Suigetsu vs Tsunade

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hydrification technique is a whole-body technique whereby the user liquefies their entire body at will, making it impossible to receive damage from physical attacks. From a single hair, to the skin and muscles, everything can be liquefied and solidified at will.
here it clearly states the hydrification takes place at will - the instances you depicted were surprise attacks
this is a spar where both are aware they have an opponent to fight with - which means that suigetsu enters the liquid state as soon as the fight starts and he will continue to be in that state throughout the fight rendering all tsunade's physical attacks useless

The body pathway derangement is An extremely high-level technique, used as a medical ninjutsu. The human body is controlled with electrical signals from the brain, but a person who had those electrical signals cut off with this technique will become unable to make their body move as they want. By transforming the chakra within one's body and giving it the properties of electricity, one creates an electric field. As soon as a strike of the hand lands, electric pulse is poured into the enemy's nervous system, severing the signals and deranging their body control. The target's body moves in any way, except how they want it to move. For the common shinobi, battle, not to mention even just walking, will become impossible

here it is only mentioned that as a medical ninja she can give her chakra ELECTRIC LIKE PROPERTIES not transform it into pure electricity also the amount of electricity required to derange a human nerve impulse is somewhere between
50 - 100 millivolts ( 1 millivolt = 1 / 1000 volt ) and raiton attacks that could nullify suiton jutsus range from 1000 - 10,000 volts
so all we have seen is that she can synthesize few millivolts of electricity by gathering her chakra for a few seconds
AND YOU ARE IN NO POSITION TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS SUCH AS SHE CAN SYNTHESIZE ENOUGH ELECTRICITY TO NULLIFY A SUITON ATTACK OR STUN A HUMAN

PS ~ even if she can generate that electicity -
she took 5 seconds to make 50 millivolts and for about 1000 volts ? do the math
which gives a time long enough for suigetsu to chop off tsunade's head









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^ above is the pic of the great naruto bridge ^

every suiton users obvious strategy is to get near a water body -
as the fight starts suigetsu jumps off the bridge and merges with the water below

After using his Hydrification Technique to merge with a water source, Suigetsu can form a giant wave that looks like a demon-like fish. Suigetsu can use this form to battle larger opponents, or he can use it to shield allies from attack. It was strong enough to push back an Eight-Tailed Killer B (whose brute strength is much greater than tsunade's), and also withstood a Tailed Beast Bomb


-- i hav already explained why that electricity attack of yours is just an assumption but even if i let you hold on to it do you
think she can generate enough electricity to stun the ocean like water body below ?

-- do you think she carries enough poison OR katsuyu can spit out enough acid to harm an OCEAN like body of
suigetsu ?


FOR ALL WE KNOW AFTER MERGING WITH THE OCEAN LET ALONE TSUNADE SUIGETSU CAN ERADICATE THE ENTIRE LAND OF WAVES
If Suigetsu is in a water state the whole time he cannot attack Tsunade.

Perhaps but the most canon source of all says that Tsunade turned her chakra into electricity. In furtherance of my point you claim 5 seconds, but you neither know how long she was gather chakra nor do you know how long it took the attack to occur. What we do know is that the charge left her body and went into his at over 360KM per hour that is over 223 mph do the math on that.

Being water still would not protect him for medical ninjutsu or poison for that matter.

As to what happens if he decides to merge with the water? Tsunade obviously jumps to incredible heights and as he was the first to change locations she could justifiably change locations as well, therefore a tactical retreat which forces Suigetsu onto mainland would be the counter to that.
If he should try the flooding the whole island argument, the problem becomes if he has enough chakra to manipulate that much water (that is enough to flood the entire land of waves).
Your arguments are easily refuted because you assume Tsunade will just stand by and look at Suigetsu.

So to sum it very quickly being in a liquified state doesn't protect his cells
-Manga calls it electricity
-You have no idea how long Tsunade prepared that attack, you're making assumptions there and it stands to reason if she can turn her chakra into electricity she can turn her chakra into electricity.
-Response to suigetsu merging with body of water is a tactical retreat.
-Suigetsu is likely to be blitzed on dry land as Katsuyu was able to protect most of the villagers and shinobi during the pein invasion translating to well over 5000 minis of herself. Confronted with such numbers blitzing would be a piece of cake.

Quite a few of your claims is a very drastic overestimation of Suigetsu's ability. And if Suigetsu were as powerful as you made him seem he would not have nearly peed his pants when Tobirama lifted a finger. Nor would he have been trying to get away from the 4 kage and Oro, Juugo, and Sasuke. If he could manipulate such large bodies of water and generate as much damage as you claim he would have been quite comfortable teaming up with Tobirama.

And if Suigetsu were to win it would be because of the drowning blob as a result of his hydrofication not his swordsmanship.
 

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If Suigetsu is in a water state the whole time he cannot attack Tsunade.
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he pushes her around with WATER RELEASE DEMON FISH or WAITS FOR HER TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE

Perhaps but the most canon source of all says that Tsunade turned her chakra into electricity. In furtherance of my point you claim 5 seconds, but you neither know how long she was gather chakra nor do you know how long it took the attack to occur. What we do know is that the charge left her body and went into his at over 360KM per hour that is over 223 mph do the math on that.
fine for now lets agree she can make electricity BUT all th electricity will just gets dispersed into the ocean thus nullifying its effect on suigetsu

Being water still would not protect him for medical ninjutsu or poison for that matter.
again he body is merged with the water --- a few ounces of poison however strong it may be will get nullified if poured into an ocean full of water


As to what happens if he decides to merge with the water? Tsunade obviously jumps to incredible heights and as he was the first to change locations she could justifiably change locations as well, therefore a tactical retreat which forces Suigetsu onto mainland would be the counter to that.
If he should try the flooding the whole island argument, the problem becomes if he has enough chakra to manipulate that much water (that is enough to flood the entire land of waves).
Your arguments are easily refuted because you assume Tsunade will just stand by and look at Suigetsu.
picturing the fight -- they are standing facing each other on the great naruto bridge when suigetsu jumps into the water below merging with it --
( considering tat the demon fish could hold back eight tails ) it would be a piece of cake to break the supporting pillars thus collapsing the bridge ....
which now gives tsunade only one stand = ON WATER

YOU SAID " Your arguments are easily refuted because you assume Tsunade will just stand by and look at Suigetsu. " could you please say what does tsunade do in this scenario other than stand and look at suigetsu

-Response to suigetsu merging with body of water is a tactical retreat.
yeah its a tactical retreat -- i dont remember manga stating a person who retreats to a favourable ground loses the fight

-Suigetsu is likely to be blitzed on dry land as Katsuyu was able to protect most of the villagers and shinobi during the pein invasion translating to well over 5000 minis of herself. Confronted with such numbers blitzing would be a piece of cake.
by time tsunade summons katsuyu suigetsu will already have jumped into the water​
 

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he pushes her around with WATER RELEASE DEMON FISH or WAITS FOR HER TO MAKE THE FIRST MOVE



fine for now lets agree she can make electricity BUT all th electricity will just gets dispersed into the ocean thus nullifying its effect on suigetsu



again he body is merged with the water --- a few ounces of poison however strong it may be will get nullified if poured into an ocean full of water




picturing the fight -- they are standing facing each other on the great naruto bridge when suigetsu jumps into the water below merging with it --
( considering tat the demon fish could hold back eight tails ) it would be a piece of cake to break the supporting pillars thus collapsing the bridge ....
which now gives tsunade only one stand = ON WATER

YOU SAID " Your arguments are easily refuted because you assume Tsunade will just stand by and look at Suigetsu. " could you please say what does tsunade do in this scenario other than stand and look at suigetsu


yeah its a tactical retreat -- i dont remember manga stating a person who retreats to a favourable ground loses the fight



by time tsunade summons katsuyu suigetsu will already have jumped into the water​
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The bridge is their offical battle area. Running away for such a distance would equal her surrender, as it's not Suigetsu's task to run after her.
Though that was obvious. U_U Above, the bridge itself is very long. To purposely run away, she has to realize her situation, and that will be the case after she will see Suigetsu rising with the water. That distance isn't reached anyway. I mean look what a distance you want Tsunade to travel, the small buildings and the lighthouse provide information about how big the area and how long the bridge actually are at this scale. Given the moment where she ran after Deva who was about to prepare Konohas destruction, the moment of realizing and act is way too short. Giving the great Naruto bridge as their place of fighting, it could actually be allowed to let them fight in the middle of it, and the bridge itself has a length about 1,7 kilometers. hnhn
 
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The bridge is their offical battle area. Running away for such a distance would equal her surrender, as it's not Suigetsu's task to run after her.
Though that was obvious. U_U Above, the bridge itself is very long. To purposely run away, she has to realize her situation, and that will be the case after she will see Suigetsu rising with the water. That distance isn't reached anyway. I mean look what a distance you want Tsunade to travel, the small buildings and the lighthouse provide information about how big the area and how long the bridge actually are at this scale. Given the moment where she ran after Deva who was about to prepare Konohas destruction, the moment of realizing and act is way too short. Giving the great Naruto bridge as their place of fighting, it could actually be allowed to let them fight in the middle of it, and the bridge itself has a length about 1,7 kilometers. hnhn
As to what happens if he decides to merge with the water? Tsunade obviously jumps to incredible heights and as he was the first to change locations she could justifiably change locations as well, therefore a tactical retreat which forces Suigetsu onto mainland would be the counter to that.
Which is why I clarified that he would be leaving the bridge first and thus by the leaving the bridge first to find a more suitable battle arena he'd be forfitting. And if he destroys the area in which they are supposed to be battling then there is no choice but to leave the battle area.
Now the reason I don't worry about whether Tsunade can in fact clear such a height is for the heights at which she has jumped for before, while I agree the Pein even should be taken into account we can forget other jumping feats that she has.


Right now what I want to highlight is the size of the summons. They are the size of tailed beasts. As I am not a fan of relative size comparison as that's often inconsistent in the manga and inconsistent based on which area we are looking from. So I wish to start the comparison with direct comparisons of size.
when Gamabunta is put directly next to the nine tails their size is very similar
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when Gamabunta is put next to Shukaku they are the roughly same size.
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Bunta's sword is nearly the same size as he is. So in this picture in this picture the blue line and the red line are the same size I simply changed the angle the blue line so that you can get a better comparison.
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Now notice in this picture that Manda's mouth is opened much wider than Gamabunta's body, and in turn Tsunade while holding Bunta's sword is much higher than Manda which then speaks to how high/far she can jump. Given the fact that Bunta is roughly the size of a Bijuu, and Manda's mouth is stretching to roughly 1.5 Bunta's size and Tsunade is above him with Bunta's sword which is betwen .6- .75 Bunta's size I would say she is higher in the air than 2 bijuus would be stacked together
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When we are dealing with heights/distances like that she should be able to get off the bridge quickly especially if she's not weighed down by Bunta's sword.

But as you said the bridge is the official battle area not water or the mainland, so such action need not be necessesary.
 
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The water around the bridge is part of the battlefield, Suigetsu isn't running away but uses the environment for is advantage. When Tsunade decides to run away by understanding her inferiority, Suigetsu has this one, unless you say it's about Suigetsu to follow her, while Suigetu was never meant to compete retreat by merely using the surroundings.

Tsunade's "ability" to reach incredible heights by jumping is a non factor, Ninjas are known for doing such tricks, whether it be jumping to such a height, flying around and do acrobatics. That is just a plot that doesn't go to be explained either, like people who summon big summons can just jump on their head, Orochimaru jumping from Mandas head and flying this large distance literally and Jiraiya jumping afterwards, before being smashed into the ground by Orochimaru with such a quickening. These are just plot passages to make certain situations smoother. Look at any fight of Tsunade, she is slow, her movements are predictable, where is she jumping at such a height to use their moves at her opponent? She could just have jumped towards Deva to kick his ass, but no, she merely ran as having the sense of what he's going to do. Maybe you explained how Tsunade is going to beat Suigetsu in that form and I missed that part in your wall of text, so I will ask concretely, how will she fight that even if she will effectively jump at eye level with him, while latter is inside of a huge water entity where Suigetsu hides in and wields Zabuza's sword, can still make himself untouchable with his liquefaction technique and has Suiton in his arsenal, alternative by using the sea beneath of them. Being inside the water entity, he physically rivaled a Biju, rather the second strongest in the ranking of Biju.
 
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