Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[Legendary Broly]

Don't know much about him really. Though, interesting enough, the databook states he was the most gifted in his clan and was a very good leader. Weird thing is, he lived during the time of Madara and Hashirama. After the clan turned their back on Madara, Hikaku was probably the one to lead.

Are you for real O.O
Bro you are on to something ?
:|
As usual xd
Most gifted ? leader ? I am guessing he is a candidate for Tobi's ID ?

 

[MinatoFLASH]

1. MS + MS has to be brothers MS + MS ! U_U
You are getting pretty cocky here bro
Tobi can't just add Itachi's MS to his own it wont go EMS it has to be your bros ! :flaw:
That is why sasuke evolves the eye into EMS then Tobi takes it xd

2. What ever bro I already said what I could :scorps:
If you choose to hear it you can , but obviously not xd

3. Well I did say that Senju DNA could somehow enhance the eyes vision to last longer much like it enhances Shisui's KA making it like reload faster
Also yeah but it has just been proven that Tobi's S/T is one jutsu ! :shrug:
And it is from the eye ! xd

And thanks bro xd
But you aren't killing it completely, you have some strong points I'll give you that



Again with your theories ! awesome bro xd
I love it I wish people would rep+ you
The only thing is if he took Shisui's eye and gave it back that sounds weird I mean Shisui would of been like the faq :|
Ahaha I like the MS part though bro :y
And I like how you said he suddenly became interested !
Maybe he thought Shisui did destroy his own eyes when he confronted him like my theory says ? :O
He couldn't get EMS then and ditched the eye then went all crazy when he saw Danzou had it for EMS and for the full potential you were talking about ..

Hey what if KA can control the 10 tails ! O.O

1. Well cocky is my thing XD. Ok so it has to be 2 bros. Cool but what i mean is when he got Itachi's MS why did he give them to Sasuke? After he implanted them it made EMS. He could of drugged Sasuke some more and implanted Sasuke's eyes into himself since Sasuke now has EMS right after he merged his MS with Itachi's. He could of easily took the merged eyes right there and then and accomplish his life long dream. :shrug:

2. It is clear that emotion triggers MS. So killing Rin made the EYE feel bad for Rin?? He cant possibly get MS unless the EYE had an emotional break down which means Tobi's EYE had a mind of its own or he also took obito's mind????

Dude this you gotta admit makes no sense its a very weak theory.

I dont see how some senju DNA allows Tobi to use MS as long as he wants without going blind and without the EMS. :shrug:
Again I know its just a theory but like every theory it has its flaws.

 

[SilverSlick]

Are you for real O.O
Bro you are on to something ?
:|
As usual xd
Most gifted ? leader ? I am guessing he is a candidate for Tobi's ID ?

Haha its a possibility I guess but I doubt it.

What I found interesting was the guy behind Hikaku in the manga

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1. Tobi needed Sasuke to initially sync with Gedo Mazo like Nagato. Well more importantly, I believe Tobi wanted Sasuke to advance his EMS to Rinnegan. Tobi states himself he likes to stock up on good eyes. If Tobi would of got Sasuke's eyes, it would of done no use in trying to get EMS because Tobi isn't brothers with Itachi

So Tobi wanted Sasuke to unlock Rinnegan and sync with Gedo, but since his plan wasn't going accordingling, he decided to get Nagato's Rinnegan so he himself could sync with it.

I could be wrong on this last point.

2. It's possible

Anyways, this theory is really good and many people have praised LssjBroly for it.

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Haha its a possibility I guess but I doubt it.

What I found interesting was the guy behind Hikaku in the manga

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EDIT@ MinatoFLASH

1. Tobi needed Sasuke to initially sync with Gedo Mazo like Nagato. Well more importantly, I believe Tobi wanted Sasuke to advance his EMS to Rinnegan. Tobi states himself he likes to stock up on good eyes. If Tobi would of got Sasuke's eyes, it would of done no use in trying to get EMS because Tobi isn't brothers with Itachi

So Tobi wanted Sasuke to unlock Rinnegan and sync with Gedo, but since his plan wasn't going accordingling, he decided to get Nagato's Rinnegan so he himself could sync with it.

I could be wrong on this last point.

2. It's possible

Anyways, this theory is really good and many people have praised LssjBroly for it.

1. Tobi could of took Sasuke AND itachi's MS while it merged! 2 bros MS= EMS. WHy would Tobi want Sasuke to get rinnegan?? EMS was the goal here according to the thread maker his whole life was about getting EMS. His whole plan was to have his 2 sons kills each other and then take their 2 MS for his EMS. He could of easily done this long ago with sasuke and itachi's eyes.

2. And your saying its possible that tobi's eye has emotions of its own. Are you serious??

Never said its a bad thread but its not flawless clearly I just doing what the thread maer wants. Find flaws.

 

[SashaUchiha]

LOL well 44 is not too bad .. :ghehe:
I mean people have had kids older :scorps:

The age seems reasonable if you take into account Hiruzen's son Asuma who is the same age as Kakashi, Obito, and Gai.

exactly...

Ao is not old & shisui is famous we don't know if it was a war or mission ao & shisui fought in itachi kakashi (superior talent at young ages ) & all ninjas fight young

1.Hanzo fought negato does that mean hanzo if alive would be in his 40's?

2.Shisui was around 15 16 at his death compare sasuke to itachi or izuna to madara because itachi looked up to him doesn't mean he was grown

Keep in mind shisui was the one of the most gifted so like itachi or the other 3 I named he got ms. young & recognition young

1. Hanzo has to be atleast 20 years older than nagato, that makes him 60 if he lived atm.
2. I think Shisui died around 20...

Alright man, I have one more connection that I think I found and then I'll tie it all up together.

Alright first, I believe Tobi actually had KA and he used it on Yagura. He probably didn't have Senju/Hashi cells at this point so of course he had the ten year drawback as well. So after he used it once, he ditched that eye. Sometime, before or after the Uchiha clan massacre, Orochimaru gave Hashi DNA to both Danzo AND Tobi. Since he had gotten the Hashi DNA, now he wanted Shisui's left eye from Danzo so he could use KA at its full potential. This is probably why he was pissed because Danzo crushed dat bitch.

Shisui probably unlocked MS sometime between Obito's death and his fight with Ao. I don't remember if you brought it up, but Obito's death could be the reason as to why he unlocked MS.

Anyways, what I'm saying is, Tobi only became interested in Shisui's eye AFTER he gained the Senju cells from Orochimaru. He probably didn't confront Danzo in the time between he gained the Senju cells and the Danzo/Sasuke because it was either too risky or because of the deal he made with Itachi.

So basically,

-Tobi had KA and used it on Yagura
-Tobi ditched that eye.
-Tobi and Danzo gained Senju cells
-Tobi then became really interested in Danzo's right eye that housed KA

Simple enough right?

:T_T: I can't +rep ypu again just yet!

1. Well cocky is my thing XD. Ok so it has to be 2 bros. Cool but what i mean is when he got Itachi's MS why did he give them to Sasuke? After he implanted them it made EMS. He could of drugged Sasuke some more and implanted Sasuke's eyes into himself since Sasuke now has EMS right after he merged his MS with Itachi's. He could of easily took the merged eyes right there and then and accomplish his life long dream. :shrug:

2. It is clear that emotion triggers MS. So killing Rin made the EYE feel bad for Rin?? He cant possibly get MS unless the EYE had an emotional break down which means Tobi's EYE had a mind of its own or he also took obito's mind????

Dude this you gotta admit makes no sense its a very weak theory.

I dont see how some senju DNA allows Tobi to use MS as long as he wants without going blind and without the EMS. :shrug:
Again I know its just a theory but like every theory it has its flaws.

now you're treating Sasuke like 3rd grade fodder xd

OT: oi! I missed quoting that guy who said Kagami's wife couldn't have kids at the age that Hiruzen was during Kyuubi's attack...
1. She already had big kids back then... Obito = 16/17, Shisui = 10/12.
2. We don't know her age. Assuming she's as old as Hiruzen is just "wrong". It's not unusual to find 10-15 years age difference between couples.

 

[SilverSlick]

1. Tobi could of took Sasuke AND itachi's MS while it merged! 2 bros MS= EMS. WHy would Tobi want Sasuke to get rinnegan?? EMS was the goal here according to the thread maker his whole life was about getting EMS. His whole plan was to have his 2 sons kills each other and then take their 2 MS for his EMS. He could of easily done this long ago with sasuke and itachi's eyes.

2. And your saying its possible that tobi's eye has emotions of its own. Are you serious??

Never said its a bad thread but its not flawless clearly I just doing what the thread maer wants. Find flaws.

Tobi wants Sasuke to fight Naruto and gain Rinnegan. I'm guessing he wants to take them for himself.


Oh yeah, and its not out of the question. Plus the Rin part wasn't the main part of the thread.

 

[Cocoa]

The major fault that I can see with your theory is that the dates of when these characters were born/when they died. From what I've gotten from the manga I've always assumed that Izuna died before the founding of Konoha and since Konoha was established around 60-80 years ago I feel like there should be a generation between Izuna and Kagami. I don't think Tobi killing Rin would unlock the MS in Obito's eye since Obito would need to be the one killing her. It could be possible (it's Kishi) but highly unlikely. I believe Shisui was trying to stop the coup d'etat by using his KA but Danzo stole the eye that produced the technique? Also that Shisui got Itatchi to kill him to help Itatchi attain MS as well as stop Danzo from obtaining his left eye. (Basically all of that is on Shisui's Narutopedia page OTL; ) Other than that I really like your theory, especially the whole family aspect of it. I wish we knew more of Izuna and Kagami. c:
Still don't understand how an eye can survive being crushed by a rock. lol​

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

see..this right here make me feel that right before she died she seen his ms...I THINK HE HAS IT AND USED IT ON HER :

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FTW come get at me

 

[NineTailsChakra99]

yeah good theory, but why would kagami kill his own son and kill his sons lover, i don't get it

 

[A Panda Hat]

I don't know if this has been brought up in one of your theories because I only looked at one of them. Mainly "tobi" not going blind. It explains in the anime that in order for an uchiha to have a permanent MS or EMS they need to transplant the eyes from another uchiha (brothers, same blood line), for example Madara and Izuna (pretty sure).

I don't have enough knowledge to tackle your other theories, so I'll just stick to the one.

Transplated sharingan eyes from a brother/parent/cousin to another gives them a permanent MS or EMS (for whatever reason).

 

[Gesshoku28]

I think this thread is pretty good. It explains alot in this manga. Logical, and reasonable. Nice theory bro!

 

[Cloudfx]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

On a side note - People please understand that this is just theories - I am not saying they are true or wrong it is just a few theories so guy's don't get too up tight about if you don't agree
:scorps:
Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

Spoiler

-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke
-Why Tobi's MS does not go blind

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
This is a powerful bloodline xd

-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives, a powerful bloodline?

The age's matches up as well :
Izuna is the generation above Kagami ( Madara's little bro - same age as Tobirama who is Hash's little bro and trained Hiruzen the same age as Kagami)
Kagami is around the same age as Hiruzen who had Asuma who would be around the same age as Obito
Obito ios a few years older then Shisui as Itachi is a few years older then Sasuke xd

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - (Kagami is Tobi) - this explains a lot of things
-It explains why Tobi would clench his arm when speaking of Izuna's loving sacrifice as this ultimatley went to waste, caused his dad's death and left him an orphan xd xd

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Number 2 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U


It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

An Extra thing I thought of xd
Why Tobi's MS has not gone blind :
This because Tobi claims to have senju DNA - we already know how senju DNA enhances the sharingan as seen with Shisui's KA - what if the Senju DNA also enhances the length of time the sharingan's sight can last for ? I mean it supposedly enhances the length of ones life - why not the eye sight in this unique dojutsu ? :scorps:
And yeah ofc like a member reminded me he hasn't exactly spammed any big ass moves like Amaterasu, Susanoo or Tsukuyomi :shrug:

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu
-Tobi's MS does not go blind as fast as it is enhanced by senju DNA
Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

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Everything you said was the most uncommon theory all put together
With that comment, adding this being the most uncommon I've heard it is amazing. Very well put together,
With that your theory would be most impressive if it were true or plausible which it does Put a twist in there but I've been saying this for awhile kishi haas a way of twisting words and stories and people just like the famouse example itachi
There was no way in hell anyone knew itach was a good guy he was portrayed as the most ruthless killer S-rank criminal
When he inside was a good hearted ninja to the end. Revealing that was mind bottling already so I think and hope kishi makes Tobi identity worth while

For me your theory would be great fit but I feel strongly about Tobi being Izuna

Also pointing out on a part of your theory I think they confirmed that the senju DNA makes the sharingan last longer well for blindness reasons
Danzo said it if I recall because he was experimented on his arm having those sharingan and him not being a uchiha made it worse so he has senju DNA to make izanagi affects last longer meaning the eye would t go blind that second and would after 5mins instead
So I assume if your a uchiha originally and have senju and don't use izanagi then your theory would kick in about them having the sharingan not going blind

 

[Cloudfx]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

On a side note - People please understand that this is just theories - I am not saying they are true or wrong it is just a few theories so guy's don't get too up tight about if you don't agree
:scorps:
Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

Spoiler

-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke
-Why Tobi's MS does not go blind

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
This is a powerful bloodline xd

-They are resemble each other a bit imo
been discussing in the thread and this came up :
*Tobi and his powerful genjutsu that controlled Yagura resembles Shisui's KA as well as the genjutsu he used on Konan - points to being relatives, a powerful bloodline?

The age's matches up as well :
Izuna is the generation above Kagami ( Madara's little bro - same age as Tobirama who is Hash's little bro and trained Hiruzen the same age as Kagami)
Kagami is around the same age as Hiruzen who had Asuma who would be around the same age as Obito
Obito ios a few years older then Shisui as Itachi is a few years older then Sasuke xd

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - (Kagami is Tobi) - this explains a lot of things
-It explains why Tobi would clench his arm when speaking of Izuna's loving sacrifice as this ultimatley went to waste, caused his dad's death and left him an orphan xd xd

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Number 2 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U


It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
[/B] The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one
EDIT: view some nice as theories in the comments about zetsu they seem more legit then this - they mention Kisame being controlled unknowingly by Tobi check them out for more details

An Extra thing I thought of xd
Why Tobi's MS has not gone blind :
This because Tobi claims to have senju DNA - we already know how senju DNA enhances the sharingan as seen with Shisui's KA - what if the Senju DNA also enhances the length of time the sharingan's sight can last for ? I mean it supposedly enhances the length of ones life - why not the eye sight in this unique dojutsu ? :scorps:
And yeah ofc like a member reminded me he hasn't exactly spammed any big ass moves like Amaterasu, Susanoo or Tsukuyomi :shrug:

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu
-Tobi's MS does not go blind as fast as it is enhanced by senju DNA
Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

EDIT: THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE REP I WOULD THANK YOU INDIVIDUALLY BUT I CAN'T RETRACE YOU GUYS ! xd I REPPED BACK THE ONES WHO COMMENTED BECAUSE I COULD FIND THEM THANKS I REALLY APPRECIATED IT xd

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Everything you said was the most uncommon theory all put together
With that comment, adding this being the most uncommon I've heard it is amazing. Very well put together,
With that your theory would be most impressive if it were true or plausible which it does Put a twist in there but I've been saying this for awhile kishi haas a way of twisting words and stories and people just like the famouse example itachi
There was no way in hell anyone knew itach was a good guy he was portrayed as the most ruthless killer S-rank criminal
When he inside was a good hearted ninja to the end. Revealing that was mind bottling already so I think and hope kishi makes Tobi identity worth while

For me your theory would be great fit but I feel strongly about Tobi being Izuna

Also pointing out on a part of your theory I think they confirmed that the senju DNA makes the sharingan last longer well for blindness reasons
Danzo said it if I recall because he was on his arm having those sharingan and him not being a uchiha made it worse so he has senju DNA to make izanagi affects last longer meaning the eye would t go blind that second and would after 5mins instead
So I assume if your a uchiha originally and have senju and don't use izanagi then your theory would kick in about them having the sharingan not going blind

 

[Vhoopee]

First off I'd like to say I like the thread +rep.

I have read a few things that pose questions in my mind and it seems that people dance right around them, intentionally or not I'm not sure.

1:If Tobi has Shisui's body and took him before he died, Why did he not simply put Obito's eye into Shisui's socket there-by activating the EMS and powering himself up.

2:If killingyour best friend is what is required to activate MS then please explain how Sasuke's was activated without killing Naruto. It was enabled through the intense fight that they had.

 

[Wabbit]

Great theory...made my day...I cant find any loopholes
Everything seems legit

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

SILVERSLICK made good points...

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Tobi wants Sasuke to fight Naruto and gain Rinnegan. I'm guessing he wants to take them for himself.


Oh yeah, and its not out of the question. Plus the Rin part wasn't the main part of the thread.

He could of gotten the rinnegan without having 2kids fight each other. He could of gotten it all along but the thread clearly says he wanted and still wants EMS and not rinnegan. I don't see why he didn't implant sasuke and Itachi merged eyes in himself while doing the surgery. The Rin part clearly doesn't make sense. And Tobi being able to spam ms without havin EMS makes less sense also.

 

[A Duck On Quack]

I agree with you 100%. +rep

 

[Legendary Broly]

He could of gotten the rinnegan without having 2kids fight each other. He could of gotten it all along but the thread clearly says he wanted and still wants EMS and not rinnegan. I don't see why he didn't implant sasuke and Itachi merged eyes in himself while doing the surgery. The Rin part clearly doesn't make sense. And Tobi being able to spam ms without havin EMS makes less sense also.

I am just going to quickly answer this post because it is one of the last ones xd
Tobi obviously does not have his own rinnegan U_U
Tobi needs rinnegan yes but he has it already but someone elses - what eye stage has he skippped ? EMS
To have EMS means he wont go blind and also like I said maybe needed for infinite Tsukuyomi
Also with EMS he will be able to evolve his own rinnegan hence being able to flick back an forth between sharingan and rinnegan techniques
You are sort of short sighted if you can't see why Tobi didn't drug Sasuke U_U
Sasuke is not that easy to drug U_U
Are you trying to say put two eyes one from itachi and one from Sasuke into each eye socket ? :flaw:
What the heck- it does not work like that , Itachi's eyes have to replace Sasuke's eyes hence forming EMS , you can't just put Sasukes eye in one socket and Itachi's in the other and hope for EMS
Your reasoning here with the EMS is what is weak xd
I said senju DNA makes the eyes vision last longer not not let it become blind U_U
You can see how it worked with Shisui's KA and made Izangi last a lot longer so this can be possible for Tobi's MS as well U_U
As for Rin well you aren't going to budge - it was a minor theory I threw in there just because , and who knows it could be possible in the end x
:scorps:

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Everything you said was the most uncommon theory all put together
With that comment, adding this being the most uncommon I've heard it is amazing. Very well put together,
With that your theory would be most impressive if it were true or plausible which it does Put a twist in there but I've been saying this for awhile kishi haas a way of twisting words and stories and people just like the famouse example itachi
There was no way in hell anyone knew itach was a good guy he was portrayed as the most ruthless killer S-rank criminal
When he inside was a good hearted ninja to the end. Revealing that was mind bottling already so I think and hope kishi makes Tobi identity worth while

For me your theory would be great fit but I feel strongly about Tobi being Izuna

Also pointing out on a part of your theory I think they confirmed that the senju DNA makes the sharingan last longer well for blindness reasons
Danzo said it if I recall because he was on his arm having those sharingan and him not being a uchiha made it worse so he has senju DNA to make izanagi affects last longer meaning the eye would t go blind that second and would after 5mins instead
So I assume if your a uchiha originally and have senju and don't use izanagi then your theory would kick in about them having the sharingan not going blind

Thanks bro and I agree with your points xd
And Izuna seems to be a popular candidate for Tobi's ID
@RED I agree thanks bro - but I don't think it would stop him going blind but perhaps make MS last longer before he began to lose his light
rep+ you have some interesting points

 

[theoneturk]

Omg this might be true! And maybe he knows this much because he got Obitos other eye? I mean, if both eyes are Obitos, they could maybe also be connected in eye sight? (Tobi can see Kakashis vision) ;D and with Tobi's other eye, he can see perfectly normal? Just a thought lol.. (If thats true, that also explains how Tobi knows that Kakashi lived a life of regrets! And he heard about Might Guy forgetting faces from the shark Kisame sent with information on the Hidden clouds turtle island!)