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[Whiteknight]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

This thread, is in no way me saying Obito is defiantly Tobi, i'm just looking at possibilities right now on which characters could be Tobi, and providing theories on how its possible.

Everyone is saying that the timezone doesn't fit in with Obito's age for him to be Tobi, since we seen wrinkles on his face.

If you take a look at the short fight between Tobi and Torune, Tobi tore of his arm when he was poisoned, and it sort of came off with a gooey substance, very similar to Zetsu's body.

This leads to the fact that Tobi defiantly repairs himself with Zetsu, because he wouldn't have some random - Forbidden Style: Tear off Gooey Arm jutsu.

What i'm leading to, is that when Obito was crushed by the rock, his body was somehow found and repaired by Zetsu. I'm pretty sure Zetsu has this power because he can copy perfect bodies and chakra, So why wouldn't he be able to repair someones body?

Repairing bodies might not be as efficient as copying them with Zetsu, and a gooey substance is likely to wrinkle and fade as time passes, which explains the appearance of Obito being old and wrinkly.

Once again, there are countless facts that can disapprove this and facts that approve other characters, it won't matter in a couple of weeks anyway, Tobi will be revealed soon!

First off, it was a war. The Uchiha were very well known and respected warriors, so there were probably several Uchiha in the war. We know that Uchiha can and do die in wars. Obito was probably not the only Uchiha his age in that war. There were probably many other Uchiha there too. And several Uchiha probably died in that war as well.

So here's the question: Why, if Zetsu really needed to find an Uchiha body, did he pick a young, weak, half-crushed 2-tomoe Uchiha instead of any of the other bodies of dead Uchiha? Obito was probably the weakest Uchiha on the entire battlefield at that point. So why would Zetsu pick him of all people?

And further, where did Zetsu come from, if Zetsu created Tobi (instead, as the other theory goes, Tobi created Zetsu)?

 

[Kilian]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

This thread, is in no way me saying Obito is defiantly Tobi, i'm just looking at possibilities right now on which characters could be Tobi, and providing theories on how its possible.

Everyone is saying that the timezone doesn't fit in with Obito's age for him to be Tobi, since we seen wrinkles on his face.

If you take a look at the short fight between Tobi and Torune, Tobi tore of his arm when he was poisoned, and it sort of came off with a gooey substance, very similar to Zetsu's body.

This leads to the fact that Tobi defiantly repairs himself with Zetsu, because he wouldn't have some random - Forbidden Style: Tear off Gooey Arm jutsu.

What i'm leading to, is that when Obito was crushed by the rock, his body was somehow found and repaired by Zetsu. I'm pretty sure Zetsu has this power because he can copy perfect bodies and chakra, So why wouldn't he be able to repair someones body?

Repairing bodies might not be as efficient as copying them with Zetsu, and a gooey substance is likely to wrinkle and fade as time passes, which explains the appearance of Obito being old and wrinkly.

Once again, there are countless facts that can disapprove this and facts that approve other characters, it won't matter in a couple of weeks anyway, Tobi will be revealed soon!

Lets just stop this now.... seriously that doesn't even make sense if you have been paying attention to details. "Tobi" fought the 4th Hokage as a man not a kid. He would of had to be a kid at that time since he and Kakashi were the same age and on the same team. Tobi will be someone older than the 4th Hokage.

When you can explain the generation gap then you can come up with these crazy theories. As of right now Obito was too young to be Tobi by atleast 20 years.

 

[ksp]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

This leads to the fact that Tobi defiantly repairs himself with Zetsu, because he wouldn't have some random - Forbidden Style: Tear off Gooey Arm jutsu. <- lol

what about tobi's fight with minato, when naruto was born?
obito was disciple of minato so, how can this possible.
but still i think there is one indirect similarity and that is their names.
actualy tobi is a senju

 

[jorgelius]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

what we learn about tobi is that he was at close when kannabi bridge fight happen? he is definitely not obito but that newest chapter gives more to analyze i always thinked madara did create tobi with coal.. or izanagi whatever but this give me reason to believe he didn't born with sharingan.. and if tobi isn't created how the f''' is zetsu ?

 

[sLm]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

So your saying it was a 13 YEAR OLD Obito fighting the Fourth Hokage and having the ability to summon the Nine Tails?

Pretty sure the person who fought the 4th didn't look or sound like a 13 year old little boy.

Besides Tobi's personality is NOTHING like Obitos...

Obito would have no reason to do the things Tobi is doing... even if you want to talk about Rin and all that BS that happened with her... Obito is not someone who would go all batsh*t crazy over something like that.

It's QUITE obvious Kishi knows about all the Obito theorists out there and wants to play with their minds a little... why do you think so many hints were dropped that it might very well be Obito? Because it's NOT... it's just a curve ball.

I wish the Obito theories would stop lol. But hey... once Tobi is revealed the topic will finally be put to rest. CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT DAY.

Wasn't Haku at Naruto's age when he fought against Team 7?

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

Was there any need to be a disrespectful moron? This is an opinion and nothing more, you obviously didn't read the OP properly if your coming out with this bullshit.

First of all, learn to talk to other people.

Second of all, I'm saying this is a theory, nothing more. Obito could be many people, there are points that lead too and from Obito, the same with many other characters. Your just too proud to admit that its DEFIANTLY a possibility. If you read the f**king thread you would know that.

Thirdly, This theory is 100% plausible, because nothing was explained what happened to Obito after his death. Zetsu's body is made of a goo-like substance, which means it sort of melts and fades, Zetsu can copy perfect bodies and chakra, so it's very likely that his able to do the same on other people's bodys and repair them.

Don't be such a f**king douchebag and give me a respectful response, you've honestly pissed me off with your post. Because I explained everything you just insulted or talked about in the god damn thread.

I really am quite sick of the idiots on this base.



This is a theory explaining what would happen if Obito WAS Tobi, and how it could be possible. Not directly saying that he is defiantly Tobi and everyone else is wrong. Tobi can be anyone, and we will see who soon enough.

how about you go make yaself a hot cup of shut the fuq up bro...

listen...

my post was my opinion and nothing more so hop off my penis. you coming at my opinion for going in on someone elses opinion is hypocritical and just doesnt make sense. follow ya own advice buddy and let the guy defend his own opinion.

i read his post properly and interpretted as i saw fit. as stupid and wrong... my opinion. eat a penis..

first of all learn to talk to people properly, especially me..

second no Tobi cant be anybody. he himself said that he was nobody. no he cannot be Obito not even with the few new mangas that came out. its still an impropable, illogical, and a near impossibility. it just doesnt make sense story wise. it defeats the purpose that Obito served as a character. it destroys the story that is Naruto and destroys the credibility of Kishi as a writer...

3rd .... go google what "plausible" means... no it is not, nowhere near plausible. not at all and my last statement discredits the theory. if you read it and understood what i wrote you would understand.. nothing nothing in the manga proves what you or the OP said about Zetsus body. its all speculations and assumptions, figments of ya imaginations. the only factual thing you said based on the manga is that Zetsu can copy bodies to a t, chakra and body, he can make a perfect clone. that is all, a clone.

but Zetsu cannot copy memories or intelligence (as proven when he copied Neji and Sakura saw through the disguise). how do you explain Zetsu or Obito gaining the power and intelligence and intel and influence that Tobi has? are you telling me that Zetsu or Obito had enough power and intelligence to conquer the nine tails, infiltrate konoha, murder anbu ninjas, and even make Minato break a sweat during a fight. the same Obito that couldnt compare to Kakashis skills as a kid was able to compete with the 4th Hokage?

but let me go back to the assumptions and fairy tales you spew about Zetsu... Nothing in the manga has ever stated that Zetsu's body is goo like. We've seen it in a gooey state but we've seen that for Suigetsu as well. its more accurate to say Zetsu can transform his body to a gooey state. because if his body was just gooey all the time then Raikage wouldnt be able to break his neck now would he? no it doesnt melt nor fades, dumbass. Zetsu can copy perfect body and chakre but that doesnt mean he can do the same for others bodies and repair them. what he can do though is substitute body parts like he did for Tobi countless times but not repair. again, not repair but replace. we clearly see a color distinction on Tobis arm because part of it was replaced by Zetsus parts.

and i hope that it is all too apparent that this comment is "f*cking douchebag" appropriate for you. i am also sick of idiots on this site. if you still think its possible that Tobi is Obito then you need to quit life..

edit: didnt even know you were the OP so ignore some stuff i said but dont ignore the parts where i debunk your "possibilities" and "theory"

 

[boshans]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

These manga pages make me think its not Obito

First look how young Kakashi is here when Tobi faught the 4th, he is a lot shorter and smaller. Which would make Obito the same age.

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And right here when he said Do you hav ANY idea how long I've waited for this moment, I took that as a hint that he is really old and has been waiting for a long long time. And at this very moment its been what like 3-5 years since Obito died?

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And lastly the 4th was Obitos Sensei dont you think he would have somehow figured out it was Obito when they were talking and fought? I remember Obito being a good guy and dying to protect his friends I dont see him becoming this super villain like Tobi.

Actually it was like a year later that Tobi attacked Konoha with the Kyuubi. So Obito got crushed by the boulder, and a year later Tobi attacked Konoha. That right there means it is IMPOSSIBLE for Tobi to be Obito. First of all a year wouldn't be nearly enough time for him to gain 3 Tomoe Sharingan when he only had...what, 1 Tomoe in his right eye? Even if he did, there is no way he would gain that much skill to control the Kyuubi and fight with Minato without getting his ass completely owned. Not to mention that Tobi's body is that of an adult. Obito would look the same as Kakashi did, which was a youth, when the Kyuubi attacked. There is a CLEAR difference in Kishi's drawing style of adults and youths, even if the person is completely covered in clothes. You can clearly tell Tobi was an adult, Kakashi wasn't, so therefore Obito would not have been either.

All this evidence in my mind proves Tobi cannot be Obito at all. That is probably why some people think that the Tobi that attacked Konoha was a different Tobi from the current time. So that they can say the Tobi now is Obito and the one who attacked Konoha was someone else. Not even going to get into that, because that is obviously the stupidest thing I have ever heard.

Does anyone understand writing a story? Why do you think Kishi is giving subtle hints in the current chapters about Kakashi somehow knowing who Tobi is? Hints that would make you think that Tobi is Obito? He wants to create suspense, make you think that you know the answer to who Tobi is, then go ahead and reveal that Tobi is someone completely different. That is how to write a good story. The fact alone that he is giving hints and making you think that Tobi could be Obito, means that Tobi is NOT Obito.

 

[Dribbles]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

You also have to factor in the fact that Nagato is older than Obito and Kakashi. If Madara and Tobi gave Nagato his Rinnegan eyes, then he has to be old. Nagato is older than Kakashi and Obito and met Jaraiya before they were probably even born. It's been confirmed that the REAL Uchiha Madara knows Nagato personally. Obito can't be Tobi.

These manga pages make me think its not Obito

First look how young Kakashi is here when Tobi faught the 4th, he is a lot shorter and smaller. Which would make Obito the same age.

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And right here when he said Do you hav ANY idea how long I've waited for this moment, I took that as a hint that he is really old and has been waiting for a long long time. And at this very moment its been what like 3-5 years since Obito died?

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And lastly the 4th was Obitos Sensei dont you think he would have somehow figured out it was Obito when they were talking and fought? I remember Obito being a good guy and dying to protect his friends I dont see him becoming this super villain like Tobi.

First off, it was a war. The Uchiha were very well known and respected warriors, so there were probably several Uchiha in the war. We know that Uchiha can and do die in wars. Obito was probably not the only Uchiha his age in that war. There were probably many other Uchiha there too. And several Uchiha probably died in that war as well.

So here's the question: Why, if Zetsu really needed to find an Uchiha body, did he pick a young, weak, half-crushed 2-tomoe Uchiha instead of any of the other bodies of dead Uchiha? Obito was probably the weakest Uchiha on the entire battlefield at that point. So why would Zetsu pick him of all people?

And further, where did Zetsu come from, if Zetsu created Tobi (instead, as the other theory goes, Tobi created Zetsu)?

Lets just stop this now.... seriously that doesn't even make sense if you have been paying attention to details. "Tobi" fought the 4th Hokage as a man not a kid. He would of had to be a kid at that time since he and Kakashi were the same age and on the same team. Tobi will be someone older than the 4th Hokage.

When you can explain the generation gap then you can come up with these crazy theories. As of right now Obito was too young to be Tobi by atleast 20 years.

what about tobi's fight with minato, when naruto was born?
obito was disciple of minato so, how can this possible.
but still i think there is one indirect similarity and that is their names.
actualy tobi is a senju

what we learn about tobi is that he was at close when kannabi bridge fight happen? he is definitely not obito but that newest chapter gives more to analyze i always thinked madara did create tobi with coal.. or izanagi whatever but this give me reason to believe he didn't born with sharingan.. and if tobi isn't created how the f''' is zetsu ?

Wasn't Haku at Naruto's age when he fought against Team 7?

Oh my god.

Your all stupid.

READ the god damn thread properly before you post.

This is in NO way, me saying Obito is defiantly Tobi.

This is me, trying to give theories on something that counters him being Tobi, I'm not sitting here going fanboy crazy yelling at everyone this his Obito, it can be anyone.

This is me saying: This is a theory that disapproves a certain topic that negates Obito being Tobi, even though it CAN be a lot of other people.

Stop trying to prove me wrong that he isn't Obito, this is very likely that he isn't, but it's still just as likely. Wait 2-3 chapters and you will all have your answer

Moron twelve year olds.

how about you go make yaself a hot cup of shut the fuq up bro...

listen...

my post was my opinion and nothing more so hop off my penis. you coming at my opinion for going in on someone elses opinion is hypocritical and just doesnt make sense. follow ya own advice buddy and let the guy defend his own opinion. <-- LOL

i read his post properly and interpretted as i saw fit. as stupid and wrong... my opinion. eat a penis..

first of all learn to talk to people properly, especially me..

second no Tobi cant be anybody. he himself said that he was nobody. no he cannot be Obito not even with the few new mangas that came out. its still an impropable, illogical, and a near impossibility. it just doesnt make sense story wise. it defeats the purpose that Obito served as a character. it destroys the story that is Naruto and destroys the credibility of Kishi as a writer...

3rd .... go google what "plausible" means... no it is not, nowhere near plausible. not at all and my last statement discredits the theory. if you read it and understood what i wrote you would understand.. nothing nothing in the manga proves what you or the OP said about Zetsus body. its all speculations and assumptions, figments of ya imaginations. the only factual thing you said based on the manga is that Zetsu can copy bodies to a t, chakra and body, he can make a perfect clone. that is all, a clone.

but Zetsu cannot copy memories or intelligence (as proven when he copied Neji and Sakura saw through the disguise). how do you explain Zetsu or Obito gaining the power and intelligence and intel and influence that Tobi has? are you telling me that Zetsu or Obito had enough power and intelligence to conquer the nine tails, infiltrate konoha, murder anbu ninjas, and even make Minato break a sweat during a fight. the same Obito that couldnt compare to Kakashis skills as a kid was able to compete with the 4th Hokage?

but let me go back to the assumptions and fairy tales you spew about Zetsu... Nothing in the manga has ever stated that Zetsu's body is goo like. We've seen it in a gooey state but we've seen that for Suigetsu as well. its more accurate to say Zetsu can transform his body to a gooey state. because if his body was just gooey all the time then Raikage wouldnt be able to break his neck now would he? no it doesnt melt nor fades, dumbass. Zetsu can copy perfect body and chakre but that doesnt mean he can do the same for others bodies and repair them. what he can do though is substitute body parts like he did for Tobi countless times but not repair. again, not repair but replace. we clearly see a color distinction on Tobis arm because part of it was replaced by Zetsus parts.

and i hope that it is all too apparent that this comment is "f*cking douchebag" appropriate for you. i am also sick of idiots on this site. if you still think its possible that Tobi is Obito then you need to quit life..

edit: didnt even know you were the OP so ignore some stuff i said but dont ignore the parts where i debunk your "possibilities" and "theory"

Honestly how stupid can you get? You bashed on me for my opinion, called it 'stupid' and 'idiotic' and then try and put me down for lashing out for you for being a douche.

Go kill yourself, stupid child. I didn't even read your shitty post, the top was enough.

 

[Macho]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

What i'm leading to, is that when Obito was crushed by the rock, his body was somehow found and repaired by Zetsu. I'm pretty sure Zetsu has this power because he can copy perfect bodies and chakra, So why wouldn't he be able to repair someones body?

Repairing bodies might not be as efficient as copying them with Zetsu, and a gooey substance is likely to wrinkle and fade as time passes, which explains the appearance of Obito being old and wrinkly.

LOL lets look at your threads title "Disapproving Obito's Age Theory" my two manga pics are showing why i disagree and why ME and a lot of other people think he is a lot older then Obito would have been

And the quote above is clearly implying you think it CAN be Obito and we are explaining why he CANT.

 

[Oldspiceman]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

You know its the thread responses in this thread that makes me laugh at the pure arrogance and idiotic nature of a lot of members in the NB community. Read the OP people and just shut up. Most of these damn threads now are nothing more than Epeen flex sessions over a manga which can not be proven or disproven until kishi says otherwise. I really dont see a need to constantly attack each other over stupid things like this.

OT:Good job man. Im excited when kishi throws the bomb on all of us and finally reveals who tobi really is.

 

[StrifeMaccy]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

so tobi was like 15 when he set up akatsuki?

 

[MasterofJutsu]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

Zetsu obviously has the ability to take Obito's body to Tobi, maybe Tobi wasn't doing it alone.

I'm agree Tobi is helped by Zetsu in many occasions of his plan.

But well, I think Tobi is not Obito.

 

[MissShakra]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

the thing im wondering is...the zetzu can copy chakra exactly and make an exact replica of the body...my question about the whole zetzu/obito thing is even if zetzu did replicate his body only (not mind or soul or only taking the eye) how did obito turn into a adult essentially? To me, Tobi could certainly have Obitos eye (they already proved that about 99%) and he could have maybe Obito's cells and stuff, but i still dont quiet see how Obito could overall be Tobi. Not saying your thread says that, and your right, theres many hints proving and disproving many characters being Tobi! good thoery

 

[Just Enjoy This Shit]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

just cause you color it doesnt make it good.

you completely ignored the fact that tobi is an old man when he fights minato.
that 1 thing refutes all obito theories.

there is no manga, or logical counter to the trump of that fact.

speculate all you want, tobi is a no eyed or non uchiha that is only using the stolen sharingan of obito and all the other massacred uchiha.

 

[Imperius]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

14 year old makes minato think he's madara

 

[B00m]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

14 year old makes minato think he's madara

Wow. Love this. +rep

 

[Raikiri10]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

What people seem to be over looking is the fact that when Tobi was fighting Torune or Minato when it openly shows the white zetsu substance when he's injured all that could mean is Tobi has had Zetsu use that clone technique to replace him in those respective fights while he's either somewhere near by watching or off doing other sinister deeds.

When he confronts Sasuke and gets hit with Amaterasu - Zetsu clone of himself gets hit then the real Tobi shows up after the coast is clear

Fight against Minato - Gets injured on his arm but it's a Zetsu clone that's fighting but has copied Tobi's chakra so can use his techniques etc

Fight against Torune - Arms gets infected he pulls it off another instance where Zetsu is acting or a clone has temporarily replaced Tobi

Just another way of looking at it really.

 

[B00m]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

What people seem to be over looking is the fact that when Tobi was fighting Torune or Minato when it openly shows the white zetsu substance when he's injured all that could mean is Tobi has had Zetsu use that clone technique to replace him in those respective fights while he's either somewhere near by watching or off doing other sinister deeds.

When he confronts Sasuke and gets hit with Amaterasu - Zetsu clone of himself gets hit then the real Tobi shows up after the coast is clear

Fight against Minato - Gets injured on his arm but it's a Zetsu clone that's fighting but has copied Tobi's chakra so can use his techniques etc

Fight against Torune - Arms gets infected he pulls it off another instance where Zetsu is acting or a clone has temporarily replaced Tobi

Just another way of looking at it really.

Possible as far as I am concerned. According to the wiki Pain created doubles of Itachi and Kisame out of other peoples bodies so it's not too far fetched.

 

[Dribbles]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

This is me saying how he COULD be Obito, I don't want your opinion on how he couldn't be.

I don't believe his Obito, but i'm putting possibilities out there because it very well could be anyone. Stop commenting if your going to be a smartass.

 

[FizzyDrink]

Re: Disapproving Obito's Age Theory.

I haven't read the entire thread, I'm just here to prove to you that Tobi is not Obito, for another reason. Here's the deal.

Tobi gave Nagato the Rinnegan.

Obito is younger than Nagato.

Thus, Tobi can't be Obito. 100% backed by the manga.

Easy logic that anyone could figure out if they thought it through.

And if for some reason that doesn't do it for you, I have other reasons that would work as well.