Taka Sasuke vs Lee

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Conditions: Sasuke that fought Bee.
Intel: Sasuke has Manga intel, Lee has full.
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Characters are bloodlusted but IC (fight like they do in the manga but going for the kill). Neutral location and distance.

I have my own opinion on the matchup but I wanna see what the base thinks.
 
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Reacting to Lee's speed isn't an issue first of all. Sasuke>Kisame in all forms of speed, especially due to Sharingan. Kisame was able to physically react to Gai (and that was his striking speed, which is>>His movement speed), who is faster than Lee by a good amount as base Gai>Base Lee in speed, unless someone wants to tell me that Base Lee is near Kakashi. (which he isn't) Thus Sasuke easily reacts to any of Lee's physical attacks or blitz attempts.

The issue lies in dealing with Asa Kujaku, which again, shouldn't be as strong as Gai's as Lee is physically inferior to Gai. Sasuke probably won't be able to evade it due to it's AoE. So the only thing he can do is respond with Amaterasu when Lee tries to go for Asa Kujaku. Lee doesn't have the reaction speed or the movement speed to evade it, so he dies right on the spot.
 

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Reacting to Lee's speed isn't an issue first of all. Sasuke>Kisame in all forms of speed, especially due to Sharingan. Kisame was able to physically react to Gai (and that was his striking speed, which is>>His movement speed), who is faster than Lee by a good amount as base Gai>Base Lee in speed, unless someone wants to tell me that Base Lee is near Kakashi. (which he isn't) Thus Sasuke easily reacts to any of Lee's physical attacks or blitz attempts.

The issue lies in dealing with Asa Kujaku, which again, shouldn't be as strong as Gai's as Lee is physically inferior to Gai. Sasuke probably won't be able to evade it due to it's AoE. So the only thing he can do is respond with Amaterasu when Lee tries to go for Asa Kujaku. Lee doesn't have the reaction speed or the movement speed to evade it, so he dies right on the spot.
I didn't see that this was Taka and was thinking of 3T Hebi Sasuke. Whoops, lol. I almost went off when you said Amaterasu and then i looked at the title again. You think he can react to a gated Lee though?
 

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I didn't see that this was Taka and was thinking of 3T Hebi Sasuke. Whoops, lol. I almost went off when you said Amaterasu and then i looked at the title again. You think he can react to a gated Lee though?
He easily reacts to Gated Lee. Easily. Kisame is not as fast as Sasuke is. On foot or reactions wise, yet he was capable of reacting to 6G Gai's kick. Striking speed>>Movement speed when it comes to Gai in Gated Mode. So he'd be able to react to Gai's charge in 6G. Lee isn't faster than Gai nor is he as fast as Gai, so Sasuke reacts to him even easier.

But yeah, Amaterasu pretty much one shots when Sasuke feels like using it.
 

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He easily reacts to Gated Lee. Easily. Kisame is not as fast as Sasuke is. On foot or reactions wise, yet he was capable of reacting to 6G Gai's kick. Striking speed>>Movement speed when it comes to Gai in Gated Mode. So he'd be able to react to Gai's charge in 6G. Lee isn't faster than Gai nor is he as fast as Gai, so Sasuke reacts to him even easier.

But yeah, Amaterasu pretty much one shots when Sasuke feels like using it.
Which kick did Kisame react to?!
 

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As Gai's kick was incoming, he was able to mentally react and his sword was coming down at the same time. The only thing is that Gai was too fast for him to block.
Well mental reaction is completely different than physical reaction. Lol Kisame swung that sword prior to Gai's kick, as a repsonse to him reappearing in front of him.

But yea, I guess I can understand the comparison.
 

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Well mental reaction is completely different than physical reaction. Lol Kisame swung that sword prior to Gai's kick, as a repsonse to him reappearing in front of him.

But yea, I guess I can understand the comparison.
Yeah, I realized that after looking at the previous panel. :lol
 

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Reacting to Lee's speed isn't an issue first of all. Sasuke>Kisame in all forms of speed, especially due to Sharingan. Kisame was able to physically react to Gai (and that was his striking speed, which is>>His movement speed), who is faster than Lee by a good amount as base Gai>Base Lee in speed, unless someone wants to tell me that Base Lee is near Kakashi. (which he isn't) Thus Sasuke easily reacts to any of Lee's physical attacks or blitz attempts.
How is that statement going to be made when Bee needed to go V2 in order to trump Kisame, who was easily outmaneuvering him in base and V1. He easily did a better job against Bee in CQC then Sasuke did, even if we don't include Bee's sword dance. Kisame absolutely did not react to 6G Gai's striking speed. They were both face to face in a stand off, and Kisame decided to make his move first. The very moment Kisame initiated his swing, Gai reacted and swung his leg so fast that Kisame couldn't even complete a thought process - "So fas...", and then he got hit.

6G Lee should bee around V2 Bee running speed.

The issue lies in dealing with Asa Kujaku, which again, shouldn't be as strong as Gai's as Lee is physically inferior to Gai. Sasuke probably won't be able to evade it due to it's AoE. So the only thing he can do is respond with Amaterasu when Lee tries to go for Asa Kujaku. Lee doesn't have the reaction speed or the movement speed to evade it, so he dies right on the spot.
Sasuke took around the same amount of damage against Bee's V1 lariat, as Kisame did from a V2 skeletal lariat. So Lee's Asa Kujaku doesn't need to be as strong as Gai's in order to one shot Sasuke, because Sasuke is nowhere near as durable and pain resistant as Kisame is. Sasuke has no answer to a point blank Asa Kujaku in a similar manner to the one who KO'd Kisame. And I don't recall his proficency with Amaterasu being at it's best during his Taka days, but Lee should be able to blow Amaterasu off from the repelling force of the gates.
 

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FT, Kisame took the same amount of damage from V2 Lariat as Sasuke did from V1 Lariat because Samehada shielded him and absorbed some of the cloak.
 

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How is that statement going to be made when Bee needed to go V2 in order to trump Kisame, who was easily outmaneuvering him in base and V1. He easily did a better job against Bee in CQC then Sasuke did, even if we don't include Bee's sword dance. Kisame absolutely did not react to 6G Gai's striking speed. They were both face to face in a stand off, and Kisame decided to make his move first. The very moment Kisame initiated his swing, Gai reacted and swung his leg so fast that Kisame couldn't even complete a thought process - "So fas...", and then he got hit.

6G Lee should bee around V2 Bee running speed.



Sasuke took around the same amount of damage against Bee's V1 lariat, as Kisame did from a V2 skeletal lariat. So Lee's Asa Kujaku doesn't need to be as strong as Gai's in order to one shot Sasuke, because Sasuke is nowhere near as durable and pain resistant as Kisame is. Sasuke has no answer to a point blank Asa Kujaku in a similar manner to the one who KO'd Kisame. And I don't recall his proficency with Amaterasu being at it's best during his Taka days, but Lee should be able to blow Amaterasu off from the repelling force of the gates.
Yeah, I know. I was wrong about him reacting to Gai, but the only reason B needed V2 to take out Kisame is because V1's chakra would just get absorbed. Had nothing to do with his speed. Not to mention Sasuke evaded B's Shunshin+Lariat while Kisame only overwhelmed him in CQC, so I'm not sure how you are comparing the two. If anything Sasuke's feat is superior since the speed B moves at when he shunshins is superior to the speed he moves at when he fights in close combat.

And how did you put 6G Lee at V2 B's running speed?


When I mentioned power, I was referring to AoE. Of course Sasuke doesn't take an Asa Kujaku straight to the body with no defense. Sasuke could use Amaterasu, but he couldn't use Enton. That's it. Other than his proficiency is just as good as it normally would be. And if he's already in the 6G, he'll have to deactivate that and then reactivate it, and during that short time Amaterasu is burning him. The same Amaterasu that had Hachibi on the ground screaming. He either dies or gets seriously injured.
 

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How is that statement going to be made when Bee needed to go V2 in order to trump Kisame, who was easily outmaneuvering him in base and V1. He easily did a better job against Bee in CQC then Sasuke did,
Are you serious with this? Bee used his sword dance on Sasuke who was able to keep up for some time while he used 1 blade and a chakra enhanced pencil on kisame that's hardly Kisame doing better in cqc unless you think Bee using that same combo on Sasuke would have ended him or did anything relevant?

Bee needed V2 to trump him in CQC? hardly Bee's lack of knowledge on shark skin was the reason he v1 was losing he was just rushing right into Kisame's sword letting it absorb his chakra he never even got the momentum or top speed he had when Sasuke dodged him in mid air even when using v2 Killerbee just dove right into shark skin. I could say the same about Sasuke that bee would need v2 to tag him because he reacted to v1 Bee's top speed twice by jumping over him and genjutsu it was not until he let his guard down that Bee landed at hit on him which was about 5m away at that.

Also lunging a sword around that's cover's your entire body from 1 direction as oppose to using a standard katana blade is far less impressive.

even if we don't include Bee's sword dance. Kisame absolutely did not react to 6G Gai's striking speed. They were both face to face in a stand off, and Kisame decided to make his move first. The very moment Kisame initiated his swing, Gai reacted and swung his leg so fast that Kisame couldn't even complete a thought process - "So fas...", and then he got hit.
Make it the real Kisame give him faster movements and a 3 tomoe sharingan he reacts to it no problem at all.

6G Lee should bee around V2 Bee running speed.
Based off absolutely nothing.



Sasuke took around the same amount of damage against Bee's V1 lariat, as Kisame did from a V2 skeletal lariat. So Lee's Asa Kujaku doesn't need to be as strong as Gai's in order to one shot Sasuke, because Sasuke is nowhere near as durable and pain resistant as Kisame is. Sasuke has no answer to a point blank Asa Kujaku in a similar manner to the one who KO'd Kisame. And I don't recall his proficency with Amaterasu being at it's best during his Taka days, but Lee should be able to blow Amaterasu off from the repelling force of the gates.
Wrong Sasuke got hit bare handed with the lariat while Kisame Had shark skin right in front of him we've seen absorption make a mockery out of his lariat (Preta path Nagato took 0 damage) and with all that he still had the same gaping whole in his body sasuke had take away those initial defenses Kisame would have been torn in half. What is morning peacock best feat? putting holes in a akatsuki jacket killing a fodder? Not happening against Sasuke and since when does opening a gate = unlocking all its power such as special moves.

Sasuke does have an answer to it Chidori nagashi negates him getting hit directly meaning he only has to withstand the fire which is not killing him at all. I do not recall lee being able to use morning peacock and definitely not being good at it either so? How? is lee going to blow amaterasu away the aura he releases when opening his gates is miniscule

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Amaterasu near the size of Gyuki is not being blown away but nothing that small then add what is lee counter to sharingan genjutsu we have zero proof he can fight like gai so do not even bring it up then add if he uses the gate before amaterasu comes out he's a goner if he does not he's also a goner.

Sasuke wins this med-high diff.
 
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