Talent of the Sanin

[iNotorious]

I wanna discuss the "talent" of the Sanin.

Orochimaru and Tsunade​

The whole thread is basically about these 2 (yes Jiraiya is not included).

Orochimaru: He was called a genius by Hiruzen, for having the ability to learn jutsus in a faster rate and so on. Is that talent? yes it is.

Tsunade: Hashirama called a very young Tsunade a monster. Is that talent? yes it is.


Now the difference is being born raw, and having the ability to become raw. Tsunade was apparently already a "monster" at a young age. While Orochimaru with his talent became a raw ninja later on. This is what separates the Sanin from the Team 7 kids.

Conclusion:

So I'm inclined to believe the "talented" one is Tsunade. If she had chosen to become a ninja like her Grandfather or Orochimaru/Jiraiya type.... she would've left them behind. But instead she focused on medical ninjutsu, and still ended up getting more respect and fame in the world then her teammates.


What are your thoughts?

She is talented but she wasn't able to beat pain.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Nah. Orochimaru is just better than her in almost every way. Intelligence, power, talent, awesomeness, you name it.

 

[Xāvî1]

of-course they all are talented

 

[Nattana]

I wanna discuss the "talent" of the Sanin.

Orochimaru and Tsunade​

The whole thread is basically about these 2 (yes Jiraiya is not included).

Orochimaru: He was called a genius by Hiruzen, for having the ability to learn jutsus in a faster rate and so on. Is that talent? yes it is.

Tsunade: Hashirama called a very young Tsunade a monster. Is that talent? yes it is.


Now the difference is being born raw, and having the ability to become raw. Tsunade was apparently already a "monster" at a young age. While Orochimaru with his talent became a raw ninja later on. This is what separates the Sanin from the Team 7 kids.

Conclusion:

So I'm inclined to believe the "talented" one is Tsunade. If she had chosen to become a ninja like her Grandfather or Orochimaru/Jiraiya type.... she would've left them behind. But instead she focused on medical ninjutsu, and still ended up getting more respect and fame in the world then her teammates.


What are your thoughts?

Orochimaru was gifted with talent.
Tsunade was gifted with things she inherited from her ancestors.

Not counting natural strength because it's not somthing one can gain through training, Orochimaru outclasses Tsunade in every single way, except Medical jutsu (well, considering that Oro is 2nd best Medical ninja in NV, she's not THAT much better even here).

And considering that Tsunade and Oro were a part of the same team and IT WAS ORO who was praised for being a genious - it's obvious who has more talent. Tsunade's talent was what she inherited.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tsunade was the talented one, just as Sakura was on team 7 if she didn't have and Uchiha and a chakra powerhouse Uzimaki on her team.

 

[Bantos]

Orochimaru was gifted with talent.
Tsunade was gifted with things she inherited from her ancestors.

Not counting natural strength because it's not somthing one can gain through training, Orochimaru outclasses Tsunade in every single way, except Medical jutsu (well, considering that Oro is 2nd best Medical ninja in NV, she's not THAT much better even here).

And considering that Tsunade and Oro were a part of the same team and IT WAS ORO who was praised for being a genious - it's obvious who has more talent. Tsunade's talent was what she inherited.

Tsunade didn't inherit her strength. No other Senju were ever shown to have strength comparable to hers.
How is Orochimaru a medical ninja. O_O Orochimaru has never used medical ninjutsu.
Also, if Orochimaru were a talented medical ninja he would have attempted to heal his arms by himself, but he did not and asked Tsunade to do that for him.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Tsunade didn't inherit her strength. No other Senju were ever shown to have strength comparable to hers.
How is Orochimaru a medical ninja. O_O Orochimaru has never used medical ninjutsu.
Also, if Orochimaru were a talented medical ninja he would have attempted to heal his arms by himself, but he did not and asked Tsunade to do that for him.

I think her strength is a byproduct from having to powerful chakra's inside of her, she is an Uzumaki Senju hybird. Tobirama can make a crack in the wall, but he has to focus her chakra, Tsunade can just do it naturally.
orochimaru is more of a scientist too. But i believe that Tsunade (if she wanted to) could be better a doing what he's doing, that him.

 

[Fodder#4]

Tsunade was obviously more talented in the medical arts. Which is why she is so good and famous for it. Saying that if she became a ninjutsu specialist like her teammates, she would have been greater then them is false.


Orochimaru ha a grand knowledge on the human body. If he trained to e a medic all his life, would he have been greater hen Tsunade? No. He wouldn't of. That is not his field of experti. That, and Tsunade night have been capable if passing Jiraiya; but Orochimaru made his own dimension. I doubt Tsunade could of passed or rivaled that.

 

[Owarij]

I highly doubt that's what Hashirama was referring to considering context.

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Also she was obviously more skilled than Jiraiya.

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Jiraiya statements lend to her prowess

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As does Kabuto's.

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I actually didn't know what context it was said in, I was just guessing what it could be used with, and there are really only two possibilities.. 1 , her sheer strength, 2, her childhood behaviour...
There you go, you just linked the scan that put this thread in its coffin.. Hashirama was speaking of her STRENGTH, which really has nothing to do with talent, which begs the question of what premise this thread was made on

Noone said tsunade wasn't a genius medical ninja, but comparing her in ninja genius to Oro who was hyped as being a genius that comes every few decades? Madness

As for the last scan, I don't see the point

Jiraya, Orochimaru , are all legends as well , In a few years Copy ninja Kakashi will also be one if he isn't a living legend already...

 

[Nattana]

Tsunade didn't inherit her strength. No other Senju were ever shown to have strength comparable to hers.
How is Orochimaru a medical ninja. O_O Orochimaru has never used medical ninjutsu.
Also, if Orochimaru were a talented medical ninja he would have attempted to heal his arms by himself, but he did not and asked Tsunade to do that for him.

I admitted that Tsunade was better than Oro in Medical jutsu but that doesn't change the fact that Oro is second best Medical jutsu user.
Oral Rebirth is an EXTREMELY advanced medical jutsu.
Oro did tons of medical experiments, body modifications. He's an expert in DNA manipulation, he could even protect the cellular structure of his experiments.
He has a massive human body and poisons knowledge, he can create various, powerful pills.
The only reason we haven't seen him using some weak healing jutsu is that he didn't even need them.
And how could he even attempt healing his arms if he didn't have access to any used-with-hands jutsu?

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Jiraiya is the best of the legendary 3 he reminds me of Naruto while Oro is like a weaker dumber and more ugly version of Sasuke and Tsunade is a stronger version of Sakura with more chakra, bigger tits and more fanboys
so Jiraiya is the best, he's the strongest as well due to his giant summons and Sage Mode

 

[Bantos]

I admitted that Tsunade was better than Oro in Medical jutsu but that doesn't change the fact that Oro is second best Medical jutsu user.
Oral Rebirth is an EXTREMELY advanced medical jutsu.
Oro did tons of medical experiments, body modifications. He's an expert in DNA manipulation, he could even protect the cellular structure of his experiments.
He has a massive human body and poisons knowledge, he can create various, powerful pills.
The only reason we haven't seen him using some weak healing jutsu is that he didn't even need them.
And how could he even attempt healing his arms if he didn't have access to any used-with-hands jutsu?

Oral rebirth isn't medical ninjutsu. ._. It's one of the powers of the white snake.
Orochimaru isn't a medical ninja. Every medic has a massive knowledge of human body you know. He doesn't even rival Tsunade in medical ninjutsu usage.

 

[Nattana]

Oral rebirth isn't medical ninjutsu. ._. It's one of the powers of the white snake.
Orochimaru isn't a medical ninja. Every medic has a massive knowledge of human body you know. He doesn't even rival Tsunade in medical ninjutsu usage.

Ofc it is medical jutsu. It regenerates ANY lost limb, any body part lost in combat. It recreates body cells, blood, skin etc.
Oro possesses many forms, one of which being a human form. A jutsu regenerating and recreating human body parts IS a medical jutsu, an extremely powerful one.

@edit
For your information, being a medical ninja isn't only running around and spamming Mystical Palm Technique.

 

[Bantos]

Ofc it is medical jutsu. It regenerates ANY lost limb, any body part lost in combat. It recreates body cells, blood, skin etc.
Oro possesses many forms, one of which being a human form. A jutsu regenerating and recreating human body parts IS a medical jutsu, an extremely powerful one.

No, just no. Orochimaru's true body is the white snake one. At least it was. That's why when four tailed Naruto slashed him in half he was pulled together by snakes. Orochimaru does not use medical ninjutsu. His skills associate with snakes.

 

[Nattana]

No, just no. Orochimaru's true body is the white snake one. At least it was. That's why when four tailed Naruto slashed him in half he was pulled together by snakes. Orochimaru does not use medical ninjutsu. His skills associate with snakes.

Oral rebirth and Gathering of the snakes aren't the same jutsu. Being a snake doesn't mean he cannot use Medical jutsu. He still regenerates skin, blood, and his insides - whether human limbs or not. Moreover, snakes have organs too, so actually he has much more to regenerate

 

[Bantos]

Oral rebirth and Gathering of the snakes aren't the same jutsu. Being a snake doesn't mean he cannot use Medical jutsu. He still regenerates skin, blood, and his insides - whether human limbs or not. Moreover, snakes have organs too, so actually he has much more to regenerate

You totally missed my point. ._. Orochimaru does not use medical ninjutsu. He has a good medical knowledge but doesn't use it. It's not even sure if he could.
Let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Oral rebirth and Gathering of the snakes aren't the same jutsu. Being a snake doesn't mean he cannot use Medical jutsu. He still regenerates skin, blood, and his insides - whether human limbs or not. Moreover, snakes have organs too, so actually he has much more to regenerate

lmao
by this logic edo tensei zombies have the best medical ninjutsu skills

 

[Nattana]

You totally missed my point. ._. Orochimaru does not use medical ninjutsu. He has a good medical knowledge but doesn't use it. It's not even sure if he could.
Let's just agree to disagree.

I figured we won't agree with each other, but.
Please, tell me. What do you mean by Medical Ninjutsu?

lmao
by this logic edo tensei zombies have the best medical ninjutsu skills

Edo zombies are someone's jutsu lol. They're just tools, like kunai.
And please, tell me. What do you mean by Medical Ninjutsu?

 

[TheEvilOne]

I don't think Orochimaru's oral rebirth is a medical ninjutsu. The medical ninjutsu accelerates the cell division, unlike the oral rebirth which restores its user in the state he was before the damage. I base this on the fact that even Orochimaru's clothing is restored.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Please, tell me. What do you mean by Medical Ninjutsu?

jutsu used by Tsunade Sakura Shizune or Rin