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Although killed by it, Manda came out of C0 in one piece, my man. Kakuzu is never scratching Manda.

He was barely scratched by it :| Idk how people neglect this little piece of info (Part of the blast) If you use logic you'd have to know that it was before the explosion got full force anyways.

Scared of? Lol Not to mention your comparison though Lmaoo. Manda already countered that by shedding his skin with ease. Let's about Manda going underground evading those bolts of lightning.

Manda going underground to evade the lightning bolts man that's rich first off, Gian can rip through the ground anyways second if you're ignorant self would merely take a look at this data book scan

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As it says "exceedingly difficult" While manda barely made it against a jutsu that was blatantly being used in front of him Don't forget that Kakuzu has 3 flying hearts, Manda can easily be distracted if need be


Summon wanker? Lol. Let's talk bout how Sasuke takes flight to evade his attacks or even uses his wings to guard against those fire attacks or even use his Sharingan to copy and anticipate his attacks.

He can't copy anything? Kakashi stated you needed mastery of the elemental nature to use those attacks don't make me get scans, besides if Kakashi couldn't sasuke can't. Flight is your allmighty savior you're argument for hebi sasuke winning is weaker then most I see, the hearts can fly, even if you don't want to believe it they have just as much flight feats as CM Sasuke who I believe can only glide

Kakuzu wanker is Kakuzu wanker.

Logical Kakuzu wanker > Illogical Sasuke fanboy lol
 

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Manda going underground to evade the lightning bolts man that's rich first off, Gian can rip through the ground anyways second if you're ignorant self would merely take a look at this data book scan

I wonder how rich that is. The Jutsu itself requires preparation as you can see . Manda can't go underground and change his position during all that period when he could shed his skin, go underground, and change his position with quick movements as you can see in the top right scan .

Worse comes to worse, Sasuke has Manda disappear and summons him back during the prep period.

As it says "exceedingly difficult" While manda barely made it against a jutsu that was blatantly being used in front of him Don't forget that Kakuzu has 3 flying hearts, Manda can easily be distracted if need be

Manda barely made it? That wasn't the case. There's hardly proof of Manda even trying to evade the Jutsu. Not to mention the Jutsu's range when compared to Gian .

Kakuzu having 3 hearts is meaningless when Sasuke alone can deal with them. Especially considering the fact that he can channel sharp spear through his sword extending its range None of the hearts stand a chance against him with the fact that his speed is more than enough for them.


He can't copy anything? Kakashi stated you needed mastery of the elemental nature to use those attacks don't make me get scans, besides if Kakashi couldn't sasuke can't. Flight is your allmighty savior you're argument for hebi sasuke winning is weaker then most I see, the hearts can fly, even if you don't want to believe it they have just as much flight feats as CM Sasuke who I believe can only glide

Pretty sure Sasuke has mastered lightning style but even so, he sees them before hand and reacts. As simple as that, like how Kakzuzu said Kakashi did or how Itachi did

Please shut up with this nonsense pal. If you can't understand him flying to evade those attacks when he can see through it, then just be quiet and don't complain about an argument being weak because it's not going your way. The hearts can fly but they get fodderized once they engage Sasuke.

Logical Kakuzu wanker > Illogical Sasuke fanboy lol

Don't even know what to say.
 

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He was barely scratched by it :| Idk how people neglect this little piece of info (Part of the blast) If you use logic you'd have to know that it was before the explosion got full force anyways.



Manda going underground to evade the lightning bolts man that's rich first off, Gian can rip through the ground anyways second if you're ignorant self would merely take a look at this data book scan

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As it says "exceedingly difficult" While manda barely made it against a jutsu that was blatantly being used in front of him Don't forget that Kakuzu has 3 flying hearts, Manda can easily be distracted if need be




He can't copy anything? Kakashi stated you needed mastery of the elemental nature to use those attacks don't make me get scans, besides if Kakashi couldn't sasuke can't. Flight is your allmighty savior you're argument for hebi sasuke winning is weaker then most I see, the hearts can fly, even if you don't want to believe it they have just as much flight feats as CM Sasuke who I believe can only glide



Logical Kakuzu wanker > Illogical Sasuke fanboy lol

Still not seeing how Kakuzu's attacks would do very much. The blast being full or not, it's still stronger than anything Kakuzu has.
Not to mention Mamda has already gone through an enhanced Katon without any trouble.
 

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I wonder how rich that is. The Jutsu itself requires preparation as you can see . Manda can't go underground and change his position during all that period when he could shed his skin, go underground, and change his position with quick movements as you can see in the top right scan .

How exactly does glaring mean prep? Shikamaru's not a fool he knew Kakuzu wouldn't just sit there, there's no evidence of preparation at all, again as it states in the DB for its speed so I don't even know why you're trying to argue this? Underground is useless for multiple reasons without Sasuke with him how is manda going to avoid something he can't see? Its true that Kakuzu won't be able to see him either but he's not that small of a target? Skin shedding? He used that because part of his skin clearly got caught in the flames ( Meaning he couldn't even fully avoid that attack) that's not helping him when he gets hit by the full force of kakuzu's katon and fuuton he has no durability feats besides getting hit by the beginning of a powerful and using logic you'd know that an explosion as long lasting as this means that it probably didn't have that much force behind it at first.

Worse comes to worse, Sasuke has Manda disappear and summons him back during the prep period.

What prep are you talking about xD Are you blind? And second no you realize that un-summoning and summoning in mere minutes isn't an option if that were the case every summon would be immune if it could just retreat before it does but thats not the case under Sasuke's genjutsu manda's not even going to be able to disperse on his own like Aoda did so that arguments moot anyways Sasuke would need to physicall undo the summoning which would be too much diversion and he ends up dead.


Manda barely made it? That wasn't the case. There's hardly proof of Manda even trying to evade the Jutsu. Not to mention the Jutsu's range when compared to Gian .

Range doesn't matter .-. Gian doesn't need range although Kakuzu's enhanced katon + Fuuton at full force which we never really got to see would most likely surpass that Towering over the trees and need I remind you how big they are Gian is fast as hell don't bring Kakashi into this because he had Pre-cog and was already heading to block it before it even was shot as Kakuzu states

Kakuzu having 3 hearts is meaningless when Sasuke alone can deal with them. Especially considering the fact that he can channel sharp spear through his sword extending its range None of the hearts stand a chance against him with the fact that his speed is more than enough for them.

What does that have to do with anything? All of Kakuzu's jutsu have range in fact its easier to dodge his Fuuton when up close so he won't be in range add that they can fly quicker then Sasuke has shown and I hope you realize he has to hit the masks? Which is where the hearts are, striking a mass of threads isn't going to end them and with their speed and agility it wont be hard to avoid the attack ever so slightly that it strikes the body of threads instead.





Pretty sure Sasuke has mastered lightning style but even so, he sees them before hand and reacts. As simple as that, like how Kakzuzu said Kakashi did or how Itachi did

Pretty sure its too fast for him to copy anyways, alas Sasuke could indeed do this but putting him in the same situations as Kakashi ultimately ends him as you saw with the other fight, Kakuzu would overwhelm the sharigan's precog ability with attacks from all angles if need be once sasuke can allso be ensnared by threads (If you pull out the Nagashi argument your a novice) as Kakashi eventually was It would be risky going that close to him, so lang range threaded attacks may be the way to go


Please shut up with this nonsense pal. If you can't understand him flying to evade those attacks when he can see through it, then just be quiet and don't complain about an argument being weak because it's not going your way. The hearts can fly but they get fodderized once they engage Sasuke.

They don't engage anyone? They fire jutsu they're not CQC attackers? Lml bruh have you seen the scale of Kakuzu's attacks What's flying going to do against this? Again remember how big those tree's are, Kakashi evaded it as he was right next to the heart a.k.a release point of the jutsu so he merely dodged around it Sasuke won't have that luxury
 

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How exactly does glaring mean prep? Shikamaru's not a fool he knew Kakuzu wouldn't just sit there, there's no evidence of preparation at all, again as it states in the DB for its speed so I don't even know why you're trying to argue this? Underground is useless for multiple reasons without Sasuke with him how is manda going to avoid something he can't see? Its true that Kakuzu won't be able to see him either but he's not that small of a target? Skin shedding? He used that because part of his skin clearly got caught in the flames ( Meaning he couldn't even fully avoid that attack) that's not helping him when he gets hit by the full force of kakuzu's katon and fuuton he has no durability feats besides getting hit by the beginning of a powerful and using logic you'd know that an explosion as long lasting as this means that it probably didn't have that much force behind it at first.


- Using the databook to hype its speed is your desperate way of saying Manda gets hit by it.

- Ino told them to run in the next panel after the Jutsu was being prepared . Pretty sure if it was instant, she won't have time to do so. Not to mention the Jutsu was fired after she told them to do so in the middle panel.

- Uhmm No because he didn't expect the attack considering Bunta fueled the flames with his oil to extend its Range.

- So what feat does Kakuzu's Fuuton and Katon have that puts him down? I'll wait. Not to mention Manda took part of the blast. Sasuke was this close to him and upon summoning Manda considering his size, he definitely took some of that. Kakuzu's Fuuton and Katon are laughed at especially when Manda countered Katon easily already. When they have feats, come back telling me they can put Manda down especially with Sasuke around.


What prep are you talking about xD Are you blind? And second no you realize that un-summoning and summoning in mere minutes isn't an option if that were the case every summon would be immune if it could just retreat before it does but thats not the case under Sasuke's genjutsu manda's not even going to be able to disperse on his own like Aoda did so that arguments moot anyways Sasuke would need to physicall undo the summoning which would be too much diversion and he ends up dead.

Are you blind? I addressed this here :

"Ino told them to run in the next panel after the Jutsu was being prepared . Pretty sure if it was instant, she won't have time to do so. Not to mention the Jutsu was fired after she told them to do so in the middle panel."

Summons can be unsommoned as fast as they can be summoned..This minutes talk you're talking is irrelevant and no it doesn't have to be shown in the Manga before you know it can be done. It's called a strategy.

I can't imagine how silly you are. Especially considering you put those words in bold Lmaoo..I'd love to know how Sasuke then put Manda in a Genjutsu and had both themselves return back to the Ryuchi cave or wherever? So Sasuke can't have Manda alone go back and then summon him back? Smh this is becoming a waste of my time.

Sasuke already unsummoned him after summoning him before they could suffer the full blast.

Range doesn't matter .-. Gian doesn't need range although Kakuzu's enhanced katon + Fuuton at full force which we never really got to see would most likely surpass that Towering over the trees and need I remind you how big they are Gian is fast as hell don't bring Kakashi into this because he had Pre-cog and was already heading to block it before it even was shot as Kakuzu states

Your point? Sasuke has precognition and can see these things. If Kakashi who was engaging Hidan and another heart could somehow anticipate it, I don't see why Sasuke would struggle when his base speed alone is a problem let alone with CM2.

Not to mention the fact that the Fuuton at least hit Kakashi considering this was him right in front of it with his clothes and this was him afterwards If Kakuzu states that the attack failed to kill him, Manda and CM2 Durability laughs at it with ease. Sasuke survived Itachi's firestyle with his CM2 and even took some C2 explosives.

What does that have to do with anything? All of Kakuzu's jutsu have range in fact its easier to dodge his Fuuton when up close so he won't be in range add that they can fly quicker then Sasuke has shown and I hope you realize he has to hit the masks? Which is where the hearts are, striking a mass of threads isn't going to end them and with their speed and agility it wont be hard to avoid the attack ever so slightly that it strikes the body of threads instead.

Irrelevant as Sasuke kills them with his extended Chidori sharp spear Kusanagi. They die a horrible death as they lack feats that suggest they can react to his Shunshin speed let alone with his CM2 added to it. He nearly blitz Deidara who had to take flight noting he'd eventually be blitzed. Not to mention the fact that Sasuke can now extend his sword range with Sharp Spear alongside the fact that CM2 can boost his speed now. The hearts die a bad death.

Don't care where he has to hit but as soon as he swings his swords towards their face or upwards, their masks get destroyed.

Pretty sure its too fast for him to copy anyways, alas Sasuke could indeed do this but putting him in the same situations as Kakashi ultimately ends him as you saw with the other fight, Kakuzu would overwhelm the sharigan's precog ability with attacks from all angles if need be once sasuke can allso be ensnared by threads (If you pull out the Nagashi argument your a novice) as Kakashi eventually was It would be risky going that close to him, so lang range threaded attacks may be the way to go

What's this guy saying? Smh Nagashi deals with it easily. If Kakazu comes close, Nagashi hits him as Sasuke is trying to get his way out of the threads and I'm sure Nagashi should be able to destroy those threads or he uses Oral Rebirth to counter as well as the fact that he could bind Kakuzu by summoning this if he comes close . I wonder why Kakuzu would have Sasuke in that position to begin with. If Kakuzu uses that long range thread in that last scan, Sasuke counters with a Fire style Jutsu.


They don't engage anyone? They fire jutsu they're not CQC attackers? Lml bruh have you seen the scale of Kakuzu's attacks What's flying going to do against this? Again remember how big those tree's are, Kakashi evaded it as he was right next to the heart a.k.a release point of the jutsu so he merely dodged around it Sasuke won't have that luxury

Them not being CQC attackers doesn't mean they'd never be forced into a CQC fight where they get destroyed. I'm pretty sure to ran to engage these guys in a CQC when and got destroyed.

Kakashi got hit at least and still survived as Kakuzu said he was the first to survive that combo. Sasuke has CM2 which grants him far better durability. Sasuke showed better speed feats to Kakashi as well as the fact that flight speed would assist him here.
 

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TAC for the love of god leave me alone D:

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Team Element gets raped...

Kimmimaro bones forest kills Mei and possibly Hiruzen... Kabuto at that age has fought on par with Kakashi multiple times add CM2 Sasuke Kimmimaro and Dosu Kakashi gets overwhelmed Orochimaru beats Hiruzen seeing as Hiruzen ace in the hole(Reaper death seal ) is restricted...​
 

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- Using the databook to hype its speed is your desperate way of saying Manda gets hit by it.

No one without Sharingan was able to react to it, lml


- Ino told them to run in the next panel after the Jutsu was being prepared . Pretty sure if it was instant, she won't have time to do so. Not to mention the Jutsu was fired after she told them to do so in the middle panel.

Lml taking too much from the anime I see, she saw that the hearts were facing Shikamaru and chouji and use common sense, even if it does take time to prep, Manda has no way to see it coming and Sasuke will be busy dealing with Kakuzu and a heart or two

- Uhmm No because he didn't expect the attack considering Bunta fueled the flames with his oil to extend its Range.

He's fought with Bunta before so it could be said he knew the attack and even if he didn't its not hard to imagine what the oil is going to be used for, even if it were just the oil he still should be wary of it so he had plenty of time to avoid the flames, again Jiraiya shouted out that he was in need for oil.

- So what feat does Kakuzu's Fuuton and Katon have that puts him down? I'll wait. Not to mention Manda took part of the blast. Sasuke was this close to him and upon summoning Manda considering his size, he definitely took some of that. Kakuzu's Fuuton and Katon are laughed at especially when Manda countered Katon easily already.

So something hot enough to vaporize water near instantly isn't going to burn through snake skin that was barely touched by an explosion? And still got ****ed up? Come on you don't even need to know anything to realize that his going to be affected. Even if Manda sheds skin from the flames Highly doubt he can do it more than once in a row and Kakuzu's chakra is never going to be a problem so spamming it is easy for him.


When they have feats, come back telling me they can put Manda down especially with Sasuke around.

Didn't know Sasuke knew fuuton and suiton? What's he going to do besides dodge? Which is still hard he's just as useless? Vaporizing water >> Burning snake scales, aren't the underbelly of snakes more vulnerable to damage then the above? If that's true Kakuzus fuuton travels under the opponent so there's that as well could be only a certain type of snake though so I may be wrong.




Are you blind? I addressed this here :

"Ino told them to run in the next panel after the Jutsu was being prepared . Pretty sure if it was instant, she won't have time to do so. Not to mention the Jutsu was fired after she told them to do so in the middle panel."

Are you an idiot? No physical proof it needs time Ino shouting something just means she picked up that they'd be attacked albeit later then Shikamaru


Summons can be unsommoned as fast as they can be summoned..This minutes talk you're talking is irrelevant and no it doesn't have to be shown in the Manga before you know it can be done. It's called a strategy.

Its called running away, but no matter if you mean to turn Sasuke into a bigger ***** then he already is, Kakuzu's chakra has never been shown to waver so there really is no point he'd continue striking manda until he falls, while aiming at Sasuke if Sasuke tries to un-summon and summon again he gets blasted with Jutsu? You can't divert time when in a battle against Kakuzu and his 3 hearts you'd be overwhelmed in an instant.




I can't imagine how silly you are. Especially considering you put those words in bold Lmaoo..I'd love to know how Sasuke then put Manda in a Genjutsu and had both themselves return back to the Ryuchi cave or wherever? So Sasuke can't have Manda alone go back and then summon him back? Smh this is becoming a waste of my time.

What are you talking about? Sasuke only can control manda with Sharingan? He wouldn't do shit for him other-wise Man talk about silly you don't even know how what you're arguing for works. Manda doesn't have free-will here, so he won't be able to just leave when Sasuke tells him to. Sasuke has to undo the summoning himself.


Sasuke already unsummoned him after summoning him before they could suffer the full blast.

Look above two arguments

Your point? Sasuke has precognition and can see these things. If Kakashi who was engaging Hidan and another heart could somehow anticipate it, I don't see why Sasuke would struggle when his base speed alone is a problem let alone with CM2.

CM2 hasn't shown any increase in speed feats, Just thought I'd let you know, for the hundredth time Kakashi was pretty damn close to the point of exit for the wind, Now the jutsu only effects one direction hence why Shikamaru and the idiots weren't effected by it, merely hit with the tailwind, so Kakashi was able to merely swing around the blast and ended up directly where the Raiton was being shot as he had never landed back on the ground So If Sasuke is at a moderate distance this jutsu becomes especially hard to avoid

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[/URL][/IMG] Extremely hard jutsu to anticipate as its released instantly

You're a fool if you think Sasuke can magically shunsin way if not close to the mask.

Not to mention the fact that the Fuuton at least hit Kakashi considering this was him right in front of it with his clothes and this was him afterwards If Kakuzu states that the attack failed to kill him, Manda and CM2 Durability laughs at it with ease. Sasuke survived Itachi's firestyle with his CM2 and even took some C2 explosives.

Did I say Fuuton would harm manda? I said it would crush Sasuke, Yeah Kakashi barely escaped with Pre-cog and being at an advantageous position, should only add to the testament of its instantaneous activation. Manda is dealt with by Raiton and Fuuton + Katon combo you claiming he tanked C0 Durability isn't changing the fact that he still was obliterated by a single touch of the jutsu. He may have durability when it comes to force attacks, but he was still impaled easily by a larger then life sword , he gets ****ed up by Raiton which size is deceivingly large.

Irrelevant as Sasuke kills them with his extended Chidori sharp spear Kusanagi. They die a horrible death as they lack feats that suggest they can react to his Shunshin speed let alone with his CM2 added to it. He nearly blitz Deidara who had to take flight noting he'd eventually be blitzed. Not to mention the fact that Sasuke can now extend his sword range with Sharp Spear alongside the fact that CM2 can boost his speed now. The hearts die a bad death.

They'd be in the air? Kakuzu's wind heart was able to take flight instantly and if he tries to kill one the other ones blindside him from behind, trying to go after one heart? Do you know who Kakuzu is? Not to mention he has threads that ensnared Kakashi who is faster then Hebi Sasuke need I remind you

Don't care where he has to hit but as soon as he swings his swords towards their face or upwards, their masks get destroyed.

Still gives more time for the masks to obliterate him he may kill one but thats about all he's getting, and again they fly so :| Not seeing any blitzes happening here, especially since Kakuzu's fuuton again activates instantly without prep.



What's this guy saying? Smh Nagashi deals with it easily. If Kakazu comes close, Nagashi hits him as Sasuke is trying to get his way out of the threads and I'm sure Nagashi should be able to destroy those threads

Nagashi destroying threads oh man you're hilarious, an attack meant to paralyze humans? Is going to magically destroy threads when it couldn't even destroy Deidara's clay snakes? It merely negated them as their doton? Its not going to stop them from impaling into his chest. Pitiful You're clearly a novice go study what Saskue's jutsu do before you argue this your ignorance is beginning to show. Don't say the electricity will travel to Kakazu, as Kakuzu would impale him before it even got the chance.

or he uses Oral Rebirth to counter as well as the fact that he could bind Kakuzu by summoning this if he comes close . I wonder why Kakuzu would have Sasuke in that position to begin with. If Kakuzu uses that long range thread in that last scan, Sasuke counters with a Fire style Jutsu.

What is fire style going to do? To threads :| Oh man I cant breath Sasuke's fire styles are basic at this time anyways they rip right through it with ease, man you're a funny dude Kakuzu's threads already survived the his own flame blast - - ( He's clearly retracting them in that last scan, So no you're pitiful arguments are getting worse and worse. Sasuke gets impaled. Oral Rebirth? Alright its a rather slow process, Kakuzu can merely impale right through the old body while the new ones still appearing anyways.



Them not being CQC attackers doesn't mean they'd never be forced into a CQC fight where they get destroyed. I'm pretty sure to ran to engage these guys in a CQC when and got destroyed.

:| Bro? Are you an idiot? They clearly were running back to Kakuzu's body? Since any non idiot can tell its a top priority to bring him back? Read the manga D:

Kakashi got hit at least and still survived as Kakuzu said he was the first to survive that combo. Sasuke has CM2 which grants him far better durability. Sasuke showed better speed feats to Kakashi as well as the fact that flight speed would assist him here.

Flight speed? Show me a scan where Sasuke shows any type of flight speed? Please I'd love that his wings are there for gliding and defense mostly, Kakashi avoided the combo :| Kakuzu's fuuton crushes the opponenet with extreme pressure Kakashi didn't tank anything, It wouldnt be a master wind jutsu if it couldn't kill a measly human when it hit :noes:

Anyways weve both insulted each other too many times for either one of us to admit were wrong here, I've debated this countless times and you're arguments that I have not seen, I have not seen them because they're awful ( Still dying about the fire and threads thing) Manda may be a nuisance but it doesn't touch Doton Domu anyways so he's really garbage here, coutner if you must and I will keep posting but I know Kakuzu beats Hebi Sasuke ^_^ MS? No way but Hebi? Medium difficulty High at most
 

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I cringe everytime i see that colored, lined and abused databook page.

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Zexion you're one of the biggest morons I've encountered. Just wait till I get back. Not to mention arguing with a hard headed idiot would go nowhere. I'd jot down my points rather than reply to every single recycled trash you're spouting. Yet I've dealt with this over and over again.
 

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I cringe everytime i see that colored, lined and abused databook page.

OT: Sound imo.

Because you love it <3 You Akatsuki Hater <3 And their on google so don't yell at me :p

Zexion you're one of the biggest morons I've encountered. Just wait till I get back. Not to mention arguing with a hard headed idiot would go nowhere. I'd jot down my points rather than reply to every single recycled trash you're spouting. Yet I've dealt with this over and over again.

Flames > Threads Lmfao

I was trying to be nice and stop the Insults but in that case you're arguments are literally centered around Sasuke blitzing Kakuzu? You've been on the defensive this whole time and haven't even said one way Sasuke actually kills Kakuzu or his hearts, besides "He blitzes" or "Manda Solos"

Ill admit you got me on the summoning and un-summoning thing but it doesn't matter they both get wrecked and if you actually stopped viewing Kakuzu as a one arc villain and looked at the feats he was given you'd easily be able to see that he's more then just someone who got trolled by Kishi

You're a fool and an idiot I'd love to get an unbiased judge (Cough Cough Caterpie) To see who's posted the better arguments but 3 posts in and you've still posted nothing but garbage, my arguments may be based on fewer things but you have a character who's been in the manga for hundreds upon hundreds of chapters and you're still spouting trash. In the end, If manda goes to attack Kakuzu he bites down on diamond and gets slammed by raiton gian through the face that simple

After that Sasuke is swiftly taken care of I highly suggest you start giving some arguments as to how Sasuke can win without manda lml, and that pitiful blitzing,
 
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Idiot said "I was trying to be nice and stop the insults" What a fool. Why start in the first place? Plus my arguments already countered yours. You're just stubborn.
 

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Idiot said "I was trying to be nice and stop the insults" What a fool. Why start in the first place? Plus my arguments already countered yours. You're just stubborn.

They really didn't, Just accept that Hebi Sasuke loses, MS Sasuke wins so take solace in that if you must
 

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My approach was rather calm to begin with but so far you insult my intelligence and say I'm the one who keeps throwing words. You claim my arguments are awful and yet don't even know Sasuke can't take flight in his CM2 State:

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- I don't think this is the anime:
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So I'll repeat what I said:

Ino told them to run in the next panel after the Jutsu was being prepared as you can see the crackle in the SFX( Top right) after she saw it. If it was instant, she won't have time to do so. Not to mention the Jutsu was fired after she told them to do so in the middle panel."

Telling me Ino shouted because she imagined it would happen is you merely denying it when she could see all as it's even clear in that scan.

- If Manda doesn't see it coming, Sasuke does and carries on with the unsommoning idea I brought earlier on.. Sasuke used the Space time Jutsu taking him and Manda back to the Ryuchi cave even though he was under his control, no reason why he won't be able to have Manda go back on his own. Not to mention if he's under a Genjutsu, he'd do what Sasuke wants him to do.

- Not sure if serious here :

He's fought with Bunta before so it could be said he knew the attack and even if he didn't its not hard to imagine what the oil is going to be used for, even if it were just the oil he still should be wary of it so he had plenty of time to avoid the flames, again Jiraiya shouted out that he was in need for oil.

When you have proof of the bolds, come back. The oil came right after the fire which wasn't touching him in the first place so he had no idea since the oil rapidly increased the fire. That's a whole different story when Gian requires prep. Manda moves at high speed into the ground and in the ground as I showed before.

- Sasuke unsummoning and summoning is a strategy not him being scared. Not the first time you're talking nonsense anyways.

- Fuuton isn't doing Jack to Manda and hardly damages CM2 Sasuke if Kakashi could take part of it and still survive.

Katon doesn't make much of a difference when Manda already countered it and when Sasuke wings protected him from Itachi's. Not to mention it's you who's silly .

Kakashi was engaging Hidan when the other heart came from nowhere:

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Yet he still anticipated the attack with his Sharingan and was only damaged this much: ; That alone should tell you:

Sasuke who's taking the heart would anticipate it faster and react faster since Kakashi was already engaging someone else when he anticipated and reacted like Kakuzu said.

Kakashi was hit by some of it and it only damage him that much as I showed you as Kakuzu said he couldn't be killed with that step. How is it going to do a thing to CM2 with that durability let alone Manda?

Base Sasuke had the speed to react to this ------> as Deidara praised his movements. Not to mention he wasn't in his CM2 state to enhance his durability and speed. Had the speed to react to this in his base yet again with Deidara emphasizing on his movements and was even forced to guide his bombs and setting bombs on ground level while attacking from above to catch him. Sasuke still reacted to them again.

In his CM2 state, he took this which has more feats than anything in Kakzuzu's arsenal and could still fight afterwards.

You say things like this and still insult me?

CM2 hasn't shown any increase in speed feats

How did Sasuke become much more faster here upon accessing his CM1? Doesn't make sense that his speed won't increase in CM2. Only case that happened was Kimmimaro and that was because his body had not fully adapted as Lee states . Not to mention the fact that he uses the Curse seal Earth while Sasuke uses CSH.

- I said the Flames can be used to counter Kakazu's long range thread attacks while Nagashi can counter Kakuzu if he comes close. If I was wrong about those 2 destroying the threads, fine but I don't see how that scan shows his threads taking his fire attacks when we see the link between Kakazu's threads to them was cut off ---->

- If I was wrong about that, then we stick to my second plan, Oral rebirth counters. Simple.

- We have you arguing that those Hearts can last against Sasuke with his speed? What? Base Sasuke Shunshin was too much for Deidara who for a short period kept up with Team Gai. Deidara said he had no choice but to increase the distance. Imagine a Curse Mark enhanced Sasuke? Who can channel Sharp Spear through his Sword extending his Range:

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Base Sasuke like I said, with his Shunshin speed was too fast for Deidara and nearly cut him in half with Deidara having to take flight. How much more his Curse mark which can enhance his Shunshin/Foot Speed alongside the fact that he can now extend his cutting Range? Not to mention we're talking hearts that pale in comparison to Deidara in every department. Sasuke destroys them.

- You call me an idiot but fail to comprehend and understand scans:

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Common sense says in order for the Red to get Blue, it would have to engage the Orange. Also, look how close they were without resorting to any attack before they got smashed. Says a lot about reaction speed as well in that scenario

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- Dotun Domu is undeniably inferior to Lightning. Nothing to talk about.

You're more like a kid who throws shots and then complains when he's shot. Smh you referred to me as Illoigcal/Wanker/Idiot but when I responded, you started complaining about how your feathers were ruffled. You can cry about Kakuzu for all I care but saying my points are weak when you're giving ridiculous excuses like "Manda durability wasn't really shown against C0" depsite the creature taking the explosion even though he was teleported as seen with his sbody or how Oral Rebirth is a slow process and all sorts of rubbish exposes you as a clown.

The we have this talk about how I should create arguments without Mnada because you know the Manda bit completely destroys your arguments.

I highly suggest you start giving some arguments as to how Sasuke can win without manda lml, and that pitiful blitzing,

Smh blitzing my ass.
 
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Evani, Zex argues for the sake of arguing. He'll fight you on the smallest points that don't even matter. It took a long enough time to convince him Hidan loses to Tsunade, you'll be in for a ten page debate to convince him Kakuzu loses.
 

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Evani, Zex argues for the sake of arguing. He'll fight you on the smallest points that don't even matter. It took a long enough time to convince him Hidan loses to Tsunade, you'll be in for a ten page debate to convince him Kakuzu loses.

Lool this is my first time arguing with him so I didn't really know that. Not even going to bother then haha
 

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Hebi Sasuke can solo.

Kakuzu has Gian, his Katon, his Fuuton, and Domu.

Gian-Not that hard to deal with here. Chidori can block it, Black Chidori can block it, or Sasuke can outright evade it, since Kakashi (not as fast as Hebi Sasuke) was able to swoop in from God knows where and intercept the attack, or Manda can tank. A sword through the head didn't kill him, so a tiny ass lightning bolt is going to do as much damage as an IV would do to me. Lol

Atsugai-Didn't Kakashi evade this point blank? Yes, he did, but Zex has a point when he says it's easier to evade from point blank, due to the fact you won't have to deal with the widespread AoE, but even then, Sasuke can probably still dodge it. [ ] Pretty sure this scan was already posted, but Sasuke evaded an attack with that speed, and that large AoE in Base, imagine him doing so using the Curse Mark, which increases his physical abilities. Worst case, if he can't dodge it, he tanks it with his wing, as it takes a direct hit from C2 to blow it off. C2>>>Atsugai.

Zukkoku-Katon is outright evaded on foot, or by gliding, tanked by CS2 Wings (Already tanked Katon before) or Manda tanks it with zero lasting damage.

Fuuton-Katon combo- Not gonna claim that Sasuke can tank it, but Manda took Toad Oil Flame Bullet and lived due to the ability to shed his skin, he tanks this for Sasuke.

Domu-Once he gets close enough, Chidori kills him, and that's one heart down. Or Chidori Senbon can kill him from a distance, or he can kill him at mid range using Chidori Eiso, which lets him easily sever any threads that Kakuzu may try and attack him with along with cutting him apart. If Chidori Eiso cuts him apart, the match is done right then and there since he can't pull himself back together.

Masks-If they come out individually, Manda should be able to take them on. None of their attacks deal lasting damage, Manda is shown to be fast, and he'll have support from Sasuke as well.
 

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Hebi Sasuke can solo.

Kakuzu has Gian, his Katon, his Fuuton, and Domu.

Gian-Not that hard to deal with here. Chidori can block it, Black Chidori can block it, or Sasuke can outright evade it, since Kakashi (not as fast as Hebi Sasuke) was able to swoop in from God knows where and intercept the attack, or Manda can tank. A sword through the head didn't kill him, so a tiny ass lightning bolt is going to do as much damage as an IV would do to me. Lol

Atsugai-Didn't Kakashi evade this point blank? Yes, he did, but Zex has a point when he says it's easier to evade from point blank, due to the fact you won't have to deal with the widespread AoE, but even then, Sasuke can probably still dodge it. [ ] Pretty sure this scan was already posted, but Sasuke evaded an attack with that speed, and that large AoE in Base, imagine him doing so using the Curse Mark, which increases his physical abilities. Worst case, if he can't dodge it, he tanks it with his wing, as it takes a direct hit from C2 to blow it off. C2>>>Atsugai.

Zukkoku-Katon is outright evaded on foot, or by gliding, tanked by CS2 Wings (Already tanked Katon before) or Manda tanks it with zero lasting damage.

Fuuton-Katon combo- Not gonna claim that Sasuke can tank it, but Manda took Toad Oil Flame Bullet and lived due to the ability to shed his skin, he tanks this for Sasuke.

Domu-Once he gets close enough, Chidori kills him, and that's one heart down. Or Chidori Senbon can kill him from a distance, or he can kill him at mid range using Chidori Eiso, which lets him easily sever any threads that Kakuzu may try and attack him with along with cutting him apart. If Chidori Eiso cuts him apart, the match is done right then and there since he can't pull himself back together.

Masks-If they come out individually, Manda should be able to take them on. None of their attacks deal lasting damage, Manda is shown to be fast, and he'll have support from Sasuke as well.

So did Hiruzen, Mei, and Kakashi just commit seppuku...?
 
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