gentle fist as opposed to X-ray vision only.
However a user with 3t owns same byakugan user in CQC because of precog if we dismiss rotation which is rather advanced chakra control not all achieve.

3t sasuke, itachi, obito, madara own any byakugan user lol.


You cant drop such wall of text on people U_U
Anyway all those attacks you mentioned are achievable with rinnegan provided same chakra quantity and power behind users.
Ahura path obliterated bunch of buildings while being small inferior portion of nagato let alone powered by shit load of chakra from byakugans.

This is true, which brings us back to the most important thing about weapons: the effectiveness depends on the skill of the user. But, strictly speaking about what abilities the tenseigan provide the user versus the abilities that the tenseigan affords the user, tenseigan excels in areas that rinnegan does not, and vice versa.

 

[Dragon Master]

rinnegan allows u to create satellites aka moons

Rinnegan + Yang Seal + Yin Seal = Create a Moon-Size CT

 

[riley freeman]

I really, really doubt that,

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Yes byakugan got stronger cuz users now have chakra for gentle fist as opposed to X-ray vision only.
However a user with 3t owns same byakugan user in CQC because of precog if we dismiss rotation which is rather advanced chakra control not all achieve.

3t sasuke, itachi, obito, madara own any byakugan user lol.


You cant drop such wall of text on people U_U
Anyway all those attacks you mentioned are achievable with rinnegan provided same chakra quantity and power behind users.
Ahura path obliterated bunch of buildings while being small inferior portion of nagato let alone powered by shit load of chakra from byakugans.

No, any one of them would be wrecked by Hiashi. Regardless, I'll get more to the point at hand. This is the equivalent of the power of 2 byakugans.

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It's able to repel the physical strength of the juubi. Imagine what thousands of this power can do.

 

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Rinnegan + Yang Seal + Yin Seal = Create a Moon-Size CT

Read my next post bruh

Sage create moon at his death bed to seal gedo mezou in it while at the time Hamura was already there on the moon gaurding gedo mezou

Dat logic :leaf:

 

[riley freeman]

This is true, which brings us back to the most important thing about weapons: the effectiveness depends on the skill of the user. But, strictly speaking about what abilities the tenseigan provide the user versus the abilities that the tenseigan affords the user, tenseigan excels in areas that rinnegan does not, and vice versa.

But the rinnegan excels in more areas than the tenseigan, a lot more areas

 

[riley freeman]

No, any one of them would be wrecked by Hiashi. Regardless, I'll get more to the point at hand. This is the equivalent of the power of 2 byakugans.

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It's able to repel the physical strength of the juubi. Imagine what thousands of this power can do.

3T sharingan is easily above the byakugan, neji, the hyuuga prodigy wouldn't be able to beat a regular 3T uchiha and would lose easily against the top uchihas

 

[Lost Woods Denizen]

But the rinnegan excels in more areas than the tenseigan, a lot more areas

Yes, which is what I initially said. The rinnegan is better because of the variety of techniques that it allows the user, whereas the tenseigan allows a high level of efficiency through the refining of fewer techniques.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

3T sharingan is easily above the byakugan, neji, the hyuuga prodigy wouldn't be able to beat a regular 3T uchiha and would lose easily against the top uchihas

Um, lol no?! Palm rotation counters fire style. Neji has the same speed ranking as Sasuke, with higher taijutsu skill, and 64 palms could end him if he didn't have something like curse mark.

 

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Um, lol no?! Palm rotation counters fire style. Neji has the same speed ranking as Sasuke, with higher taijutsu skill, and 64 palms could end him if he didn't have something like curse mark.

Lmao Hebi Sasuke negs any form of Neji and dats not even debatable :|

 

[riley freeman]

Um, lol no?! Palm rotation counters fire style. Neji has the same speed ranking as Sasuke, with higher taijutsu skill, and 64 palms could end him if he didn't have something like curse mark.

Same rank doesn't mean same speed, uchiha's with 3T have a lot more potentials than the strongest byakugan users. Uchihas also have genjutsu which would end the battle before it starts, uchiha's can read movements faster than the 64 palms and would dodge it easily, it's not even a fair fight

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Lmao Hebi Sasuke negs any form of Neji and dats not even debatable :|

No, it's not debatable. It's not because of the curse mark and MS. Take away those, and Neji takes him. I love the fact that everyone ignores that Neji bested the likes of 3 Kisame clones at CQB.

 

[Stxluciferr]

Um, lol no?! Palm rotation counters fire style. Neji has the same speed ranking as Sasuke, with higher taijutsu skill, and 64 palms could end him if he didn't have something like curse mark.

Even without curse mark 3t Sasuke solos. Neji can't deal with summons and nagashi as well as sharp spear and Katons means Sasuke can comfortably fight this in the mid range. Sasuke only loses if he tries to force cqc.