Suigetsu vs Tsunade
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Katsuyu can very possibly beat Suigetsu. Even with hydrification if Katsuyu spits acid in him when he reforms he'll start to deteriorate.
And it is true that suigetsu can neutralize physical attacks sometimes.
Sometimes is the key word because as we know sometimes he cannot.
Now what will Tsunade do versus the blob Juugo was put in? I do in fact believe that she has raiton. But people tend to say no, she can only turn her chakra into electricity to which I would ask well then what else is a raiton. Regardless of that point I think she'll generate a high amount of chakra like so:
and then turn her chakra into electricity.
Now you may say she only generated a little bit of electricity. But all medical jutsus are about precision and using the right amount of chakra. If she had used more it would have only stunned Kabuto for a little while instead of fulfilling the purpose she wanted it to. Beyond that it is an A rank technique which indicates she's capable of powerful attacks with electricity. And if she can turn her chakra into electricity and if she has great chakra control it only stands to reason that she will be able to turn more of her chakra into electricity.
And it is true that suigetsu can neutralize physical attacks sometimes.
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Now you may say she only generated a little bit of electricity. But all medical jutsus are about precision and using the right amount of chakra. If she had used more it would have only stunned Kabuto for a little while instead of fulfilling the purpose she wanted it to. Beyond that it is an A rank technique which indicates she's capable of powerful attacks with electricity. And if she can turn her chakra into electricity and if she has great chakra control it only stands to reason that she will be able to turn more of her chakra into electricity.
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suigetsu jumps down the bridge into the water source -- i dont need to explain what happens next
suigetsu stomps - mid diff
suigetsu stomps - mid diff
Tsunade was never stated to have Raiton, Tazzilla. The humans nervous system consists out of electric impulses, Tsunade is able to control and thus sent them into Kabutos nervous system in order to derange the signals of his body. So an actual usage of the lightning element is not given. Using Karin as an example for the possibility to land physical hits on Suigetsu is also quite poor. Suigetsu liquefies his body at his will, so if he's going to be hit without realizing and above all not even preparing to be involved in a combat, he of course isn't able to react properly as the liquefy technique is also an ability that needs to be activated. We could argue what happens if Tsunade gets surprisingly stabbed from behind while just sitting in a bar and drinking her short drink, without even having a single intention to fight..a bit poor, you don't think?
Not only that the liquefy technique is a great advantage against Tsuande's fighting style, as any of her attacks are going to be nullified, Suigetsu possesses other techniques that are worth to be mentioned. When the talk is about Tsuande's brute strength, it should be noted that Suigetsu's ability allows him to boost his power by enlarging and strengthening his muscles. [
To cut a long story short, all of Tsunade's attacks are nullified by Suigetsu's Hydrification; Tsunade however hasn't an accurate counter against the move Suigetsu did on Juugo after countering his attack. There are always the same pages posted to convince the members from Tsunade's qualities, but in fact she can't do a shit against Suigetsu, at least when he makes use of the sea below them.
Not only that the liquefy technique is a great advantage against Tsuande's fighting style, as any of her attacks are going to be nullified, Suigetsu possesses other techniques that are worth to be mentioned. When the talk is about Tsuande's brute strength, it should be noted that Suigetsu's ability allows him to boost his power by enlarging and strengthening his muscles. [
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] Supplementary, he possesses Zabuza's sword. To cut a long story short, all of Tsunade's attacks are nullified by Suigetsu's Hydrification; Tsunade however hasn't an accurate counter against the move Suigetsu did on Juugo after countering his attack. There are always the same pages posted to convince the members from Tsunade's qualities, but in fact she can't do a shit against Suigetsu, at least when he makes use of the sea below them.
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This would be true, however it was stated she can TRANSFORM her chakra into ELECTRICITY. The keyword is TRANSFORM. This means she has raiton affinity.
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True Tsunade was never stated to have Raiton but if you look more closely at my argument it doesn't focus on the semantics of what we call that ability. Regardless of the semantics, we know what ability she possess in relation to electricity. Whether or not he's in a battle situation wasn't quite relevant as she continued to attack him. Tsunade wasn't planning to be attacked by Kabuto when "healing" Orochimaru's arms but she avoided such an attack. When Tsunade was drunk she was still able to hold her own. And in terms of the drinking in the bar scenario what is more likely to happen is her response when she was stabbed by Orochimaru. Tanking the sword was a last minute move. She didn't activate a technique for it. Likewise she would still continue to survive a random bar stabbing. Furthermore, if you want to use the out of battle argument wasn't Suigetsu out of battle when Juugo randomly attacked him. So why should that out of battle feat stand, and the other not? In such a scenario Karin hit him before he had time to react. Which would be a real possibility when you have Katsuyu and Tsunade present. What you just tried to do was distract me with the red herring that Tsunade doesn't have raiton which is not important. What is important is her turning her chakra into electricity for the sake of that argument to stand. What is important in terms of the Karin hit was that he was caught off guard and even after being caught of guard didn't form a proper response.
You form some reason mentioned that Suigetsu is pretty strong when he wants to be. But all of that pales by and large to Tsunade's strength. It's not even worth making a comparison in fact.
Attacks that are not nullified by Hydrification.
Katsuyu's acid
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Electricity based attacks.
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Any Poison based attacks.
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Medical attacks
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And any unexpected Physical attack
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And yes Tsunade's counter to the move suigetsu used on hyuuga is still shocking him with electricity. Unless you think that is not a viable option in which case he's also going to take down the raikages.
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The difference is that Suigetsu saw Juugo attacking him, while it wasn't expected by Karin, she came from nowhere.
You talk about poison based attacks when Tsunade just put it in Jiraiya's class on a nice evening. You talk about unexpected attacks, what if Suigetsu beheaded her with his sword unexpected? By your logic it would work, unless you say Suigetsu can fall for unexpected attacks but Tsunade not. Tsunade's fighting style does not include Raiton techniques anyway, so if she hits Suigetsu the first time, it would already be the chance for him to counter attack. To go sure, Suigetsu can use the whole sea beneath them in order to overwhelm her with those water masses to drown her in it, unless you going to say that Katsuyu's acid will affect the water masses Suigetsu is melt with, too.
And to come to the point with her medical Jutsu, the medical techniques he made use of in a combat are also physical. Assumed she uses her chakra scalpel, Suigetsu can still counter that with his liquefy. At least if I count the area to Suigetsu's advantage, he should have the upper hand, shouldn't he?
You talk about poison based attacks when Tsunade just put it in Jiraiya's class on a nice evening. You talk about unexpected attacks, what if Suigetsu beheaded her with his sword unexpected? By your logic it would work, unless you say Suigetsu can fall for unexpected attacks but Tsunade not. Tsunade's fighting style does not include Raiton techniques anyway, so if she hits Suigetsu the first time, it would already be the chance for him to counter attack. To go sure, Suigetsu can use the whole sea beneath them in order to overwhelm her with those water masses to drown her in it, unless you going to say that Katsuyu's acid will affect the water masses Suigetsu is melt with, too.
And to come to the point with her medical Jutsu, the medical techniques he made use of in a combat are also physical. Assumed she uses her chakra scalpel, Suigetsu can still counter that with his liquefy. At least if I count the area to Suigetsu's advantage, he should have the upper hand, shouldn't he?
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I have a question... When Suigetsu transforms into water, can't just Tsunade put poison in his water 'body'?
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I'll grant you that Suigetsu has the upper hand. and can even be victorious.
The problem I have however with you suigetsu catching Tsunade off guard, I'm not saying he can't get a lucky strike. But it would be easier for Tsunade to distract him with a giant slug the size of a tailed beast (which can divide into thousands of minis) and get a strike that way
And yes that was a poison attack when his body reforms the poison would begin to act. But my more pressing point is that Tsunade is a poison user, who taught Sakura, the use of poisons and was able to cure the greatest poisons in the 2nd shinobi war and as she is still a better specialist with poison could probably cure Kankuro's poisons. Which speak of the great knowledge on poisons. What that image proves is 1. Tsunade uses poisons and 2. Tsunade keeps poisons on her person. Given both Shizune's and Sakura's affinity to poison it is good chance that their master too is a poison user.
Ah yes, he can turn into water, but that is not a valid reason for why his chakra infused cells cannot be damaged via medical jutsu. He becomes a liquid meaning his molecular structure becomes more spaced out. But he still has cells, that can be killed. I didn't mention chakra scalpels because that's not the kind of attack I had in mind.
You keep trying to use the term Raiton but since we cannot agree on the usage of the term let's use the term electricity. And if at any point he is stunned by Electrity he can easily fall prey to her other jutsus.
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She has not shown raiton feats, therefore she has no raiton. Just because Tobirama is said too have FTG, we do not assume it is FTG level 2.
OT: Tsunade wins unless Suigetsu chops her head off.
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hydrification technique is a whole-body technique whereby the user liquefies their entire body at will, making it impossible to receive damage from physical attacks. From a single hair, to the skin and muscles, everything can be liquefied and solidified at will.
here it clearly states the hydrification takes place at will - the instances you depicted were surprise attacks
this is a spar where both are aware they have an opponent to fight with - which means that suigetsu enters the liquid state as soon as the fight starts and he will continue to be in that state throughout the fight rendering all tsunade's physical attacks useless
The body pathway derangement is An extremely high-level technique, used as a medical ninjutsu. The human body is controlled with electrical signals from the brain, but a person who had those electrical signals cut off with this technique will become unable to make their body move as they want. By transforming the chakra within one's body and giving it the properties of electricity, one creates an electric field. As soon as a strike of the hand lands, electric pulse is poured into the enemy's nervous system, severing the signals and deranging their body control. The target's body moves in any way, except how they want it to move. For the common shinobi, battle, not to mention even just walking, will become impossible
here it is only mentioned that as a medical ninja she can give her chakra ELECTRIC LIKE PROPERTIES not transform it into pure electricity also the amount of electricity required to derange a human nerve impulse is somewhere between
50 - 100 millivolts ( 1 millivolt = 1 / 1000 volt ) and raiton attacks that could nullify suiton jutsus range from 1000 - 10,000 volts
so all we have seen is that she can synthesize few millivolts of electricity by gathering her chakra for a few seconds
AND YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS SUCH AS SHE CAN SYNTHESIZE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO NULLIFY A SUITON ATTACK OR STUN A HUMAN
PS ~ even if she can generate that electicity -
she took 5 seconds to make 50 millivolts and for about 1000 volts ? do the math
which gives a time long enough for suigetsu to chop off tsunade's head
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^ above is the pic of the great naruto bridge ^
every suiton users obvious strategy is to get near a water body -
as the fight starts suigetsu jumps off the bridge and merges with the water below
After using his Hydrification Technique to merge with a water source, Suigetsu can form a giant wave that looks like a demon-like fish. Suigetsu can use this form to battle larger opponents, or he can use it to shield allies from attack. It was strong enough to push back an Eight-Tailed Killer B (whose brute strength is much greater than tsunade's), and also withstood a Tailed Beast Bomb
-- i hav already explained why that electricity attack of yours is just an assumption but even if i let you hold on to it do you
think she can generate enough electricity to stun the ocean like water body below ?
-- do you think she carries enough poison OR katsuyu can spit out enough acid to harm an OCEAN like body of
suigetsu ?
FOR ALL WE KNOW AFTER MERGING WITH THE OCEAN LET ALONE TSUNADE SUIGETSU CAN ERADICATE THE ENTIRE LAND OF WAVES
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