SRA Neji VS Sakon/Ukon

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and that was just a small portion that was childs play. Ommiting the large area of chakra was taxing because he was fataly injured and he previously already used a shit load of chakra previously. Chakra and stamnina goes hand and hand, and if you have a huge hole in your body your stamina will suffer.

Besides, who said it has to be up 24/7? Omiting that large area of chakra is nigh instant as seen with Rotation's range. He can use the chakra field for a second then turn it off every single time. He kept it up with Kido because he had no idea where or when the attack would strike.

That scan doesn't show him "throwing" anything. Just dodging the kunai. If you're referring to the webs, they're twisted around him because of rotation.

People were amazed at how much chakra was coming off of kn0 naruto and Neji was releasing even more chakra than that. It has a larger AoE than rotation.

I never said he has to have it up constantly. I just said it's a lot of chakra to have to release.

 

[Draegod]

That scan doesn't show him "throwing" anything. Just dodging the kunai. If you're referring to the webs, they're twisted around him because of rotation.

People were amazed at how much chakra was coming off of kn0 naruto and Neji was releasing even more chakra than that. It has a larger AoE than rotation.

I never said he has to have it up constantly. I just said it's a lot of chakra to have to release.

Are you serious right now? lol Do I need to draw it out with bright colors? Do I need to show the anime? Do I need to post Kido cannonly stating his

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? His chakra literally wrapped around the kunai. It's in black and white.

 

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Are you serious right now? lol Do I need to draw it out with bright colors? Do I need to show the anime? Do I need to post Kido cannonly stating his

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? His chakra literally wrapped around the kunai. It's in black and white.

ctfu at bold but dude like I already said there's a difference between being able to alter the MOMENTUM and TRAJECTORY so that it slows down and misses slightly and Neji being able to have a kunai circle around him and be thrown back at Sakon/Ukon.

Like I said he's been able to alter its path, but hes never been able to "throw" something back at anyone.

Lol actually even if he could and the kunai bombs started to rotate around Neji, it would explode either behind his head or in front of his face. But like I said, he can't throw things back where they came from. He doesn't have Naruto's chakra arms.

 

[neosmith500]

Bold: I know that.

However this point is still true.

Look at the size of that explosion. That's going to either
a. Keep Neji rotating a long time
or
b. Keep neji running around and using a lot of stamina which would also deplete his reserves.

True , but ur point neglects two keen things in the match-up
1). Neji's immense speed and agility , able to dash 40 to 50+m while "fatally" wounded. All his speed feats which enable him to easily avoid the blast radius of that paper bomb can be provided if needed.

2). Neji's byakugan gives him the ability to see sakon prep paper bomb via insight , that's how neji develops strategies against the opponents attacks using the byakugans combination of x-ray vision + telescopic vision which also gives him an advantage and awareness against their KKG , extensive evidence for this can also be provided if needed.

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So with byakugan activated + his immense speed and agility neji easily counters sakons paper bombs , gets in CQC with chakra prepped for rotation (to prevent fusion ) , then easily dominates sakon/ukon in cqc who got bested by sharinganless sasuke , only dominating sasuke due to his KKG and CM superiority.

I don't think I need to get into detail how inferior this sasuke is in taijutsu compared to SRA Neji especially sharinganless , so neji easily gains the favourable position in CQC w/ chakra already prepped , then proceeds to time his rotation which as demonstrated against naruto and kido kaiten can be initiated nigh instantly and the effects can dealt even with a single left/right turn , as shown against kyubi amped naruto.

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He more than easily dominates them in CQC with literal neg diff and prevents all possible scenarios of merger from happening usin byakugan's insite to predict when they're attemping to break down body parts for merger and/or see the increase in chakra activity , this along with neji's chakra control granting him immunity to merger and their surprise punches/kicks while fused along with neji's keen reflexes and precise movements easily makes him the most comfortable person in this fight and im willing to go into heavy detail to prove this fact if needed.


After a successful rotation throw-back he swiftly kills them like he did CM2 kido who if u remember had golden jyuken repelling armour which he failed to initiate on time due to a literally "dead" neji's surprise "blitz" from well over 60m , despite having advanced visual acuity along with Senjutsu/CM enhancements.

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Neji's reflexes in CQC is immense , drastically superior to anything sakon/ukon has shown , neji was shown physically evading massive raining waves of attacks which were stated to be "more" in "numbers" than the waves he previously used kaiten to defend against , this feat right here is immense especially when taking into consideration him slapping away spiders while also avoiding webs.

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Even without CC chances of sakon/ukon touching even the inferior CE Neji is as slim as u get , the guy who literally ran through a army of naruto clones without getting "touched" at all.

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While we have the same sasuke who proved he can best sakon/ukon and possibly the whole S4 in pure CQC without the aid of KKG , CM , Ninjutsu or "sharingan " getting tagged nigh instantly by narutos clones while actually"utilizing" his sharingan and having to resort to ninjutsu , made worse when u consider the fact that naruto sent every single one of his clones to attack/grab neji unlike sasuke who would've gotten dogpilled and negged here if naruto employed the same tactic.

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SRA Neji can also attack them safely by expelling a large amount of chakra over his palms which can be expanded to great ranges as seen with him sending his chakra great distances to serve multiple needs in the kido fight along with techs like twin lion fist , kaiten etc.

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Chakra which can be molded into a long needle like shape while still covering certain body parts since he has literal full control of the location-wise expulsion of chakra from anywhere in his body an can do it constantly , chakra which can be altered to give range and attack their vitals and kill them without actually touching them in the traditional sense without touching him directly with his fingers bottom right.

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He can do this while simultaneously expeling chakra to defend from attacks launched from anywhere , as seen when neji concentrated chakra into his wounds from different areas as portrayed here but yet can still alter the chakra in his palms with CC , bottom right.

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So neji can effectively attack and defend against sakon/ukon at the same time usin ntn but CC and w/byakugan he predicts fusion.

Neji has mutiple ways he can handle/kill saok/ukon which is why I said u have much to cover earlier , because neji quite frankly "negs " him with zero difficulty as it stands , but I'm interested to hear ur counter because so far , merger ain't happening.

 

[The Arizen]

^Thread?

 

[Simbv]

^Thread?

Lol this thread isn't over.I virtually argued the same thing. If Curse won't agree with me then he won't agree with Neo either. But we'll see how this plays out.

 

[The Arizen]

Lol this thread isn't over.I virtually argued the same thing. If Curse won't agree with me then he won't agree with Neo either. But we'll see how this plays out.

Well actually neo kinda trapped him. For example curse noted the fact that they could merg with neji the moment he physically attacks them but neo debunks it by bringing in the fact that byakugan can see them breaking body parts down to merg along with being able to see the slightest of chakra-build.

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Also he brought a valid point about neji being able to avoid direct physical contact by extending his chakra while being able to simultaneously attack and defend usin his CC completed with other great points.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

The jirobo scan literally shows nejis view being "focused " on the area jirobo was last present , u can clearly see the point of view along with him seein through the smoke with the rocks where he dugged underground being clearly visible , his vision was focused on that area.

Jirobo was directly behind them , how do u explain neji seeing 360° yet somehow missed a fat wrestler standing directly behind him? And how do u explain kiba detecting him faster when he'd have to sniff the scent while neji would only need to see jirobo?

But whatever , u obviously can't be proven wrong against so called delusional fanboys and ur above scan with p2 neji expanding his vision to locate the tags only further cements my claims while urs are literally baseless.


Obviously the byakugan doesn't actively see in 360° and long range vision at all times the many a clearly illustrates this on numerous occasions.

Stated where? Because the manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees (or near it). No where does it mention that this field of vision can be shut off.

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Ordinary humans have nearly 180 degree vision. We can focus our eyesight at any point, but still see the near 180 degree through our peripheral. The same thing applies with the Hyuga, only they have nearly 360 degree vision.

The scan with Jirobi shows that Neji was focusing on a single point, but again, doesn't mean he can't still see the near 360 degree peripheral. And that is not how it occurred. When Kiba sniffed out Jirobo's location, he was still underground, not standing behind them above the surface. But you're right, whatever. Not like it matters to me whether you can agree or not. The Hyuga being outdone in anything would be blasphemous. God forbid that ever happens.

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by focusing her vision in a single direction, Hinata can see across vast distances, reaching as far away as 20 kilometres

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Kakashi tells Hinata to look in a certain direction, she activates Byakugan and does so, not in all directions, that single direction.
If this doesn't prove my case or atleast challenge your claim. Then you sir have an obvious bias going on.

And this is relevant, how? That shows how Hinata is able to look over a vast distance, by focusing in. That doesn't mean she can't still see out of her peripheral. Look at the scans above in the spoiler. The manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees, and covers up to a 50m radius. Jirobo never left the field of Neji's 360 degree vision.

And than we have these scans that flew right over your head.

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This is not hard to comprehend. Neji expanded his 360 degree field of vision up to 800 meters! Notice his actual eyes and head are facing in one single direction the entire time, yet he was able to pinpoint and focus his vision anywhere within that 360 degree field of vision. He literally spotted and pinpointed all of the tags in all sorts of directions, despite his head and eyes only facing one way. This means that he is actively using his 360 degree vision, but can focus in on anything within this field of vision. Do you understand? It doesn't just shut off, just because they're focusing in one single point. As I said to Neosmith, anyone can focus their vision at one single point, but still see out of their peripheral.

lol No. NEJI'S BYAKUGAN IN PART 2 Found 5 hand sized tags all at once with on 500 meters of each other.

Hiashi's Byakugan Tracked something that was moving faster than anything ever shown in th emanga bar "Night Guy/dragon"

It all depends on the user and there level. And the feats of neji and Hiashi Joinin far exceed anything Kiba has ever shown.

In terms of locating a specific person? NO. Kiba and ninja hounds are what they were relying on. Not the Byakugan.

 

[Simbv]

Stated where? Because the manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees (or near it). No where does it mention that this field of vision can be shut off.

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Ordinary humans have nearly 180 degree vision. We can focus our eyesight at any point, but still see the near 180 degree through our peripheral. The same thing applies with the Hyuga, only they have nearly 360 degree vision.

The scan with Jirobi shows that Neji was focusing on a single point, but again, doesn't mean he can't still see the near 360 degree peripheral. And that is not how it occurred. When Kiba sniffed out Jirobo's location, he was still underground, not standing behind them above the surface. But you're right, whatever. Not like it matters to me whether you can agree or not. The Hyuga being outdone in anything would be blasphemous. God forbid that ever happens.



And this is relevant, how? That shows how Hinata is able to look over a vast distance, by focusing in. That doesn't mean she can't still see out of her peripheral. Look at the scans above in the spoiler. The manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees, and covers up to a 50m radius. Jirobo never left the field of Neji's 360 degree vision.

And than we have these scans that flew right over your head.

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This is not hard to comprehend. Neji expanded his 360 degree field of vision up to 800 meters! Notice his actual eyes and head are facing in one single direction the entire time, yet he was able to pinpoint and focus his vision anywhere within that 360 degree field of vision. He literally spotted and pinpointed all of the tags in all sorts of directions, despite his head and eyes only facing one way. This means that he is actively using his 360 degree vision, but can focus in on anything within this field of vision. Do you understand? It doesn't just shut off, just because they're focusing in one single point. As I said to Neosmith, anyone can focus their vision at one single point, but still see out of their peripheral.



In terms of locating a specific person? NO. Kiba and ninja hounds are what they were relying on. Not the Byakugan.

The scan didn't fly over my head because you used it out of context. Neji was searching for the seals to be broken for the Akatsuki cave, why would he focus on one single point? Use some logic. The scan I provided shows Hinata focusing in one direction for Itachi. Nothing you say can disapprove that.

Like I said before regarding the Kiba thing, The nin-dogs already had a starting scent to track Sasuke with. Without it they would have fared no better than Hinata looking for Sasuke. You know this and you already agreed earlier.


I'll leave the discussion at that.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

The scan didn't fly over my head because you used it out of context. Neji was searching for the seals to be broken for the Akatsuki cave, why would he focus on one single point? Use some logic. The scan I provided shows Hinata focusing in one direction for Itachi. Nothing you say can disapprove that.

Like I said before regarding the Kiba thing, The nin-dogs already had a starting scent to track Sasuke with. Without it they would have fared no better than Hinata looking for Sasuke. You know this and you already agreed earlier.


I'll leave the discussion at that.

Not even going to waist my time simplifying it even more so that you can comprehend. Agree to disagree then, I already knew it was pointless.

 

[Draegod]

Stated where? Because the manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees (or near it). No where does it mention that this field of vision can be shut off.

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Ordinary humans have nearly 180 degree vision. We can focus our eyesight at any point, but still see the near 180 degree through our peripheral. The same thing applies with the Hyuga, only they have nearly 360 degree vision.

The scan with Jirobi shows that Neji was focusing on a single point, but again, doesn't mean he can't still see the near 360 degree peripheral. And that is not how it occurred. When Kiba sniffed out Jirobo's location, he was still underground, not standing behind them above the surface. But you're right, whatever. Not like it matters to me whether you can agree or not. The Hyuga being outdone in anything would be blasphemous. God forbid that ever happens.



And this is relevant, how? That shows how Hinata is able to look over a vast distance, by focusing in. That doesn't mean she can't still see out of her peripheral. Look at the scans above in the spoiler. The manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees, and covers up to a 50m radius. Jirobo never left the field of Neji's 360 degree vision.

And than we have these scans that flew right over your head.

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This is not hard to comprehend. Neji expanded his 360 degree field of vision up to 800 meters! Notice his actual eyes and head are facing in one single direction the entire time, yet he was able to pinpoint and focus his vision anywhere within that 360 degree field of vision. He literally spotted and pinpointed all of the tags in all sorts of directions, despite his head and eyes only facing one way. This means that he is actively using his 360 degree vision, but can focus in on anything within this field of vision. Do you understand? It doesn't just shut off, just because they're focusing in one single point. As I said to Neosmith, anyone can focus their vision at one single point, but still see out of their peripheral.



In terms of locating a specific person? NO. Kiba and ninja hounds are what they were relying on. Not the Byakugan.

You clearly do not know how the Byakugan works bro. It can either focus or expand Vision. If focused it see's greater distances, if expanded it see's wider. Just like a Human can focus or see wide vision.

No, Neji was not present and Hinata's level of Byakugan isnt the same as nejis. Neji cannonly found 5 hand sized papers instantly with no knowledge on what they looked like or how they were located! Finding nigh instantly Hand sized papers>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finding Humans! This is common life fact that no one should argue. lmao Please tell me you are not sersious implying finding humans out weigh this feat. lol

 

[neosmith500]

Stated where? Because the manga specifically states that Neji's field of vision is 360 degrees (or near it). No where does it mention that this field of vision can be shut off. .

You clearly do not know how the Byakugan works bro. It can either focus or expand Vision. If focused it see's greater distances, if expanded it see's wider. Just like a Human can focus or see wide vision.

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This is neji utilizing expanded vison to see everything (

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This is when he clearly isn't using expanded vision since he thought he had won.

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Just concede to the fact that neji simply wasn't utilizing exapned vision in jirobos case , its cleary shown to the reader by nejis pov , how could kiba detect jirobo first when byakugan can track these many targets simultaneously yet canyt track jirobo?

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Gets no simpler than that bro.

 

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Dregod, the tag example is faulty when the byakugan sees chakra. It's a matter of following the chakra.

 

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^That , with manga scans to prove it.

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This is neji utilizing expanded vison to see everything (

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This is when he clearly isn't using expanded vision since he thought he had won.

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Just concede to the fact that neji simply wasn't utilizing exapned vision in jirobos case , its cleary shown to the reader by nejis pov , how could kiba detect jirobo first when byakugan can track these many targets simultaneously yet canyt track jirobo?

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Gets no simpler than that bro.

On top of that I added the scan of Hinata focusing in one directio., He has nothing to back his claim up but speculation. He obviously has a bias since he can't seem to think logically or counter the points you presented.

 

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So with byakugan activated + his immense speed and agility neji easily counters sakons paper bombs , gets in CQC with chakra prepped for rotation (to prevent fusion ) , then easily dominates sakon/ukon in cqc who got bested by sharinganless sasuke , only dominating sasuke due to his KKG and CM superiority.

Bold never, EVER happened. Sakon/ukon SHIT on Sasuke.
He caught Sasuke's kick and punch.

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He caught the second kick and the second punch

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And sent his ass flying 10-15 meters away into the tree.

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As I already showed, he survived every hit of Sasuke's Lion combo that sent him through the balcony all the way to the ground below. To Sasuke's surprise Sakon/Ukon took no damage at all.

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And lol at you for saying he only beat sharinganless Sasuke (underlined) he whooped the hell out of a 2T AND CM1 Sasuke!

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So no, sharinganless Sasuke didn't manage to best Sakon/Ukon. Sakon/ukon bested 2T CM1 Sasuke.

I don't think I need to get into detail how inferior this sasuke is in taijutsu compared to SRA Neji especially sharinganless , so neji easily gains the favourable position in CQC w/ chakra already prepped , then proceeds to time his rotation which as demonstrated against naruto and kido kaiten can be initiated nigh instantly and the effects can dealt even with a single left/right turn , as shown against kyubi amped naruto.

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I already showed that he dominated 2T CM1 Sasuke.
Bold: Rotation is a defensive technique anyways.

He more than easily dominates them in CQC with literal neg diff and prevents all possible scenarios of merger from happening usin byakugan's insite to predict when they're attemping to break down body parts for merger and/or see the increase in chakra activity , this along with neji's chakra control granting him immunity to merger and their surprise punches/kicks while fused along with neji's keen reflexes and precise movements easily makes him the most comfortable person in this fight and im willing to go into heavy detail to prove this fact if needed.

Bold: No. If he hits them, it happens so quickly that he can't do anything to stop it.

After a successful rotation throw-back he swiftly kills them like he did CM2 kido who if u remember had golden jyuken repelling armour which he failed to initiate on time due to a literally "dead" neji's surprise "blitz" from well over 60m , despite having advanced visual acuity along with Senjutsu/CM enhancements.

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No. He never hits them with rotation because they never need to take the offensive like that.

Neji's reflexes in CQC is immense , drastically superior to anything sakon/ukon has shown , neji was shown physically evading massive raining waves of attacks which were stated to be "more" in "numbers" than the waves he previously used kaiten to defend against , this feat right here is immense especially when taking into consideration him slapping away spiders while also avoiding webs.

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True, he has good CQC.

Even without CC chances of sakon/ukon touching even the inferior CE Neji is as slim as u get , the guy who literally ran through a army of naruto clones without getting "touched" at all.

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Again from the very beginning I've been arguing that they take the defensive route anyways. I agree that they're not gonna try and charge him like they would someone else.

While we have the same sasuke who proved he can best sakon/ukon and possibly the whole S4 in pure CQC without the aid of KKG , CM , Ninjutsu or "sharingan " getting tagged nigh instantly by narutos clones while actually"utilizing" his sharingan and having to resort to ninjutsu , made worse when u consider the fact that naruto sent every single one of his clones to attack/grab neji unlike sasuke who would've gotten dogpilled and negged here if naruto employed the same tactic.

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Bold is so totally false. I proved it wrong already above. The fact that you said "without CM or sharingan" is laughable because as I showed he got flattened by Sakon/Ukon ALONE. While using CM1 AND sharingan!

SRA Neji can also attack them safely by expelling a large amount of chakra over his palms which can be expanded to great ranges as seen with him sending his chakra great distances to serve multiple needs in the kido fight along with techs like twin lion fist , kaiten etc.

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That scan is Neji hitting the ground with his chakra.
Bold: he doesn't have at this point and I don't think he ever learns it anyways

Chakra which can be molded into a long needle like shape while still covering certain body parts since he has literal full control of the location-wise expulsion of chakra from anywhere in his body an can do it constantly , chakra which can be altered to give range and attack their vitals and kill them without actually touching them in the traditional sense without touching him directly with his fingers bottom right.

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Cutting a single chakra web is nothing like going through skin, flesh, muscle, and bones to hit internal organs.
Neji's never shown that against a person, because the way that the Byakugan works is attacking through 64 palms. Closing chakra points.

He can do this while simultaneously expeling chakra to defend from attacks launched from anywhere , as seen when neji concentrated chakra into his wounds from different areas as portrayed here but yet can still alter the chakra in his palms with CC , bottom right.

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No. He cannot do that simultaneously. He cannot use more than one tech at a time and was never shown to be able to do anything like that.

So neji can effectively attack and defend against sakon/ukon at the same time usin ntn but CC and w/byakugan he predicts fusion.

Bold no he cannot.
Again, he doesn't have the speed or ability to stop the fusion in the scenario I gave.

Neji has mutiple ways he can handle/kill saok/ukon which is why I said u have much to cover earlier , because neji quite frankly "negs " him with zero difficulty as it stands , but I'm interested to hear ur counter because so far , merger ain't happening.

The fanfiction with Sasuke smh.
Also you were countering arguments I never made.
I never said Sakon/Ukon would take the offensive in CQC not sure why you were arguing against that.
Neji doesn't neg anything.
Sakon/Ukon still merge with and kill him.

 

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Question. Will neji dispersing the charka points all over his body like he did with kidomaru's web harm sakon/ ukon if their already fused with him? Im leaning towards neji anyway. But I just gotta know.

 

[neosmith500]

Bold never, EVER happened. Sakon/ukon SHIT on Sasuke.
He caught Sasuke's kick and punch.

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He caught the second kick and the second punch

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And sent his ass flying 10-15 meters away into the tree.

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As I already showed, he survived every hit of Sasuke's Lion combo that sent him through the balcony all the way to the ground below. To Sasuke's surprise Sakon/Ukon took no damage at all.

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And lol at you for saying he only beat sharinganless Sasuke (underlined) he whooped the hell out of a 2T AND CM1 Sasuke!

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So no, sharinganless Sasuke didn't manage to best Sakon/Ukon. Sakon/ukon bested 2T CM1 Sasuke.


I already showed that he dominated 2T CM1 Sasuke.
Bold: Rotation is a defensive technique anyways..

Dude! , that was sasuke bating them , that's how he fights , he successfully gained the upper hand without sharingan and would've sent them flying with the last punch literally in the second scan u provided, if not for their "KkG" usin ukon to surprise attack him from within sakon sasuke would've nailed him solid , which is why sasuke wondered where the attack came from , its also why sakon was unhurt , we already kno than ukon can block hits from anywhere within sakon , sasuke couldn't see shit so his hits were blocked, this is the only reason he got dominated , fact.
In terms of pure CQC skill , sharinganless sasuke was shown to be above sakon who only dominated him due to his KkG and CM , since sasuke cant see where the attacks are coming from , fact.

-Kaiten bein a defensive tech doesn't mean it cant be used to take the initiative , it can be started nigh instantly and chakra can be constantly prepped until he wants to rotate.

Bold: No. If he hits them, it happens so quickly that he can't do anything to stop it..

No I already proved that neji can see/predict and stop this by rushing them with chakra already prepped for kaiten and with byakugan he see all he needs to see.

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No. He never hits them with rotation because they never need to take the offensive like that..

True, he has good CQC.



They don't need to take the offensive , neji just needs to enter CQC with chakra already prepped.

Again from the very beginning I've been arguing that they take the defensive route anyways. I agree that they're not gonna try and charge him like they would someone else.



Bold is so totally false. I proved it wrong already above. The fact that you said "without CM or sharingan" is laughable because as I showed he got flattened by Sakon/Ukon ALONE. While using CM1 AND sharingan!.

Already handled both these points , sakon/ukon only gained the upper-hand using their Kkg to wtf-pound sasuke since "he cant see where the attacks are coming from " literally the perfect counter to him , then we have them being more experienced and adept usin CM.

They take the defensive route and neji can bate them into attacking him or attempting to merg since they'd be in CQC then with byakugan and chakra already prepped he easily bates them into a nigh instant kaiten.

That scan is Neji hitting the ground with his chakra.
Bold: he doesn't have at this point and I don't think he ever learns it anyways.

Neji is in mid-air dude , he uses the chakra to shift in mid-air look closely.
-I only used them to show that they can extend their chakra , we having neji extending his chakra soley into his blindspot along with him alterting the chakra in more complex ways , with more range too , like the chakra-field , etc.

Cutting a single chakra web is nothing like going through skin, flesh, muscle, and bones to hit internal organs.
Neji's never shown that against a person, because the way that the Byakugan works is attacking through 64 palms. Closing chakra points. ..

No, even sending a tiny bit of chakra through a string sent into the mouth was able to damage multiple organs , no reason why chakra in the shape of a blade/needle cant pass through the body same as chakra bein channeled into the body..

No. He cannot do that simultaneously. He cannot use more than one tech at a time and was never shown to be able to do anything like that. ..

hes not using more than one , hes not usin any tech for that matter, simply expelling chakra from different areas simultaneously.

Bold no he cannot.
Again, he doesn't have the speed or ability to stop the fusion in the scenario I gave..

The scenario u gave is not the scenario in which neji would handle this since he obviously has intel , merger as with all techs use chakra especially since he needs CM2 to break down and merg with a host neji would see this and assume fusion which is why I said he initiates CQC with 'chakra already prepped".
2) Byakugan can see directly inside sakons body and predict when they're attempting to merg.

The fanfiction with Sasuke smh.
Also you were countering arguments I never made.
I never said Sakon/Ukon would take the offensive in CQC not sure why you were arguing against that.
Neji doesn't neg anything.
Sakon/Ukon still merge with and kill him.

Already addressed the sasuke bit , show scans of sakon/ukon dominating sharinganless sasuke without using their Kkg or CM , ill wait.

-Nope neji initiates cqc with chakra already prepped then proceeds to gain the upper-hand followed by kaiten which can be started nigh instantly , he then kills them easily.
Merger never happends with chakra already prepped.

 

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Dude! , that was sasuke bating them , that's how he fights , he successfully gained the upper hand without sharingan and would've sent them flying with the last punch literally in the second scan u provided, if not for their "KkG" usin ukon to surprise attack him from within sakon sasuke would've nailed him solid , which is why sasuke wondered where the attack came from , its also why sakon was unhurt , we already kno than ukon can block hits from anywhere within sakon , sasuke couldn't see shit so his hits were blocked, this is the only reason he got dominated , fact.
In terms of pure CQC skill , sharinganless sasuke was shown to be above sakon who only dominated him due to his KkG and CM , since sasuke cant see where the attacks are coming from , fact.

-Kaiten bein a defensive tech doesn't mean it cant be used to take the initiative , it can be started nigh instantly and chakra can be constantly prepped until he wants to rotate.

What? Sasuke was not getting baited. He was getting manhandled.

Bold: Firstly, he caught all of Sasuke's attacks without using his KKG. Secondly, obviously their KKG helped them get the upper hand but it's not like it's restricted here so that doesn't help you at all.
The point still stands that you said Sharinganless Sasuke dominated him so either
a.) you lied
or
b.) you definitely didn't read the manga pages you were talking about.

He wrecked Sasuke EVEN AFTER Sasuke experienced the KKG! Sasuke had it used against him, activated 2T sharingan AND CS1.

His speed, reflexes/reactions, and precog were all increased. He already experienced the tech. Still got whooped.

Underlined: That doesn't make sense. Taking the initiative would be attacking in this case.

No I already proved that neji can see/predict and stop this by rushing them with chakra already prepped for kaiten and with byakugan he see all he needs to see.

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Already handled both these points , sakon/ukon only gained the upper-hand using their Kkg to wtf-pound sasuke since "he cant see where the attacks are coming from " literally the perfect counter to him , then we have them being more experienced and adept usin CM.
They take the defensive route and neji can bate them into attacking him or attempting to merg since they'd be in CQC then with byakugan and chakra already prepped he easily bates them into a nigh instant kaiten.

I've been over this so many times. Neji, if he wants to attack and kill them, he needs to use 64 palms. Fact.
While using 64 palms he can't use any other techniques. Fact.
That is when they merge with him.

We're arguing them out of character, Neji can't bait them into doing anything. I said they take the defensive so that's what you have to counter.

Neji is in mid-air dude , he uses the chakra to shift in mid-air look closely.
-I only used them to show that they can extend their chakra , we having neji extending his chakra soley into his blindspot along with him alterting the chakra in more complex ways , with more range too , like the chakra-field , etc.

bold: true, but not as an attack.

No, even sending a tiny bit of chakra through a string sent into the mouth was able to damage multiple organs , no reason why chakra in the shape of a blade/needle cant pass through the body same as chakra bein channeled into the body..

It was channeled to Kido's inner organs because that's where the web was coming from. Inside Kidomaru.
What you're describing is chakra scalpel. Neji cannot do that.

hes not using more than one , hes not usin any tech for that matter, simply expelling chakra from different areas simultaneously.

Yes he is. That's called body blow.

The scenario u gave is not the scenario in which neji would handle this since he obviously has intel , merger as with all techs use chakra especially since he needs CM2 to break down and merg with a host neji would see this and assume fusion which is why I said he initiates CQC with 'chakra already prepped".
2) Byakugan can see directly inside sakons body and predict when they're attempting to merg.

They're using CM2 from the moment Neji goes in to attack.

Bold: Byakugan can't predict anything. Neji might be able to infer something himself, but AGAIN.
At point black range, Neji won't be able to do anything about it.

Already addressed the sasuke bit , show scans of sakon/ukon dominating sharinganless sasuke without using their Kkg or CM , ill wait.

-Nope neji initiates cqc with chakra already prepped then proceeds to gain the upper-hand followed by kaiten which can be started nigh instantly , he then kills them easily.
Merger never happends with chakra already prepped.

bold: lmao what??? That doesn't even make sense because their KKG isn't restricted here. So that makes no difference.
The point here is that you lied and said that base sasuke destroyed him.
1. that never happened
2. They destroyed 2T CM2 Sasuke who had already experienced their technique and had heightened speed, reflexes/reactions, and precog.

Points you have to counter:

1. Neji's not using rotation. Because they're not going to attack him in CQC.
2. If Neji wants to kill them, he has to use 64 palms.
3. He can't use anything else at the same time that he uses 64 palms.
4. Neji doesn't have the speed/reflexes to react to being merged with at point blank range.
5. You lied about the Sasuke fight
6. It doesn't matter that their KKG let them beat Sasuke. It's a part of their arsenal.

Question. Will neji dispersing the charka points all over his body like he did with kidomaru's web harm sakon/ ukon if their already fused with him? Im leaning towards neji anyway. But I just gotta know.

No. Because it doesn't hit Neji's own body. If they're sharing his body, it wouldn't hit them either.

 

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Tbh, this a great vs thread with interesting points. I'm not done reading through but I feel like this post needs immediate addressing. If it's already been addressed in later pages, my apologies.

Don't see why it wouldn't. They heavily depended on Kibas nose, despite Hinata being on the squad when searching for Sasuke.

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1. This is the scan before the one above:

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Hinata's byakugan clearly isn't activated.

2. Even if it were activated, we're not sure if Sasuke would have been in her range of vision(because iirc, Sasuke had been retrieved and taken into a town?) as we all know Byakugan has a limit to the distance it can see.

Edit: Kiba found Tobi faster then Hinata did.

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Again, proof that Hinata's byakugan isn't activated previously is given. Byakugan is activated with a yell of 'Byakugan' as is shown above. We also have to take into account Kiba's sense of smell is automatic and can't be turned off. If anything, this scam proves the Byakugan's speed in locating targets as despite Kiba's speed and knowledge of where Tobi was, it took Hinata only seconds after Byakugan was activated to find Tobi before Kiba could even land an attack.

The Byakugan can be used to focus on specific locations and can also be used to view expansively. I'll post scans if I see they haven't been posted in later pages.

OT: I believe this is an interesting match up and I think Neji takes this. If CM2 is needed for merging, Neji would see the chakra being used.
Also add the fact that Neji mostly doesn't always attack first and 64 palms can be executed in mere seconds(as shown in vs Kidomaru) I do not see merging happening here.

 

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What? Sasuke was not getting baited. He was getting manhandled.

Bold: Firstly, he caught all of Sasuke's attacks without using his KKG. Secondly, obviously their KKG helped them get the upper hand but it's not like it's restricted here so that doesn't help you at all.
The point still stands that you said Sharinganless Sasuke dominated him so either
a.) you lied
or
b.) you definitely didn't read the manga pages you were talking about.

He wrecked Sasuke EVEN AFTER Sasuke experienced the KKG! Sasuke had it used against him, activated 2T sharingan AND CS1.
His speed, reflexes/reactions, and precog were all increased. He already experienced the tech. Still got whooped.

Bold: My point from the start was that SRA neji is exponentially more skilled and equipped for CQC compared to sharinganless sasuke who literally proved he can best sakon in pure cqc , no kkg or other abilities involved.


Dude at the very least try to work with me here , sasuke was the one baiting sakon with his cqc attacks , forcing him to block all his lesser attacks until he had no more alternatives to use and block sasukes final punch , its sasukes style and it worked.

The manga clearly shows shringanless sasuke about to school sakon on multiple occasions in cqc if he never resorted to his kkg which OBVIOUSLY , as u said , gave him the upper-hand against a freaken sharinganless sasuke, check the middle left panel

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bold2: Cm1 sakon/ukon dominating 2t cm1 sasuke is irrelevant since;
A) 2t CM Sasuke still cant see where ukons attacks are coming from , fact.
B)Sakon/ukon were also usin the CM which they were obviously stronger with and more adept than sasuke who haven't even taken the CM2 awakening pill yet.

So yea , sakon/ukon 'needed' to resort to their kkg in order to dominate sasuke in pure cqc , doesn't matter if its not restricted since that's not even my point.

Underlined: That doesn't make sense. Taking the initiative would be attacking in this case.

Which he can do with kaiten , I already explained how.

I've been over this so many times. Neji, if he wants to attack and kill them, he needs to use 64 palms. Fact.
While using 64 palms he can't use any other techniques. Fact.
That is when they merge with him.

We're arguing them out of character, Neji can't bait them into doing anything. I said they take the defensive so that's what you have to counter.

Nope manga disagrees , neji can kill or seriously injure them while simultaneously crippling their movement/reaction with a single strike same as he did cm2 kido with the string shot.
Don't bring 64 palms into this unless I mentioned it myself.

-Which is why I said neji would rush them with chakra already prepped for kaiten , neji can still move around and attack sakon/ukon even with chakra bein expelled from his body and we seen that kaiten can be started nigh instantly with a single turn to the left/right without needin full constant revolution as demonstrated in the naruto fight.

-Also look at the range SRA neji's kaiten carries ,

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-That atop its speed of execution in close quarters would leave no possible escape for sakon/ukon after neji dominates them in cqc.

bold: true, but not as an attack.

My point still stands.

It was channeled to Kido's inner organs because that's where the web was coming from. Inside Kidomaru.
What you're describing is chakra scalpel. Neji cannot do that.

Fair enough.

Yes he is. That's called body blow.

Nope , take a look at the bottom right of this scan then reread my point , don't u even kno wat body blow does??

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They're using CM2 from the moment Neji goes in to attack.



Bold: Byakugan can't predict anything. Neji might be able to infer something himself, but AGAIN.
At point black range, Neji won't be able to do anything about it.

Neji cloaks himself with his chakra shroud then uses his byakugan to either:
A)See Sakon/ukons chakra activity increase to which he'd assume fusion. (beforehand)
B) Literally see them break down their body for the merging procees , all while neji's safely covered in his chakra shroud to prevent it from happening to him? (beforehand)

bold: lmao what??? That doesn't even make sense because their KKG isn't restricted here. So that makes no difference.
The point here is that you lied and said that base sasuke destroyed him.
1. that never happened
2. They destroyed 2T CM2 Sasuke who had already experienced their technique and had heightened speed, reflexes/reactions, and precog.

Points you have to counter:

1. Neji's not using rotation. Because they're not going to attack him in CQC.
2. If Neji wants to kill them, he has to use 64 palms.
3. He can't use anything else at the same time that he uses 64 palms.
4. Neji doesn't have the speed/reflexes to react to being merged with at point blank range.
5. You lied about the Sasuke fight
6. It doesn't matter that their KKG let them beat Sasuke. It's a part of their arsenal.

So wat if it isn't restricted here? , that was never even the point , its literally useless against neji's byakugan unlike in sasukes case , my point is tha neji>>>that sasuke in cqc.

-Also I never lied , if not for their kkg and cm sasuke would've schooled them without his cm or sharingan , get a judge in here so we can have a third party evaluation this point because this is getting ridiculous. Sharinganless sasuke clearly had the edge on sakon , the only reason he survived lion combo and appeared unhurt was due to ukon , fact , just like in this instance.

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Sasuke already experiencing their tech means ntn if "he literally cant see where da fck the attacks are coming from" dude , come on are u forgetting that they also used cm against sasuke and that they're cm>>>>sasukes at the time?
So heightened speed, reflexes/reactions, and precog meant ntn to sakons kkg and cm ability , fact.

Without taking into account kkg , shringan and ninjutsu , sasuke literally destroyed him , lion combo would've neged him if not for ukon blockin the blows and sasuke woulve again gained the upper-hand usin his cqc skills if not for ukon attacking him to which sasuke comments , " where did that attack come from?!".


Bold:
[*]Already addressed how neji cloaks himself in chakra then proceeds to enter cqc with sakon.


[*]Already addressed that neji wont use and doesn't need to use 64p , where is this 64 palm shit coming from anyway.


[*]He can control his chakra in multiple areas while still usin jyuken , fact I can get scans if needed , stop mentioning 64 palms while quoting me unless I bring it up myself.



[*]Neji reacts to raining waves of spiders , webs and kunai coming from every possible angle simultaneously , point-blank without getting so much as a web caught in his hair , yet cant react to merger even with byakugan givin him the heads up?? not to mention u keep ignoring my point about him coating himself in chakra before and while engaging them in cqc which makes merger null and void anyway.

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With byakugan and chakra control merger aint happeing , the best speed feat the cm2 merger has is catching a weakened and fatiqued kiba after twin wolf, who had his attention set on akamaru who just took a direct punch to the face for him , ukon chose then to merg with him , literally no reason why it would be the same with a fresh sra neji who outclasses the heck out of fresh kiba much less a weakened , distracted and fatiqued kiba , literally none.



[*]I never lied about shit , read the manga.


[*]Never said it mattered as that was never my point , sharinganless sasuke>>>>>> sakon without ukon in cqc , that was my point bro.



Points u need to counter:

1)Neji cloaking himself with chakra beforehand (to prevent fusion) then proceeds to encage with and dominate sakon in cqc usin his vastly superior skills and ability , as u said sakon/ukon are playing the defensive and are waiting for neji to attack them to initiate fusin , so neji attacks them while covered in chakra , then with his superior cqc skills he gains the edge and proceeds to blast them away via kaiten then kills them.

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2) Neji's byakugan gives him the awareness advantage here , how is sakon/ukon goin to fuse with him if he see's chakra activity which surely is a part of the merging process along with literally bein able to see the break-down inside their bodies , especially since he has intel? aint happening.

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3) Sakon/ukon cant maintain CM2 for long periods of time and since its a fact that he needs CM2 to merg with others along with him playing the defensive in this match plus the fact that neji has byakugan and intel , he can also simply outlast their CM2 duration with ease while pressuring them.