Stupid popular arguments: Tsunade is a terrible hokage because Konoha was destroyed

[Exaar]

Again, Itachi! Didn't Hiruzen specifically send Itachi to infiltrate the Akatsuki's ranks? He knew who they were and what they wanted but didn't deal with them.

Itachi did join yes but judging from jiraiya's knowledge Even if he did report back, he didn't report much. Otherwise Jiraiya would of spoke to kakashi without having to guess.

 

[Trollkage]

tsunade is the 3rd strongest hokage and the strongest sannin

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Itachi did join yes but judging from jiraiya's knowledge Even if he did report back, he didn't report much. Otherwise Jiraiya would of spoke to kakashi without having to guess.

The thing is, Jiraya didn't know about Itachi's allegiance. He didn't know he was a spy, so Jiraya's not a valid gauge.

tsunade is the 3rd strongest hokage and the strongest sannin

I might be defending her, but she's neither of these.

 

[Exaar]

The thing is, Jiraya didn't know about Itachi's allegiance. He didn't know he was a spy, so Jiraya's not a valid gauge.

If jiraiya knew about itachi or not. I would of thought hiruzen would of told him about the infomation without having to reveal itachi being a spy. Especially since jiraiya gathers infomation for the leaf.

I'm guessing hiruzen thought itachi joining the Akatsuki' was for shits and giggles if he isn't going to use the information itachi gave him, if any at all.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Kishimoto actually said that. There's your proof.

^that was really dumb. Kishi made danzo say tht because that is danzo's character...smh. How was Tsunade partially responsible for Nagato?

 

[heartpink123]

People say that Tsunade is this and that but they forget that she is an anime character (not reality) and that she was created and does what the mangaka wants. I could say the same to other characters.

 

[Ovan]

It's Danzo fault that Pain was created. Blame the home call on him.

 

[startup97]

No matter how much people put Hiruzen down in this thread, he was still respected at the Leaf's most beloved Hokage and did his best to avoid bloodshed during his long a** reign. Everyone loved the old man.

 

[Tazzilla88]

I find it interesting how people claim, Tsunade should have fought Pein when he started attacking the village. But they forget that considering the SA was made of 80 thousand soldiers from 6 lands that averages out to 13k shinobi who are chuunin rank and above. That doesn't even factor in the civillians who live within Konoha. Yet Tsunade was supposed to find 6 men among that many people with no indication of what they looked like, while having the information that they were being controlled and were not the threat themselves? Is that seriously the well formulated argument you wish to use?

Healing via Katsuyu while having her shinobi, shinobi of the strongest village in the world at that time, protect the village seems like the way to proceed. Then there was a kage level ninja who didn't even bother to help defend the village, and worked behind her back to undermine her plans in progress. Which certainly speaks towards Danzo's own idiocy as he was unaware that Pein could read minds and pick off Naruto from Mount Myobokou at any time he pleased after he crushed the leaf and Naruto would have no support in that fight. There is honestly, no scenario that could have ended better given the conditions Tsunade faced.

 

[dark legion]

she's partially responsible you know. ^^ the best reason so far

thnx man .

 

[shelke]

To stop a war. Offering one life is far far greater than going to war. Even so, it's a shinobi's job to give up their lives for the saftey of the village

What war? We all know this is a rubbish point without merit or weight. Konoha was reduced to a rubble, twice, and nothing happened. So this massacre for a greater good is full-on rubbish.

No merit to this point. They were the actual founders, FYI. If the founder has no right to control the village, then who does? The fact that they were cornered and driven out of their rightful place by Senju Sympathizers is what resulted in this. Had Hizuren actually given the rightful owners their right, none of this would have happened.

Actually, it's a fact. All his policies reflect it in a rather lucid manner. Fear or Jealously are born out of it.

Are you serious? Are you actuall7y throwing away the ethics in regards to being a parent? He sacrificed the entire future of his child to uphold his political values? That's disgusting.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

What war? We all know this is a rubbish point without merit or weight. Konoha was reduced to a rubble, twice, and nothing happened. So this massacre for a greater good is full-on rubbish.

No merit to this point. They were the actual founders, FYI. If the founder has no right to control the village, then who does? The fact that they were cornered and driven out of their rightful place by Senju Sympathizers is what resulted in this. Had Hizuren actually given the rightful owners their right, none of this would have happened.

Actually, it's a fact. All his policies reflect it in a rather lucid manner. Fear or Jealously are born out of it.

Are you serious? Are you actuall7y throwing away the ethics in regards to being a parent? He sacrificed the entire future of his child to uphold his political values? That's disgusting.

Actually, while you do have a point, that's not completely the case. He wasn't doing it for political reasons, he was doing it to protect the village itself. Jinchurikis are what balance the power of the nations. It would be like if America suddenly lost all nukes while Russia keeps them. If the leaf didn't have one, other villages would seize the opportunity and use their jinchuriki against the leaf without anything to stop them. We've seen it attempted twice. We've seen it happen with Rin and Garra. Jinchurikis will attack indiscriminately, meaning there would be a high to total civilian death toll. Imagine the attack from the hidden sand with Garra except there's no one of comparable power like Naruto to stop them. That would be a disaster and was Minato's fear. It wasn't so much political as defending the lives of the villagers.


I'd also like to add that Minato's last request was that Naruto be viewed as a hero, but Hiruzen threw that out the window. So Hiruzen's actually more responsible for Naruto's horrible childhood than Minato.

 

[shelke]

^ I was again venture that he was his son. Minato didn't seem bothered that his name was not added to Naruto's. Kinda odd.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

^ I was again venture that he was his son. Minato didn't seem bothered that his name was not added to Naruto's. Kinda odd.

Wasn't he dead by the time that decision was made by Hiruzen? I'm not entirely sure.