stupid kages

[King Kendrick]

Hashirama wasn't about to sacrifice himself. He took exception to Tobirama wanting to use that lower body as a sacrifice by saying "there must be another way". That speech bubble came from him. Hagoromo didn't start his dialogue until 2 panels after.

operative words:"to me". Meaning it's just you having an opinion, and not proving something that can absolutely be found in the manga.

so Madara breaking himself from the jutsu and saying "i can never be bound by such a jutsu" is absence of proof? Ok

in this case, you should have taken your own advice. It would've done you much better seeing as though you had to think of it before posting it.

probably because 3 of the four of them didn't know how to break it *facepalm*

only if the person under the jutsu is either too weak to break free, or doesn't know how to. Such a moronic question to ask *facepalm*

he didnt break from edo tensei , it was released . We where never shown that he was capable of breaking from edo tensei .

 

[Mr Hiru]

so Madara breaking himself from the jutsu and saying "i can never be bound by such a jutsu" is absence of proof? Ok

That's no proof at all, because you didn't prove that he broke from the jutsu before his soul attempted to go the pure world.

You're purposely ignoring the cause and effect on the context. With this attitude of yours, your "proof" can't be taken seriously as proof. It is a mere statement that lacks fundaments.

probably because 3 of the four of them didn't know how to break it *facepalm*

only if the person under the jutsu is either too weak to break free, or doesn't know how to. Such a moronic question to ask *facepalm*

Tobirama is the creator of this jutsu, he knew how to break from it, and he also was strong enough to break free from Orochimaru's jutsu, because Zetsu cells is composed by lesser cells of Hashirama. But it seems Orochimaru's restrain was too strong and Tobirama could not even move his fingers for this purpose... Also, you should take in mind that it was implied that Kabuto also had Hashirama's cells (when he healed Sasuke it became way too evident), meaning that Kabuto had the same amount of binding power as Orochimaru (if not more, due the quantity of Uzumaki DNA in his body).

Offtopic: I'd be glad to do a facepalm, but as a gentleman, I won't go down to imitate that cocky attitude.

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The user of Edo Tensei can restrain movements. Enough said.

 

[WalksInShadows]

Lol for real? That's your arguments? Then by that logic of yours why when Kabuto summoned all these dead shinobi, no one tried to kill him or even better why they kept fighting even if they had pointed on many occasions that they didn't want to do so? And in case you go by saying that he could just because he was stronger, do you think that he was stronger than all of them in total? Besides, don't forget that he could clearly control Nagato and tnagato is certainly stronger than him.

1. You need to learn reading comprehension because there was nowhere in any of my posts where i said Madara was collectively stronger than all 4 of those Hokage.

2. Where is this proof that Edo Nagato is stronger than Edo Madara when Madara was seen summoning a meteor that was vastly beyond anything Nagato was capable of producing, even in his undead form.

3. Knock yourself out and reply if you want, because i'm not going to bother debating someone whose opening argument is something as stupid as ET Nagato > ET Madara.

Madara might have been able to break the edo tensei but that happened once Kabuto released the seal. There is no guarantee that he would still be able to do it if Kabuto wasn't allowing him to do so. And after all, why he waited at that exact moment to do so? Had he been able to do it before, he wouldn't wait till that moment.

he didnt break from edo tensei , it was released . We where never shown that he was capable of breaking from edo tensei .

i refuse to answer the idiocy in these posts, primarily because my earlier ones already clarified my position on the matter. If you're looking for an answer, the aforementioned posts is the only one the both of you are getting.

That's no proof at all, because you didn't prove that he broke from the jutsu before his soul attempted to go the pure world.

You're purposely ignoring the cause and effect on the context. With this attitude of yours, your "proof" can't be taken seriously as proof. It is a mere statement that lacks fundaments.[/quote]i'm not even the least bit confounded by your reply, since this is coming from the same guy who needs proof that Indra's Susano'o had legs even when he was a confirmed PS user.

Tobirama is the creator of this jutsu, he knew how to break from it, and he also was strong enough to break free from Orochimaru's jutsu, because Zetsu cells is composed by lesser cells of Hashirama. But it seems Orochimaru's restrain was too strong and Tobirama could not even move his fingers for this purpose... Also, you should take in mind that it was implied that Kabuto also had Hashirama's cells (when he healed Sasuke it became way too evident), meaning that Kabuto had the same amount of binding power as Orochimaru (if not more, due the quantity of Uzumaki DNA in his body).

you know what i find interesting? You dismiss actual evidence as "statements that lacks fundamentals", but can't prove anything you claim and then introduce them as being proof. Kabuto didn't even imply anything of the sort that he had Hashirama's cells on him. If anything, he what he actually said was that studying Hashirama's cells is what drove him to pursue an expertise in medical ninjutsu.

Offtopic: I'd be glad to do a facepalm, but as a gentleman, I won't go down to imitate that cocky attitude.

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The user of Edo Tensei can restrain movements. Enough said.

1. I don't give a shake of a rat's anus what you want to do or not do.

2. See this is what you do best: you only show the part that fits what you're trying to argue and not the whole story. What you conveniently didn't want to show is that Hashirama proved one could break it if they knew how or were able to. None of this proved whatsoever that Madara was being controlled by Kabuto up to the jutsu being released. That's what you and anyone else arguing this is continually failing to show while trying to make me look the one that is conveniently leaving stuff out.

If you or anyone else can't accept Madara's sworn statement that he was perfectly capable of doing what he did at any point by saying one could do it if they knew the handseals, that's a you problem. A man once said don't argue with fools, so i am 1000% done humoring the amount of foolishness that i already have.

 

[Orochimagus]

I think the biggest proof is that Tobirama offered to summon Madara to begin with and Kishimoto ain't stupid.
You got four Hokages there, with Hashirama, Tobirama, and Hiruzen having all seen Edo Tensei before in action in the previous wars and no one brought up that it would be dangerous for Tobirama to do this. So I think Kishimoto and the Hokages understand this technique more than you.

So in addition to my "selective proof" there is Kishimoto and the Hokages all agreeing that there is no problem with this so I will logically conclude they could bring Madara to any degree of power they want. Tobirama strongly implied here that the danger of the technique lies in bringing the summoned at full strength which allows them to resist the technique.

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Good game.

 

[Mr Hiru]

i'm not even the least bit confounded by your reply, since this is coming from the same guy who needs proof that Indra's Susano'o had legs even when he was a confirmed PS user.

I took a little read until this point, and stopped.

I won't keep arguing with someone who uses fallacies to argue.

First you used ad ignorantiam to state something being true (Madara released himself from Kabuto's control because there is no proof stating the contrary - Clearly ad ignorantiam)

And now you discredit my answer alluding to the "possibility" of me being wrong once. Clearly an argument ad hominem.

...

Sorry, I'll put you in my ignore list.

"I don't need to listen to someone who mainly bases his arguments on fallacies, and has the behavior of a smart ass in the process".

 

[Byron123]

1. You need to learn reading comprehension because there was nowhere in any of my posts where i said Madara was collectively stronger than all 4 of those Hokage.

2. Where is this proof that Edo Nagato is stronger than Edo Madara when Madara was seen summoning a meteor that was vastly beyond anything Nagato was capable of producing, even in his undead form.

3. Knock yourself out and reply if you want, because i'm not going to bother debating someone whose opening argument is something as stupid as ET Nagato > ET Madara.



i refuse to answer the idiocy in these posts, primarily because my earlier ones already clarified my position on the matter. If you're looking for an answer, the aforementioned posts is the only one the both of you are getting.

Haha, this is just priceless. You think so high of yourself to the point of immediately judging one's argument by what you think they're saying and immediately calling it weak. Guess it's preety convenient that way isn't?

But let's talk on topic.

1) Did I even talk about the 4 hokages, did I compare them to Madara? So why you suggest that I did? What I'm saying is that you implied that Madara was never actually under Kabuto's control just because he's stronger than him and because of that he could break the contract whenever he wanted. Since, you agree that Madara isn't stronger than all the hokages together, then I guess that you also agree that he isn't stronger that the whole army of Kabuto. You based your argument of Madara breaking Kabuto's control on the former's power. However, if that's the case and it's that simple, then why didn't the whole army did the same in a collective effort?


2) And again, where did I state that nagato is stronger than Madara? What I said is that Nagato is stronger than Kabuto. Yet, we've clearly seen Kabuto being capable of controlling him perfectly. Your argument about Madara is based on your opinion that since he is stronger than Kabuto, then Kabuto could never actually control him and that's why he was capable of breaking the seal. However, in Nagato's case, Kabuto had full control over him even if the former was stronger than the latter and thus since another powerful shinobi as nagato, couldn't break Kabuto's control (not the contract itself), then so Madara wouldn't be able to do it.

3) That was just a misconception, by "him" I meant Kabuto not madara.

4) If it as such an easy thing for you to clarify it then I dare you to explain yourself. Kabuto's control is a perfectly logical explanation and Madara's choice to break the contract at that exact moment makes perfect sense since before he wouldn't have the chance because of Kabuto's control. Yet, you completely disregard this possibilty only because you don't like it.


At the end of the day you're just full of yourself, with no proper arguments. The only thing you provide is selective understanding of the manga by accepting only what you find fitting to your opinion and immediately disapproving others' by calling them idtiots. Well guess what, you're no better and you should learn some manners before you start a conversation with adults. I still haven't forgotten how you have also talked with such certainty about Kaguya not being the final villain and just like that time you were questioning my comprehensive skills before you shut it once Kaguya took Madara's body.

Instead of questioning others' skills, why don't you question yours for a change? This might help you to improve yourself overall, you need it.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Haha, this is just priceless. You think so high of yourself to the point of immediately judging one's argument by what you think they're saying and immediately calling it weak. Guess it's preety convenient that way isn't?

But let's talk on topic.

1) Did I even talk about the 4 hokages, did I compare them to Madara? So why you suggest that I did? What I'm saying is that you implied that Madara was never actually under Kabuto's control just because he's stronger than him and because of that he could break the contract whenever he wanted. Since, you agree that Madara isn't stronger than all the hokages together, then I guess that you also agree that he isn't stronger that the whole army of Kabuto. You based your argument of Madara breaking Kabuto's control on the former's power. However, if that's the case and it's that simple, then why didn't the whole army did the same in a collective effort?


2) And again, where did I state that nagato is stronger than Nagato? What I said is that Nagato is stronger than Kabuto. Yet, we've clearly seen Kabuto being capable of controlling him perfectly. Your argument about Madara is based on your opinion that since he is stronger than Kabuto, then Kabuto could never actually control him and that's why he was capable of breaking the seal. However, in Nagato's case, Kabuto had full control over him even if the former was stronger than the latter and thus since another powerful shinobi as nagato, couldn't break Kabuto's control, then so Madara wouldn't be able to do it.

3) That was just a misconception, by "him" I meant Kabuto not madara.

4) If it as such an easy thing for you to clarify it then I dare you to explain yourself. Kabuto's control is a perfectly logical explanation and Madara's choice to break the contract at that exact moment makes perfect sense since before he wouldn't have the chance because of Kabuto's control. Yet, you completely disregard this possibilty only because you don't like it.


At the end of the day you're just full of yourself, with no proper arguments. The only thing you provide is selective understanding of the manga by accepting only what you find fitting to your opinion and immediately disapproving others' by calling them idtiots. Well guess what, you're no better and you should learn some manners before you start a conversation with adults. I still haven't forgotten how you have also talked with such certainty about Kaguya not being the final villain and just like that time you were questioning my comprehensive skills before you shut it once Kaguya took Madara's body.

Instead of questioning others' skills, why don't you question yours for a change? This might help you to improve yourself overall, you need it.

Don't worry about him, my friend. He is already in my ignore list. I can perfectly deal with those of his kind... "ad hominem" is a fallacy instanced only by pathetic persons.

But thank you anyways. At least you're someone mature enough to talk as a true gentlemen.

 

[HouKage]

Working on assumptions. If Kabuto said he was giving Madara free will that is all we have to go for from the manga/Kishimoto. Nothing ever stated that Kabuto had no control over Madara but something stated he did.

Madara obviously didn't like Kabuto and count have just destroyed the Tsuchikage and broken from the contract then and there but he did not because "you've certainly prepared well".

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Right here Madara realizes Kabuto is out of commission so he's free to release the contract.

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And to drive the point even further, Madara stated that the body is only uncontrolled AFTER the summoning contract is undone. This means Kabuto had control of his beody before that.

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I would really like to see some manga evidence that Kabuto had no control over Madara.

Only thing I can say to that is. . . . Kabuto had to allow him control to make the seals
*IF* Kabuto had enforced control over him like he did Mu . . . how would he have been able to even make the seals?

 

[tasuxeda]

Tobirama is likely unable to resurrect Madara to virtually full strength after all he said Orochimaru had improved edo tensei's efficiency which resulted in the hokage being brought back at virtually full strength.

So Tobirama's edo tensei would likely only bring people back with a notable reduction in power at best.

If edo tensei's efficiency can be increase why can't its efficiency be decrease bringing Madara back at a small fraction of his full power to the point Tobirama is strong enough to bind Madara until he can be sealed away.

Besides were the hokage told Madara can break out of the edo tensei contract.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Tobirama's level of edo tensei is fodder tho, So Madara would be back at like 30% or less of his original strength. I think he would be a normal edo so he'd just have ems instead of the rinnegan.

 

[sLm]

Hashirama was about to sacrifice himself, but Hagaromo, showed up and basically said, "There's another way..." Does God and Moses/Issac from the Bible ring a bell in that scene?

Hashirama cannot sacrifice himself. He is a sacrifice, an Edo Tensei, he's not alive XD.

 

[Byron123]

Don't worry about him, my friend. He is already in my ignore list. I can perfectly deal with those of his kind... "ad hominem" is a fallacy instanced only by pathetic persons.

But thank you anyways. At least you're someone mature enough to talk as a true gentlemen.

Anytime, I just hate this kind of people who think they know something while the only thing they do is to make fun of your opinion.

 

[ad0]

If he is dead then and if they revie him and as soon as he is revied he with use the jutu to bring his self back to life at his full power

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Whatever version of Madara they revive the four kage will be able to obviously prevent him from releasing himself from the contract, he won't be able to pull that stunt off twice.

It'll be harder for him to find an opportunity to do the seals while the four kage will be watching him, the four of the strongest Leaf Hokage among are the fastest, strongest and so will have the abilities needed to prevent any type of attempt at "Freedom" for Madara though I don't think he would try anything like that I think not like Madara fans think he would do

 

[ad0]

Whatever version of Madara they revive the four kage will be able to obviously prevent him from releasing himself from the contract, he won't be able to pull that stunt off twice.

It'll be harder for him to find an opportunity to do the seals while the four kage will be watching him, the four of the strongest Leaf Hokage among are the fastest, strongest and so will have the abilities needed to prevent any type of attempt at "Freedom" for Madara though I don't think he would try anything like that I think not like Madara fans think he would do

You are not reading?

Harshira is the strongest out of the four and still he is no match for madara fusion with harshirama life force cells.
When madara was revied by kabuto he was far more powerful than harshirama full power

 

[UzumakiRyu]

You are not reading?

Harshira is the strongest out of the four and still he is no match for madara fusion with harshirama life force cells.
When madara was revied by kabuto he was far more powerful than harshirama full power

huh? don't say to someone to read something when you did not take your own advice but I'll remind you as I said Madara is fodder without Hashirama's cells without that he wouldn't of awakened Rinnegan

 

[KLhunter]

Madara didn't revive yet.. just wait what SOP want to say to Hashi 1st...

 

[Battle Neurosis]

You got a limited perception of things. Tobirama is free to bring Madara at any level of power he wants. Also, the only reason Madara escaped Kabuto's control is because he was caught in Izanami. There is no way Madara could release the contract with four Hokages around him.

If Madara had been revived, there is a great chance that Madara would have escaped from the seal that he would have been bound with!
Because as we saw Sasuke was also bound with Curse seal by Danzo!

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But he freed himself from the Bind of the Curse seal using the power of Susanoo which was still incomplete!

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So, I think getting rid of the seal of Edo Tensei with the force of Susanoo isn't too much of a hard thing for a revived Madara with Rinnegan!

 

[tracytracy22]

Tobirama's level of edo tensei is fodder tho, So Madara would be back at like 30% or less of his original strength. I think he would be a normal edo so he'd just have ems instead of the rinnegan.

Pretty much this + Tobirama can do what Orochimaru did back in part 1 and place a talisman in edo madara's head to wipe his personality so that he's completely under Tobirama's control.

Btw who is that in your avatar?

 

[Jericho Senju]

Btw who is that in your avatar?

lol, my age is showing.