A Kage level skilled ninja with multiple advanced KKGs, losing to Kimimaro (about high jounin level, around part 1 Kakashi level at max or starting of part 2 kakashi)?
Kimmimaro bones forest kills Mei and possibly Hiruzen... Kabuto at that age has fought on par with Kakashi multiple times add CM2 Sasuke Kimmimaro and Dosu Kakashi gets overwhelmed Orochimaru beats Hiruzen seeing as Hiruzen ace in the hole(Reaper death seal ) is restricted...
@Bold.. rofl what? Kills Hiruzen.. the guy who is skilled in multiple combat forms, and was taking on 2 Edo tensei ninja that were easily stronger than Kimimaro? Is this a joke? Enma f*ckin destroys kimimaro.
He gets extra durable when he enters CM2, so he should be able to last in the Acid Mist long enough to finish her with his Sawarabi no Mai, his one move that doesn't require him to be in close quarters with the enemy...one move that'll do anything here anyway. Acid Mist's potency drops due to the fact that they are outside. It's range won't cover all of the Sawarabi no Mai bones, and Kimimaro can travel within the bones to get to Mei, and kill her. Her Suitons are tanked, her Lava Globs are dodged.
If he can't solo, then the others can help, offer some support, specifically the some of the other Sound 5 members, and maybe Orochimaru but he's not needed. I'm sure Kimimaro can take it though.
A Kage level skilled ninja with multiple advanced KKGs, losing to Kimimaro (about high jounin level, around part 1 Kakashi level at max or starting of part 2 kakashi)?
He gets extra durable when he enters CM2, so he should be able to last in the Acid Mist long enough to finish her with his Sawarabi no Mai, his one move that doesn't require him to be in close quarters with the enemy...one move that'll do anything here anyway. Acid Mist's potency drops due to the fact that they are outside. It's range won't cover all of the Sawarabi no Mai bones, and Kimimaro can travel within the bones to get to Mei, and kill her. Her Suitons are tanked, her Lava Globs are dodged.
If he can't solo, then the others can help, offer some support, specifically the some of the other Sound 5 members, and maybe Orochimaru but he's not needed. I'm sure Kimimaro can take it though.
Interesting point. I knew Kimimaro's regeneration was very impressive, but I forgot about durability. He did survive and break through Gaara's giant sand waterfall, now that I remember.
Ahhh a real debater Evani thats who you are huh, you'll have to wait
Gian-Not that hard to deal with here. Chidori can block it, Black Chidori can block it, or Sasuke can outright evade it, since Kakashi (not as fast as Hebi Sasuke) was able to swoop in from God knows where and intercept the attack, or Manda can tank. A sword through the head didn't kill him, so a tiny ass lightning bolt is going to do as much damage as an IV would do to me. Lol
Chidori can't block it my man Raikiri barely blocked it and its a stronger jutsu, don't forget Kakuzu can create two bolts of lightning Sasuke can't use chidori in both hands I don't believe? So he can't block both. So if he does go for the route of blocking one he gets wrecked by the second. Bruh these aren't tiny
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They're about the width of a human, although It does seem as though I've underestimated Manda's size .-. I suppose the strategy will have to change if Manda ever opens his jaw to attack any of the hearts Gian can rip through the inside just a point, although Manda I suppose would have to be dealt with by Fuuton + Katon
Atsugai-Didn't Kakashi evade this point blank? Yes, he did, but Zex has a point when he says it's easier to evade from point blank, due to the fact you won't have to deal with the widespread AoE, but even then, Sasuke can probably still dodge it. [
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] Pretty sure this scan was already posted, but Sasuke evaded an attack with that speed, and that large AoE in Base, imagine him doing so using the Curse Mark, which increases his physical abilities. Worst case, if he can't dodge it, he tanks it with his wing, as it takes a direct hit from C2 to blow it off. C2>>>Atsugai.
Awww Kishi so over exagerates his explosions >.> He didn't dodge it he magically came out of the explosion unharmed. Second you know Atsugi has a completely different point of attack then C2, It merely causes extreme pressure on the opponent, covering yourself with a strengthened win will merely have it collapse on top of you? Don't forget if he does do that Kakuzu can easily immediately follow with a gian and if his wing is up, he can't pre-cog it. Sasuke just doesn't have enough to not be overwhelmed by Kakuzu's numbers and jutsu scales. Manda makes this a harder matchup though, but tbh I'm not even sure how great Sasuke has control over him even with the sharingan but that's just me, Manda was free of the control pretty quickly whether Sasuke released it or not his Sharingan was still active
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Zukkoku-Katon is outright evaded on foot, or by gliding, tanked by CS2 Wings (Already tanked Katon before) or Manda tanks it with zero lasting damage.
Underbelly of a snake may be more vulnerable I can't remember if that's a thing maybe I'm thinking about a turtle but yeah this by itself is rather useless.
Fuuton-Katon combo- Not gonna claim that Sasuke can tank it, but Manda took Toad Oil Flame Bullet and lived due to the ability to shed his skin, he tanks this for Sasuke.
Manda can't constantly shed skin (Based on the biology of an actual snake), Kakuzu can constantly use this jutsu if Kakuzu and the Raiton heart can keep Sasuke himself at bay for a little, this jutsu can overwhelm Manda given time don't forget that even if manda actually does attack the hearts and successfully swallows one their still alive for a while (Do I really need to get the CE scan?) So the jutsu can be used on the inside as well.
Domu-Once he gets close enough, Chidori kills him, and that's one heart down. Or Chidori Senbon can kill him from a distance, or he can kill him at mid range using Chidori Eiso, which lets him easily sever any threads that Kakuzu may try and attack him with along with cutting him apart. If Chidori Eiso cuts him apart, the match is done right then and there since he can't pull himself back together.
A normal chidori can still be overwhelmed by Kakuzu's long range threaded attacks
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Chidori's not slicing all of those, Eiso maybe when using the Eiso attack Kakuzu would need on of his hearts to back him up, so if Sasuke does rush him he'd have to be wary of his behind, in my scenario I did keep the Raiton heart with Kakuzu, given its intense speed even if he does block it (Again multiple gian bolts) It would still negate the blitz, Doton is only useful against manda really though I wouldn't advise him using it anywhere else.
Masks-If they come out individually, Manda should be able to take them on. None of their attacks deal lasting damage, Manda is shown to be fast, and he'll have support from Sasuke as well.
Don't forget the snake digestion theory, Individually manda gets overwhelmed by a flying fuuton+katon combo, FLYING on the ground would be more susceptible to manda underground although its not like he's very discreet while going underground
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Also don't forget manda still fell for that Tsunade attack, so his reaction feats aren't that great
Chidori can't block it my man Raikiri barely blocked it and its a stronger jutsu, don't forget Kakuzu can create two bolts of lightning Sasuke can't use chidori in both hands I don't believe? So he can't block both. So if he does go for the route of blocking one he gets wrecked by the second. Bruh these aren't tiny
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They're about the width of a human, although It does seem as though I've underestimated Manda's size .-. I suppose the strategy will have to change if Manda ever opens his jaw to attack any of the hearts Gian can rip through the inside just a point, although Manda I suppose would have to be dealt with by Fuuton + Katon
How did Raikiri barely block it? Kakashi was completely uninjured? Regardless, Black Chidori>Raikiri, so he should be able to block it. And why wouldn't Sasuke be able to use Chidori in both hands? There isn't some special attribute that Kakashi has that lets him use it in both hands, if it's Raiton Mastery, Kakashi and Sasuke are both masters, and I'd say Sasuke surpasses him in that front.
Yeah, a width of a human is nothing to Manda, especially when it took a giant sword through it's head and lived. Gian can't kill it no matter where it hits.
Awww Kishi so over exagerates his explosions >.> He didn't dodge it he magically came out of the explosion unharmed.
Lol....no. If he was in the explosion, he'd be dead, or at the very least, injured. Deidara notes his speed, we see him uninjured, thus he dodged it completely.
Second you know Atsugi has a completely different point of attack then C2, It merely causes extreme pressure on the opponent, covering yourself with a strengthened win will merely have it collapse on top of you?
Different way of dealing damage? Sure. Does it change the fact that one is stronger than the other? Nope. In reality, the type of damage is irrelevant, all that matters is the damage per unit area, and the amount of surface area the move affects. A weaker attack can potentially do much more than a stronger attack, if that weaker attack affects a much smaller surface area than the strong attack. Precisely why Tenpenchii makes a large ass crater, but doesn't kill any cloaked fodders.
Atsugai and C2 aren't that far apart when it comes to AoE, that Atsugai would do more than C2.
And how would Sasuke's wing collapse on him if:
1. It's attached to his body.
2. It's strong enough to take the attack.
Don't forget if he does do that Kakuzu can easily immediately follow with a gian and if his wing is up, he can't pre-cog it.
He can't fire the Gian if the Wind is still hitting Sasuke, and once the wind is gone, Sasuke will be able to see whatever is coming at him as there will be no need to keep his wing up, thus he'll see Gian coming and he'll block it or evade it.
Sasuke just doesn't have enough to not be overwhelmed by Kakuzu's numbers and jutsu scales.
Manda makes this a harder matchup though, but tbh I'm not even sure how great Sasuke has control over him even with the sharingan but that's just me, Manda was free of the control pretty quickly whether Sasuke released it or not his Sharingan was still active
If Sasuke released it, then he released it, if not, it was because of his lack of chakra. Sharingan controls summons, and Manda was already shown to be nothing but a slave in front of it. 100% sure that controlling him for this match will be no issue.
Underbelly of a snake may be more vulnerable I can't remember if that's a thing maybe I'm thinking about a turtle but yeah this by itself is rather useless.
Lol, that is definitely a turtle you are thinking of.
Manda can't constantly shed skin (Based on the biology of an actual snake), Kakuzu can constantly use this jutsu if Kakuzu and the Raiton heart can keep Sasuke himself at bay for a little, this jutsu can overwhelm Manda given time don't forget that even if manda actually does attack the hearts and successfully swallows one their still alive for a while (Do I really need to get the CE scan?) So the jutsu can be used on the inside as well.
No, he can't constantly shed his skin, but the Fire and Wind masks won't be around long enough for Kakuzu to continue spamming this jutsu. Manda sheds his skin, goes underground and comes up right behind the masks and swats them into the ground, thus killing them, or Manda attacks them, they evade and Sasuke finishes them off from behind with Chidori Eiso or Chidori Senbo.
He doesn't need to swallow them to kill them. He can crush them in his mouth, crush them with his tail.
A normal chidori can still be overwhelmed by Kakuzu's long range threaded attacks
That's why he has Manda, and other summoned snakes.
in my scenario I did keep the Raiton heart with Kakuzu, given its intense speed even if he does block it (Again multiple gian bolts) It would still negate the blitz, Doton is only useful against manda really though I wouldn't advise him using it anywhere else.
Then that makes it easier if Sasuke is rushing in with Chidori Eiso, since the Raiton Heart is really the only thing that'll hurt him, and Manda. If he charges at Kakuzu, and Kakuzu responds by using Gian, Sasuke simply evades it and continues along his way, and once
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, Chidori Eiso takes him out.
Don't forget the snake digestion theory, Individually manda gets overwhelmed by a flying fuuton+katon combo, FLYING on the ground would be more susceptible to manda underground although its not like he's very discreet while going underground
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Also don't forget manda still fell for that Tsunade attack, so his reaction feats aren't that great
Manda won't be eating anything here, so it's not an issue.
Nope. He takes it, shed's his skin if he needs to, and then takes out the masks that attacked him, or attacks them, allowing Sasuke to flank them himself. Assuming that the Fuuton Katon combo can even make Manda have to shed his skin, considering Toad Oil Flame Bullet>>>>Kakuzu's Fuuton Katon Combo.
No, he's not discreet, but he's fast so it makes up for it. As for Tsunade, you can't react properly you can't perceive.
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allowing her to hit him from the back and pin him, a scan that only helps me illustrate how Kakuzu's masks (Even slower than Manda) get obliterated by Manda and Sasuke.
Those threads have shown nothing to lead us to believe they are anywhere near as durable as B's tentacles...they haven't even shown any durability feats period. I'm 110% sure that any kind of Raiton Enhanced Blade would cut right through them.
So why is this moron still bringing it up if he knows it can be cut? KG is on the same page with me and even repeated points I already gave. I don't see you calling him "idiot" or "blind" or saying his arguments are awful. The truth is, you're a full blown idiot. This is most likely the last time you'll hear from me especially considering the fact that you went crying to him about how bad I am and yet my points convinced him back to thinking Sasuke wins. I'm out.
So why is this moron still bringing it up if he knows it can be cut? KG is on the same page with me and even repeated points I already gave. I don't see you calling him "idiot" or "blind" or saying his arguments are awful. The truth is, you're a full blown idiot. This is most likely the last time you'll hear from me especially considering the fact that you went crying to him about how bad I am and yet my points convinced him back to thinking Sasuke wins. I'm out.
Hidden sound low diff.
Sasuke rapes Kakuzu with his Raiton advantage.
Kimimaro destroys Mei alone, or simply has Suigetsu to make it easier for him.
Hiruzen loses again to Oro. Make Hiruzen with edo feats, but no regn.
Kakashi loses to Kidomaru, Karin and Kabuto. (Any anyone random to make it worse for Kakashi).
How did Raikiri barely block it? Kakashi was completely uninjured? Regardless, Black Chidori>Raikiri, so he should be able to block it. And why wouldn't Sasuke be able to use Chidori in both hands? There isn't some special attribute that Kakashi has that lets him use it in both hands, if it's Raiton Mastery, Kakashi and Sasuke are both masters, and I'd say Sasuke surpasses him in that front.
Ugh my ****ing original post got all deleted but **** it, Anyways my man if you're going to claim Sasuke can use two Chidoris in both hands despite never actually accomplishing the feat then I'll have to bring up my own point that has no feats but has been stated to be true.
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In the DB Kishis states without hyperbole mind you or the usual hyping, that Kakuzu can clearly fire more bolts of lighting to take down "Multiple" Enemies I won't state he can fire off like 20 but he can still get probably a good 5 with his chakra reserves. So alas Sasuke still has no defense. Also Kakashi's clothing still was anihalted despite being 3 ranks above Gian and Chidori is even lesser so, he was also pushed backwards (Note the feet movement in the top scan)
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So again Raikiri barely blocked the force of an attack 3 ranks lower, giving a testament to Kakuzu's true mastery of the element. Also it was referenced that apparently on Page 52 of the DB It says that Black Chidori is merely the same as chidori with a different chakra nature or something or other, tried my damnest but couldn't find the page, either way its a stretch to say he could use BLACK Chidori on both hands my man, normal i'll accept but black? Come on he never even used that shit in Shippuden.
Yeah, a width of a human is nothing to Manda, especially when it took a giant sword through it's head and lived. Gian can't kill it no matter where it hits.
Lightning through the inside width of a human is still deadly to manda? Even if he doesn't have his mouth open it would rip through the front, swallowing a pin still causes us quite a bit of harm does it not? 2 or more lightning bolts ripping through his trachea and left long even with such small (Comparatively bolts) would do some damage, hell a snakes hearts not far off form the mouth
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And the bolts are AT LEAST 15-20 meters in length who knows how far they would of gone had Kakashi not blocked it
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Tbh man an attack directed straight at manda's mouth would provide fatal to him imo, if not reaching the heart it would puncture the lung at least. However this would be hard but lets be honest a tail isn't going to take down a heart that tanked Chouji's enhanced fist (threaded body acts as cushion against crushing attacks)
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Think you brought this up later on as well, Manda would have to attack directly head on. Don't get me wrong the masks would still be able to avoid Manda's attacks in the air, but if they do get hit its questionable if they actually fall.
Lol....no. If he was in the explosion, he'd be dead, or at the very least, injured. Deidara notes his speed, we see him uninjured, thus he dodged it completely.
How can you dodge something without leaving the blast radius though? He was still there after the explosion, it was pure smoke when we see him leave, case and point he either blocked again, or the explosion wasn't actually all that big? Deidara can't see through his own explosion? So we can't fully take his word as law, besides that explosion you linked before isn't as large as fuutons AoE
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That's only 3/4th of it mind you as it cuts of the rest, need I remind you how large those tree's are. Also the tree's in the area where the attack was launched were already knocked down
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So the fact that we see standing tree's means not only is it quite vertical its horizontal range is pretty damn good as well my man, don't underestimate atsugi.
Different way of dealing damage? Sure. Does it change the fact that one is stronger than the other? Nope. In reality, the type of damage is irrelevant, all that matters is the damage per unit area,
You make it seem like damage in itself is its own physics unit? Also as i've learned recently air can become toxic at such high air pressure, so even if he does avoid it, he still may be slowed down by the remaining air, Honestly Kakashi was lucky as shit to be right next to the heart and revert around? At the very least he'd become dizzy when avoiding the jutsu? Raising the air pessure to the extreme opens a whole lot of possibilities for Sasuke to be slowed down?
and the amount of surface area the move affects. A weaker attack can potentially do much more than a stronger attack, if that weaker attack affects a much smaller surface area than the strong attack. Precisely why Tenpenchii makes a large ass crater, but doesn't kill any cloaked fodders.
This is true the farther you get to the outside of the jutsu the lesser the damage, so Sasuke's best bet would be CM2 and avoiding to the outside instead of just flat out sitting in the middle hoping the wing protects him.
Atsugai and C2 aren't that far apart when it comes to AoE, that Atsugai would do more than C2.
It being attached to the body doesn't mean anything? Actually it would take two wings to not be crushed here as it encircles his whole body this attack, and shielding yourself with something against crazy pressure? it would merely be the outer coating of the crumpled up ball that is now Sasuke.
He can't fire the Gian if the Wind is still hitting Sasuke, and once the wind is gone, Sasuke will be able to see whatever is coming at him as there will be no need to keep his wing up, thus he'll see Gian coming and he'll block it or evade it.
Ah but as I stated above even after the intense pressures gone ( Although I don't see him tanking that outright) it still has lingering effects as I stated, he'd be not only dizzy but probably wouldn't have a proper hold on his control over his body. So he's not avoiding it directly after, best part? Kakuzu isn't affected as he doesn't require air.
If Sasuke released it, then he released it, if not, it was because of his lack of chakra. Sharingan controls summons, and Manda was already shown to be nothing but a slave in front of it. 100% sure that controlling him for this match will be no issue.
Eh not enough prove to keep on it so it doesn't matter although we both know that was the biggest troll ever, it takes time to summon manda? Requires blood and all. How he could summon him and then control him with sharingan before he was hit is ridiculous, normally it would take time, time that Kakuzu can attack with.
Lol, that is definitely a turtle you are thinking of.
No, he can't constantly shed his skin, but the Fire and Wind masks won't be around long enough for Kakuzu to continue spamming this jutsu. Manda sheds his skin, goes underground and comes up right behind the masks and swats them into the ground, thus killing them, or Manda attacks them, they evade and Sasuke finishes them off from behind with Chidori Eiso or Chidori Senbo.
But Sasuke would be dealing with Kakuzu and the raiton heart? Don't forget that they can still use their individual jutsu, so if he uses chidori the wind heart can use its fuuton, on a smaller scale
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Not to mention they may be in the air my man? Also the masks can shift positions within the threaded bodies, as they're in the front hear
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Then transition to the side to attack Naruto (Last scan) Although either way you make it seem like Kakuzu and the raiton mask are doing nothing, even if he can slice the threads they still provide an ample way to slow Sasuke down.
He doesn't need to swallow them to kill them. He can crush them in his mouth, crush them with his tail.
Crush them in his mouth? You've seen a snake tongue right? IDC how big manda is snake tongue's are basically one layer thin and fragile things, He can't crush anything in his mouth as there is simply no way of doing so? He gets exploded from the inside if at anytime they enter his body.
Agreed.
That's why he has Manda, and other summoned snakes.
Oh come on he's shown one summon and one summon only and thats Manda when he's Hebi >.> Unless you're reffering to the smaller ones he uses for defense and striking? In that case the threads rip right through them anyways.
Then that makes it easier if Sasuke is rushing in with Chidori Eiso, since the Raiton Heart is really the only thing that'll hurt him, and Manda. If he charges at Kakuzu, and Kakuzu responds by using Gian, Sasuke simply evades it and continues along his way, and once
How is he evading two ( or more bolts) his width? While continuing with ease? Alas if it comes down to it Kakuzu can jump up similar to how he did with Naruto,
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Pretty sure that's high enough to avoid Sasuke's reach. Also if this is a place with tree's or anything standing he can swing to safety, if not he can connect to one of his hearts with his threads as its been shown that the threads can merge
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and simply zip over there, or even merely the ground tbh. Although again I don't see how Gian won't slow him down at all. Also Sasuke can't slice the threads off if Kakuzu's directly over him, so he'd have to avoid and that means getting pelted by a gian.
Manda won't be eating anything here, so it's not an issue.
Nope. He takes it, shed's his skin if he needs to, and then takes out the masks that attacked him, or attacks them, allowing Sasuke to flank them himself. Assuming that the Fuuton Katon combo can even make Manda have to shed his skin, considering Toad Oil Flame Bullet>>>>Kakuzu's Fuuton Katon Combo.
Not really? You realize the oil doesn't make Flame any stronger I don't believe? It merely increases its range as Evani was so kind to remind me of, an enhanced flame is greater then a normal one with range.
No, he's not discreet, but he's fast so it makes up for it. As for Tsunade, you can't react properly you can't perceive.
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allowing her to hit him from the back and pin him, a scan that only helps me illustrate how Kakuzu's masks (Even slower than Manda) get obliterated by Manda and Sasuke.
Ugh my ****ing original post got all deleted but **** it, Anyways my man if you're going to claim Sasuke can use two Chidoris in both hands despite never actually accomplishing the feat then I'll have to bring up my own point that has no feats but has been stated to be true.
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In the DB Kishis states without hyperbole mind you or the usual hyping, that Kakuzu can clearly fire more bolts of lighting to take down "Multiple" Enemies I won't state he can fire off like 20 but he can still get probably a good 5 with his chakra reserves.
DB states multiple (More than one) and the manga has shown us how many he can fire, which is 2. So no, he doesn't get more bolts. There is no reason to believe he can use more than two. DB says multiple, and 2 is multiple.
So alas Sasuke still has no defense. Also Kakashi's clothing still was anihalted despite being 3 ranks above Gian and Chidori is even lesser so, he was also pushed backwards (Note the feet movement in the top scan)
If Kakashi had taken any kind of damage to the hands, then I'd say he barely blocked it.
Also it was referenced that apparently on Page 52 of the DB It says that Black Chidori is merely the same as chidori with a different chakra nature or something or other, tried my damnest but couldn't find the page, either way its a stretch to say he could use BLACK Chidori on both hands my man, normal i'll accept but black?
Don't know where that page came from, or if you read it correctly, but Black Chidori is just Chidori enhanced by the Curse Mark's power, not a different chakra nature. Six Path's Chakra is similar to Senjutsu, and it produced the same Black Chidori as the Curse Mark, which is also Senjutsu. So that is basically a Senjutsu enhanced Chidori..but to a lesser extent since it's via the Curse Mark.
Come on he never even used that shit in Shippuden.
Lightning through the inside width of a human is still deadly to manda? Even if he doesn't have his mouth open it would rip through the front, swallowing a pin still causes us quite a bit of harm does it not? 2 or more lightning bolts ripping through his trachea and left long even with such small (Comparatively bolts) would do some damage, hell a snakes hearts not far off form the mouth
Not really. A giant sword, much wider than any human stabbed him through the mouth, and he lived. If a lightning bolt is fired at Manda, it pierces his head, and nothing happens. It's not long enough to rip through his whole body if he's facing the mask. If it's fired at him from the side, then it'll possibly go through his body, but won't do anything to him.
Really isn't evidence to say that Gian will tear through his whole body like butter, when C0 level attacks is what is needed to kill him in one shot. If a vital is pierced sure, that'll work, but then again, that'll never happen.
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And the bolts are AT LEAST 15-20 meters in length who knows how far they would of gone had Kakashi not blocked it
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Tbh man an attack directed straight at manda's mouth would provide fatal to him imo, if not reaching the heart it would puncture the lung at least.
Considering the fact that Manda is large and fast enough to force the attack to hit him in a safe spot of his body, there is no issue. 15-20 meters is nothing compared to how long and big Manda is anyway.
However this would be hard but lets be honest a tail isn't going to take down a heart that tanked Chouji's enhanced fist (threaded body acts as cushion against crushing attacks)
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Think you brought this up later on as well, Manda would have to attack directly head on. Don't get me wrong the masks would still be able to avoid Manda's attacks in the air, but if they do get hit its questionable if they actually fall.
Pretty sure the giant boss snake is more physically powerful than Choji is, not to mention if Manda smacks them right on the mask, which is what Choji didn't do, the mask smashes and they die.
What speed and reaction feats do these masks have again?
How can you dodge something without leaving the blast radius though? He was still there after the explosion, it was pure smoke when we see him leave, case and point he either blocked again, or the explosion wasn't actually all that big? Deidara can't see through his own explosion?
The amount of smoke near the explosion after the fact isn't the same as the actual explosion itself. He was only covered by the smoke the explosion caused, he wasn't in the explosion radius, which is what we see in
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Lol, and how in the world would he block? He wasn't in CM2, which is the only way he can block those, not to mention blocking C2 took his wing, yet he emerged with zero damage. Unless you think Base Sasuke can tank C2, then he escaped it.
No, he can't, but if Sasuke is still alive, it's pretty obvious that he didn't get hit, thus he evaded it.
So we can't fully take his word as law, besides that explosion you linked before isn't as large as fuutons AoE
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That's only 3/4th of it mind you as it cuts of the rest, need I remind you how large those tree's are. Also the tree's in the area where the attack was launched were already knocked down
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So the fact that we see standing tree's means not only is it quite vertical its horizontal range is pretty damn good as well my man, don't underestimate atsugi.
Atsugai was as tall as some trees, and as wide as the area in between them. C2 is larger than that. And you can see the dust where the attack was, and compare it to C2.
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Once again, no comparison. Sasuke evaded that in Base, not to mention C2 is already a fast projectile. Curse Mark enhances his speed. If Atsugai is larger, it isn't by much, so it gets dodged all the same.
You make it seem like damage in itself is its own physics unit?
Unit? No, but damage is all about physics. 100% pure physics at the end of the day.
Also as i've learned recently air can become toxic at such high air pressure, so even if he does avoid it, he still may be slowed down by the remaining air,
You are going to need to provide proof that Atsugai can create these conditions, and has done so when it was used.
Honestly Kakashi was lucky as shit to be right next to the heart and revert around? At the very least he'd become dizzy when avoiding the jutsu? Raising the air pessure to the extreme opens a whole lot of possibilities for Sasuke to be slowed down?
The air pressure of the jutsu is what's high, not the air pressure of the air already around them. Not to mention no such effects have ever been noted in the manga. No reason to note them in this argument.
This is true the farther you get to the outside of the jutsu the lesser the damage, so Sasuke's best bet would be CM2 and avoiding to the outside instead of just flat out sitting in the middle hoping the wing protects him.
C2 explodes. Atsugai does pressure based damage, which is basically the same as blunt force. C2 is stronger, the wing took it, so Atsugai gets tanked. Different properties isn't going to change that for reasons already explained.
It being attached to the body doesn't mean anything? Actually it would take two wings to not be crushed here as it encircles his whole body this attack, and shielding yourself with something against crazy pressure? it would merely be the outer coating of the crumpled up ball that is now Sasuke.
If he's dead in the middle of it. Not if he's at the edge, even then, this isn't a Katon attack, it's not going to circle around Sasuke's wing and hit him anyway, and even then, Katon was already tanked by his wing and Sasuke received no damage at all.
Like I said. It dealing a different type of damage is irrelevant. I've already explained it. Atsugai gets tanked with little damage.
Ah but as I stated above even after the intense pressures gone ( Although I don't see him tanking that outright) it still has lingering effects as I stated, he'd be not only dizzy but probably wouldn't have a proper hold on his control over his body. So he's not avoiding it directly after, best part? Kakuzu isn't affected as he doesn't require air.
Already replied to the lingering Air Pressure thing. Not in the manga, no evidence that Atsugai raises the surrounding air pressure, and no evidence that it raises it high enough to have negative effects on Ninja.
Eh not enough prove to keep on it so it doesn't matter although we both know that was the biggest troll ever, it takes time to summon manda? Requires blood and all. How he could summon him and then control him with sharingan before he was hit is ridiculous, normally it would take time, time that Kakuzu can attack with.
There is no normally. I don't know he did it, but he did it, so there is no opening Kakuzu is going to exploit, at least, any opening that grant him the results he's looking for.
But Sasuke would be dealing with Kakuzu and the raiton heart? Don't forget that they can still use their individual jutsu, so if he uses chidori the wind heart can use its fuuton, on a smaller scale
According to your scenario, Kakuzu has the Raiton Heart, and the rest are out. Atsugai gets blocked by the Wing and then it gets taken out by Manda, or Manda meatshields for Sasuke and he continues after Kakuzu and his Raiton Heart.
Chidori Senbon, his wings, the ability to jump and Manda as a platform make any mid air battling a non issue for Sasuke. If he could take out Deidara, an aerial fighter, I don't know why we are even mentioning a mid air battle being an issue for Sasuke.
Also the masks can shift positions within the threaded bodies, as they're in the front hear
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Then transition to the side to attack Naruto (Last scan) Although either way you make it seem like Kakuzu and the raiton mask are doing nothing, even if he can slice the threads they still provide an ample way to slow Sasuke down.
No idea what you are referring to here. I only see threads extending from Kakuzu's body. The two masks on his body are in the same position they are always in.
No, they don't. If someone were to throw a person in front of a tank moving at full speed, would the tank slow down because of the impact with the person? Nope. It'd plow right through them. The threads put up no resistance against Chidori Eiso, so he cuts right through them and continues along his way.
Crush them in his mouth? You've seen a snake tongue right? IDC how big manda is snake tongue's are basically one layer thin and fragile things, He can't crush anything in his mouth as there is simply no way of doing so? He gets exploded from the inside if at anytime they enter his body.
Oh come on he's shown one summon and one summon only and thats Manda when he's Hebi >.> Unless you're reffering to the smaller ones he uses for defense and striking? In that case the threads rip right through them anyways.
Deidara was higher than that for an extended period of time, yet Sasuke still took him down. Kakuzu jumping isn't going to save him, and Lol, out of his reach? I've shown you how far he can jump, and I've shown you how far Chidori Eiso extends, and Sasuke can "fly". Kakuzu isn't escaping him.
Also if this is a place with tree's or anything standing he can swing to safety,
Yeah, but he'll have to outrun him first, and Sasuke's faster, on land or in the air, and he still has a 5m long blade, so he doesn't even really need to get that close to him to finish him. Not to mention this is the forest of death, yes there are a lot of trees around, but then Sasuke will just follow him, and catch him using those same trees.
if not he can connect to one of his hearts with his threads as its been shown that the threads can merge
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and simply zip over there, or even merely the ground tbh. Although again I don't see how Gian won't slow him down at all. Also Sasuke can't slice the threads off if Kakuzu's directly over him, so he'd have to avoid and that means getting pelted by a gian.
Yeah, he can do that, but that won't change the fact that Sasuke will still catch him, cause Kakuzu isn't faster.
If the threads come at him, and Kakuzu is right above him, he slices right through them, not seeing why them coming from above would stop him from cutting them apart. Regardless, he has no reason to fight Kakuzu from ground level when he can use the same trees Kakuzu is using as elevation to fight him on even ground. Add that to the fact Sasuke can actually "fly", Kakuzu dies in a airborn conflic.
Not really? You realize the oil doesn't make Flame any stronger I don't believe? It merely increases its range as Evani was so kind to remind me of, an enhanced flame is greater then a normal one with range.
Uh, I don't know where you got that from, but oil definitely makes flame stronger than normal.
NINJUTSU; Katon: Gamayu Endan (Fire Release: Toad Oil Flaming Bullet)
Users: Jiraiya, Gamabunta
Offensive; Close, Medium, Long ranges; Rank: B
Main text
A combination jutsu that uses a Katon (Fire Release) jutsu and oil from a Toad. Gamabunta lashes out a spray of Toad oil with his uncommon lung capacity, and Jiraiya pours flames into it for an augmentation in power and range of effectiveness alike. This jutsu is possible because of the very existence of Giant Toads like Gamabunta.
Caption
-A stylishly Gallant hellfire combo jutsu!!
Picture comments
-Upon the signal, execution is immediate. This demands mental and physical physical harmony between them.
-That's what adding fuel to the fire is about!* A splendid concept gives birth to endless efficiency!!
That scan shows him taking advantage of the fact the aftermath of the Suiton vs. Enhanced Katon blinded Kakashi, allowing Kakuzu to attack him by surprise, and in mid air, where he can't dodge.
Oh yeah here's the link for that air pressure argument forgot to post it
Honestly, too bored to read the wall of text. I don't know if anyone brought this up or not, but what about Mei's hidden mist? And how about her lava and boil? The underrating is strong here.
I said it increases it's range. Does that mean I meant it's power isn't augmented Lol. The only reason I referred to range alone was to point out the difference between Gian's Range and Flame Bullets Range :
