Stupid popular arguments: Tsunade is a terrible hokage because Konoha was destroyed

[Sennin of Logic]

The common slogan for Tsunade haters is "Tsunade failed to protect the village and let it get destroyed and had to rely on Naruto." Riiiiiight. You clearly haven't thought it through if you attribute that as why Tsunade is a bad hokage. Let me demonstrate why.


Who destroyed the village on Tsunade's watch? It was Pain. Who caused Nagato to become Pain? It was Danzo. Who let Danzo do as he pleased? It was Hiruzen.


Tsunade inherited the problem of Pain from Hiruzen, so it can't truly be called her fault.


In contrast to Hiruzen, Tsunade actually had the brains to keep Danzo in check. When Hiruzen was in charge, Danzo roamed free, which led to the creation of 3 villains. (Pain, Konan, and Kabuto) When Tsunade was in charge, whenever she suspected of Danzo trying something, she'd put him under surveillance and kept a short leash on him. She even stood up to the elders who came up with such brilliant policies such as the Uchiha massacre.


The simple fact is that the greatest fault people assign to Tsunade was actually the result of Hiruzen's blunder. Does anyone here actually think Hiruzen could last 2 seconds against Pain? At least Tsunade managed to save village lives via medical ninjutsu. Hiruzen has no such life-saving capabilities. If Hiruzen were hokage during Pain's invasion, the village would have been much, much worse off.


I'm not saying the opinion that Tsunade's a bad hokage is stupid, but the argument commonly used is. An opinion is an opinion, but this argument shows very little thought and just comes across as lazy.

 

[Kαmi]

I agree with everything you just said. Regardless if someone feels that Tsunade is a bad Hokage, this particular argument to accredit her being a bad Hokage is a bad one and really isn't a good excuse to claim she is a bad one.

 

[Unbiased]

The manga states she's partially responsible you know.

 

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OT: NO Tsunade is OK,, Hokage,,, not good

 

[Bantos]

The manga states she's partially responsible you know.

What, when the old hag said so? Just explain to me HOW exactly Tsunade was responsible. Wasn't it more Danzo's fault? I mean hiding underground with his anbu root and waiting for Tsunade and most of the village get killed.

 

[dark legion]

It's Hiruzen's fault , that as u say " Pein-nagato was created " But Is tsunade 's fault why they destroy Konoha ::: Hiruzen at least would have fought them ... and preventing them to destroy Konoha... and Tsunade strategy was so pathetic ... SHe waited till PEin used their techs. , killed half of shinobis , destroy Konoha, and after that she was planning for attacking

Hiruzen would have attacked Pein , in the first time he saw them ... as for who would win /lose is another matter ... in the end , Tsunade didn't won .. there were so many dead people... her actions were useless

 

[Unbiased]

What, when the old hag said so? Just explain to me HOW exactly Tsunade was responsible. Wasn't it more Danzo's fault? I mean hiding underground with his anbu root and waiting for Tsunade and most of the village get killed.

I'm confused when you say "What, When the old hag said so?" These characters aren't real. You act like they actually have thoughts of their own and kishimoto is just watching them from a distance writing what he sees. Get real kid, this is a story written by kishimoto, if he puts in Tsunade is partially responsible for the destruction of konoha, she's partially responsible. You should really learn to differentiate from fiction and reality.

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[Xāvî1]

It's Hiruzen's fault , that as u say " Pein-nagato was created " But Is tsunade 's fault why they destroy Konoha ::: Hiruzen at least would have fought them ... and preventing them to destroy Konoha... and Tsunade strategy was so pathetic ... SHe waited till PEin used their techs. , killed half of shinobis , destroy Konoha, and after that she was planning for attacking

Hiruzen would have attacked Pein , in the first time he saw them ... as for who would win /lose is another matter ... in the end , Tsunade didn't won .. there were so many dead people... her actions were useless

she's partially responsible you know. ^^ the best reason so far

 

[paratise]

People don't realise that a good deal of kages would not stand a chance against Pain in 1 vs 1, not only including Konoha also counting other villages. Tsunade did the best she could; she is primarily a medic.

And yeah Danzo thing was Hiruzen's burden.

 

[Exaar]

With this logic:
Who manipulated Pain/Nagato? It was Obito, Who was obito's teacher?, Madara.

How did nagato have the rinnegan in the first place?, Madara.

How did Madara give him the rinnegan?, Because hashirama failed to kill him.

So with this logic it's hashirama's/Madara's fault, Then we could go blaming their parents and go all the way back to the sages mother.

Seriously though, Tsunade was hokage and it's the hokages job to protect the village, Tsunade failed that job no matter who you chose to blame.

 

[Made in Heaven]

How many more times mist this be said?

 

[Kakashi Hatakeo]

I see what your saying but no hiruzen would have done better than tsunade to defend konoha against pain. Also her healing did jack squat if you consider the fact that pain brought everyone back to life via rinne tensei it kind of voids what she did but if he did not then what she did would have been great, currently she did an OK job of it. Let's not also forget that if it were any other hokage they would have tackled pain head on but tsunade did not she stayed waaaay back and for good reason pein is every strong.

 

[Bantos]

I'm confused when you say "What, When the old hag said so?" These characters aren't real. You act like they actually have thoughts of their own and kishimoto is just watching them from a distance writing what he sees. Get real kid, this is a story written by kishimoto, if he puts in Tsunade is partially responsible for the destruction of konoha, she's partially responsible. You should really learn to differentiate from fiction and reality.

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I was wrong. Danzo actually said that. He wanted to be hokage so of course he'd say so.
Just point something that makes the destruction even partially Tsunade's fault and I'll believe you if it's legitimate.

 

[Xāvî1]

People don't realise that a good deal of kages would not stand a chance against Pain in 1 vs 1, not only including Konoha also counting other villages. Tsunade did the best she could; she is primarily a medic.

And yeah Danzo thing was Hiruzen's burden.

Then why do you guys always put Sasuke above Pein/Nagato?

 

[Urda]

You people are crazy. :| You people sound like Danzou and being sexist. >.>

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She saved the people of the village is all that matters and not the village. The people come first. Blame all you want. It was her duty as Hokage. She might have been weaken to defeat Nagato/Pain but she did all she could to save the people.

And bullshit to someone calling her useless. She did what no other Hokage could have done in that situation to be honest. She was battling against the Rinnegan first of. Secondly, who knew Naruto would go to the extent to "turning" Nagato and him later reviving the people.

 

[-ahhimane-]

A Village is because of its people, not the other way or because of bricks and cement.
Tsunade protected the people hence the village. She's not a terrible Hokage when it comes to saving the people.

 

[Unbiased]

I was wrong. Danzo actually said that. He wanted to be hokage so of course he'd say so.
Just point something that makes the destruction even partially Tsunade's fault and I'll believe you if it's legitimate.

Kishimoto actually said that. There's your proof.

 

[Murasame]

I doubt Hiruzen, Tobirama, and Minato could've stopped the village from being destroyed from that Shinra Tensei.. heck Danzo was hiding lmao. I might not like Tsunade's fanbase but in this situation they are right.

 

[Bantos]

Kishimoto actually said that. There's your proof.

Oh God. Kishimoto actually makes his characters stay in character. Thus it makes perfect sense for Danzo find a way to blame Tsunade for Konoha's destruction.
Kishimoto said that Tsunade can't die in battle AND is unrivaled in hand to hand combat. We all know Tsunade can be killed even though she's very hard to kill.
Kishimoto said those things. :|

You just lack proof on your argument other than just Danzo's words. Only Hashirama would've been successful in beating Pain, with majority of the Konoha citizens dead.

 

[paratise]

Then why do you guys always put Sasuke above Pein/Nagato?

Dunno how this is relevant, but good deal of kages would not stand a chance against current Sasuke. Only Hashirama can beat him in 1 vs 1.