[CFS] Surreal Palm

[Lili-Chwan]

Human's Scion . Apple

 

[McRazor]

Human's Scion . Apple

Analyze where, what, how? Apples?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I thought you wanted to learn Surreal Palm.. guess I was wrong.

 

[McRazor]

Too bad I already did, the only issue is where are the techniques that I supposedly have to analyze. U_U

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Too bad I already did, the only issue is where are the techniques that I supposedly have to analyze. U_U

In my thread, second page, surreal palm post

 

[Reborn]

Hello Mother is this the thread you wanted me to come to?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

yes indeed, start answering some questions

 

[Drāgy]

I am indeed, is part of my charm. Analyze Apple's Scion

So where do we start. I really like how you made it to be D rank, yet it has some very interesting usages. As you have already described in your submission, the technique essentially allows you to detach your head onto the chaos that meticulously confounds the main human senses. When someone actually manages to cast such illusion, you basically move your torso around. Furthermore your head will seemingly detach from the rest of your body, the body appearing completely black and the face will likewise stay behind as a target for the opponent's illusion, with a large apple in front of it. Correspondently, tiny apples will appear all around the chosen target in a grid formation. The apples are for sure a great detail. Another great thing about it is that the physical body of the practitioner isn't bound to the black avatar, and can move independently.

I am really liking this technique because it is a great counter for sense altering illusions. Blindness and deafness illusions were always a pain. Well not anymore! I wonder what inspired you to create the technique.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

So where do we start. I really like how you made it to be D rank, yet it has some very interesting usages. As you have already described in your submission, the technique essentially allows you to detach your head onto the chaos that meticulously confounds the main human senses. When someone actually manages to cast such illusion, you basically move your torso around. Furthermore your head will seemingly detach from the rest of your body, the body appearing completely black and the face will likewise stay behind as a target for the opponent's illusion, with a large apple in front of it. Correspondently, tiny apples will appear all around the chosen target in a grid formation. The apples are for sure a great detail. Another great thing about it is that the physical body of the practitioner isn't bound to the black avatar, and can move independently.

I am really liking this technique because it is a great counter for sense altering illusions. Blindness and deafness illusions were always a pain. Well not anymore! I wonder what inspired you to create the technique.

We'll, it was the painting by Magritte, the Son of Man. Here's what happens to you when you use this illusion. You swap places. A aprt of your mind is still caught in the illusion, but you can still see reality as you will. it's like peering around the stage decoration. The apples are also great because they're catching the pponent's eyes. If you need your opponent to look at somehting, you just have to align your physical body with the apples your opponent is looking at and then release the gen.

Another thing, within that short-range axis, you can dodge as you'd like, with any taijutsu. So it's also a way to counter minute attacks, like small projectiles and other taijutsu.

 

[Drāgy]

Ahh so that's how the artwork is called. I knew that I have seen it somewhere but I could not remember the name of it. So I would be able to counter small projectiles and taijutsu as well? That's really useful. Alright, everything understood.

What do you want me to analyse next, Metamorphosis or Evolution?

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Both of them!

 

[Drāgy]

Alright. Starting with the Evolution one. I have seen how you used it in a fight already so I understand it. It's pretty cool technique. Obviously its main uses are evasive. I have one question though, throughout the continuous rebirth of the the person, his/her first avatar will look exactly like the practitioner before the start of it, and after that he/she has the freedom to give each reincarnation as much detail as wished - define "much detail", how far can a person go into his descriptions? Like what is the maximum line that one can not cross?

The name of it describes it very clearly. Even without reading it I had a basic understanding, or rather an assumption, of what it was going to contain. Compendium is comprehensive collection of something; in this case a collection of creatures/wild beasts. Metamorphosis, if I remember right, that was the entitled name of Kafka's famous novel, where a man wakes up to find he has turned into a cockroach, and exactly that kind of complete and startling change pretty much sums up the word. That's for sure the case here. I understand it as a striking change in appearance or character. When you connect the words in one, you pretty much understand what the technique allows you to do - the illusion shifts the body to undergo a metamorph into a body of animals ( whole metamorphosis ) or only parts of your body undergo this process ( part-metamorphosis ). If you have a good strategy you can put your opponents into deleterious situations for sure. I have no questions about it. Good work, especially on the name. Thumbs up on that particular part!

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Alright. Starting with the Evolution one. I have seen how you used it in a fight already so I understand it. It's pretty cool technique. Obviously its main uses are evasive. I have one question though, throughout the continuous rebirth of the the person, his/her first avatar will look exactly like the practitioner before the start of it, and after that he/she has the freedom to give each reincarnation as much detail as wished - define "much detail", how far can a person go into his descriptions? Like what is the maximum line that one can not cross?

As long as you keep your details contained generally around your body frame, you're peach. You can open your arms and it shows wings, but they can't be like 30 meters wingspan. You can become a troll, but you can't become a giant. You can become smaller or taller, as long as it isn't too extreme. You can turn exactly like someone you know, or an hybrid with multiple traits of people you know or imagine. It's your whole imagination, as long as the people you turn into are around human sized. Or turn into 2 people (though siamese twins, conjoint, might be nice)

Also, do not be obscene without class. Like, that's a moral rule. You are suppose to impress, and the macabre can actually be quite impressive. But there's a line between horror and just tasteless. Try to walk the line without crossing it.

The name of it describes it very clearly. Even without reading it I had a basic understanding, or rather an assumption, of what it was going to contain. Compendium is comprehensive collection of something; in this case a collection of creatures/wild beasts. Metamorphosis, if I remember right, that was the entitled name of Kafka's famous novel, where a man wakes up to find he has turned into a cockroach, and exactly that kind of complete and startling change pretty much sums up the word. That's for sure the case here. I understand it as a striking change in appearance or character. When you connect the words in one, you pretty much understand what the technique allows you to do - the illusion shifts the body to undergo a metamorph into a body of animals ( whole metamorphosis ) or only parts of your body undergo this process ( part-metamorphosis ). If you have a good strategy you can put your opponents into deleterious situations for sure. I have no questions about it. Good work, especially on the name. Thumbs up on that particular part!

Great poetic and artistic analysis! I love how these jutsu allow us to bring such great topics to the conversation, and that is just something so beautiful about the style. I had never know it would have such personality.

As for the practical functions, your physical body and illusionary body (which is animalized or fully animal) have to juxtapose in spatial position but not size or body position. For example, in the Whole-Metamorphosis category, you can disapear from sight and the only thing that turned into an animal, a full lion for example, is your legs, which you are using to physically kick someone in the stomach. The lion is you, but only juxtaposed with your legs, while the rest of your body is technically still the lion but isn't really correspondant to any of the parts of the animal. Samewise, you can make your whole body disappear and the only animal is a butterfly that represents where your head is, or where your eye is (wink wink).

The difference of the Whole-Metamorphosis and the Part-Methamorphosis is, other than the obvious getting every part of your body to correspond to similar part of an animal, the fact that in one your whole body disappears or is transformed, in the other your whole body retains it's appearance, and the illusion only acts on part of the body. You could do the exact same examples as before, but in the Part-Meta you'd appear as if riding a lion (which is disguising your legs) or as if you had a butterfly on your face (which is disguising your eye).

Another thing is, if you give yourself claws, you can slash an illusionary object of the same rank as the metamorphosis you're using. Imagine you're being constricted by illusionary ropes, B rank. You can turn your arm into a clawed foot of an eagle and rip through the ropes. Imagine the ropes are A rank, you can turn your body into an elephant and burst through the ropes. If your animal can interact with the environment, it can interact with illusionary structures, as long as it makes sense ( a tiny catterpillar can't just headbutt through a metal casket, nor can a vulture just brush off a squirt of acid )

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Btw, we have 2 new techniques! Analyze them when you're ready

 

[Drāgy]

I will make sure to note those ideas. Good stuff.

Since you liked my artistic analysis I might as well do it again. Let's start with Cosmos. You have used a very pretty word there - uberous comes from the latin word, which I have many times encountered in latin classes, uber. It means quite literally fruitfulness or richness, but since in latin the word is a noun and you used it here as an adjective I would say that it means abundant or copious - essentially something present in great quantity. Cosmos is originally a Greek word and by my knowledge it used to mean both "order" and "world", however, now cosmos means the sum total of everything — or in other words everything that exists anywhere - and particularly on the scale of the stars, the planets, the black holes and the other universes. So again, when I connect the words together I get what the technique does. Essentially it gives you the ability to stretch out both of your arms, and, with them, to part the whole world in half, along with any illusion, plunging both into the void of the world between both halves of the physical realm. In addition, when everything is done, you can slap both hands together, closing both halves, and a blast of chakra, that is equivalent to S rank, will be released, up to short range, all around or in a single direction. Very formidable technique!

My questions are the following:

1) It states that the user will part the whole world in half, along with any illusion of the same rank. Since the technique is S rank, I started wondering, does this mean that we can use it to eradicate an S rank genjutsu?

2) It also states that the targets won't be able to move, as they briefly behold all the wonders of a foreign and marvellous galaxy, meaning they are in a way paralysed, right?

3) When the user claps his hands a blast of chakra is released from the user outwards towards his target(s), up to short range, correct?


Now onto the second one. Persistence means the act of persisting or persevering, and perishing means to pass from physical life and lose all bodily attributes and functions necessary to sustain life, the effect that you achieve by breaking the opponent's back, as stated in the technique itself. However that is not the important part of the technique, it is only the finishing move. The important part is, that you get the freedom to impress with class, by guiding the abstract goo of the fabrics of reality through the physical motions. It is more taijutsu orientated. I have none questions about it.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I will make sure to note those ideas. Good stuff.

Since you liked my artistic analysis I might as well do it again. Let's start with Cosmos. You have used a very pretty word there - uberous comes from the latin word, which I have many times encountered in latin classes, uber. It means quite literally fruitfulness or richness, but since in latin the word is a noun and you used it here as an adjective I would say that it means abundant or copious - essentially something present in great quantity. Cosmos is originally a Greek word and by my knowledge it used to mean both "order" and "world", however, now cosmos means the sum total of everything — or in other words everything that exists anywhere - and particularly on the scale of the stars, the planets, the black holes and the other universes. So again, when I connect the words together I get what the technique does. Essentially it gives you the ability to stretch out both of your arms, and, with them, to part the whole world in half, along with any illusion, plunging both into the void of the world between both halves of the physical realm. In addition, when everything is done, you can slap both hands together, closing both halves, and a blast of chakra, that is equivalent to S rank, will be released, up to short range, all around or in a single direction. Very formidable technique!

My questions are the following:

1) It states that the user will part the whole world in half, along with any illusion of the same rank. Since the technique is S rank, I started wondering, does this mean that we can use it to eradicate an S rank genjutsu?

2) It also states that the targets won't be able to move, as they briefly behold all the wonders of a foreign and marvellous galaxy, meaning they are in a way paralysed, right?

3) When the user claps his hands a blast of chakra is released from the user outwards towards his target(s), up to short range, correct?


Now onto the second one. Persistence means the act of persisting or persevering, and perishing means to pass from physical life and lose all bodily attributes and functions necessary to sustain life, the effect that you achieve by breaking the opponent's back, as stated in the technique itself. However that is not the important part of the technique, it is only the finishing move. The important part is, that you get the freedom to impress with class, by guiding the abstract goo of the fabrics of reality through the physical motions. It is more taijutsu orientated. I have none questions about it.

Excelent analysis xD And the aliteration is also nice xD

1) It does not eradicate, but it does manipulate it. It's still there, but its under your control. It's as I explained, if the S rank jutsu creates a tree, you can break the tree in half along with the universe. it's a broken tree, it will serve no purpose as you're destroying it, but it's still technically there.

2) They are indeed, it's a void, it just grips them and they can't move, and then they get sledged.

3) It can be released as like a growind dome of chakra, all around you, or a blast of chakra in any give direction. And yes, up to short range. Which makes the restrictions Mandy put quite overly-restrictiong.



As for the second one, it's about The Persistence of Memory, from Salvador Dali. As time itself seems to bend and goo, falling from the trees. Such as time is ever bending and ever molding, so is the illusionary realm. The finishing move is also an ode to that, as I didn't want just your typical finishing move with a superpowerful punch or kick. You literally bend your opponent, like you're a tree branch and he is one of the hanging clocks.