SRA Neji VS Sakon/Ukon

[Curse Mark]

I came with proof and all you said was "they do merge".
YOU never countered my post about him using his chakra to expel them out of his system either. But that wont happen because. 1.....2.....3...... They don't merge
This is at a stand still and is getting nowhere so ill now stop replying.

You mean you'll stop replying because you're taking this L


You had no proof at all. I'm the one who said that he can't use body blow at the same time as 64 palms and the only thing you've said since then is "they do merge". How would he use chakra to expel them when they share the same body? When chakra comes out from Neji's body, it would go outwards. Not inwards to his own body. So neji just keeps releasing his chakra into the air while his hands are being held at his sides and his heart is being broken down.

I'll judge if you still need a third dude to do so.

I would love to judge, no bias here.

Walls of text welcomed, just make sure to get your point across.

Ill judge

You boys wanna read this and let him know he can take his L now?

 

[neosmith500]

The merging process in itself is really fast , ukon was able to merg with kiba while in mid-air right after knockin akamaru for a loop , which completely shifted kiba's focus away from him and towards wounded bff and while ukon was already marked by akamaru's piss , with how close ukon was to kiba along with the distraction of seein akamaru take a brutal punch for him along with the fatigue and weakness from the prior twin garuuga we can deduce that this was done at the ut-most opportune of times and can't be used to safely conclude that a fresh neji would fall prey to the same tactic w/byakugan.

Also its baseless to assume that sakon/ukon can freely focus they're chakra for merg while being attacked or from being attacked by a deadly blow when a little bit of dying chakra sent through a string did this to CM2 kido.

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So if sakons victory depends on him merging "after " taking a direct hit from neji , then it becomes a problem for him , especially since this merg most certainly has to involve chakra and buildup which neji sees.

So yea all in all curse brings some good points about the speed of the merger but yet still has areas to cover.

 

[Simbv]

You mean you'll stop replying because you're taking this L


You had no proof at all. I'm the one who said that he can't use body blow at the same time as 64 palms and the only thing you've said since then is "they do merge". How would he use chakra to expel them when they share the same body? When chakra comes out from Neji's body, it would go outwards. Not inwards to his own body. So neji just keeps releasing his chakra into the air while his hands are being held at his sides and his heart is being broken down.

Not sure if dumb or.......... Expel means to force or drive out, why would he push chakra out inwards if he's forcing them outwards? Thats how Body Blow is done.

PLease call them, you sir are a buffoon.

 

[Curse Mark]

The merging process in itself is really fast , ukon was able to merg with kiba while in mid-air right after knockin akamaru for a loop , which completely shifted kiba's focus away from him and towards wounded bff and while ukon was already marked by akamaru's piss , with how close ukon was to kiba along with the distraction of seein akamaru take a brutal punch for him along with the fatigue and weakness from the prior twin garuuga we can deduce that this was done at the ut-most opportune of times and can't be used to safely conclude that a fresh neji would fall prey to the same tactic.

Also its baseless to assume that sakon/ukon can freely focus they're chakra for merg while being attacked or from being attacked by a deadly blow when a little bit of dying chakra sent through a string did this to CM2 kido.

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So if sakons victory depends on him merg "after " taking a direct hit from neji then it becomes a problem for him , especially since this merg most certainly has to involve chakra and buildup which neji sees.

So yea all in all curse brings some good points about the speed of the merger but yet still has areas to cover.

The blow Neji gave him was very different than having one chakra point closed. They break themselves down on a cellular level, so as Neji touches him, they merge. They don't let him close their chakra points.

Part 1 Hinata was able to keep fighting until Neji damaged all her internal organs.
Sakon/Ukon were able to survive Sasuke's lion combo that sent him flying through the balcony to several floors below.

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Sasuke said "Wha.. why? I landed every blow of my attack... ...Yet this guy seems to be unhurt..."
Their durability is really high, having one chakra point closed will have no effect.

And while they're merged they can heal from that damage anyways.

 

[Claymantan]

The merging process in itself is really fast , ukon was able to merg with kiba while in mid-air right after knockin akamaru for a loop , which completely shifted kiba's focus away from him and towards wounded bff and while ukon was already marked by akamaru's piss , with how close ukon was to kiba along with the distraction of seein akamaru take a brutal punch for him along with the fatigue and weakness from the prior twin garuuga we can deduce that this was done at the ut-most opportune of times and can't be used to safely conclude that a fresh neji would fall prey to the same tactic w/byakugan.

Basically this

Curse brought better points and counters, so I'd give him the victory.

That said, yeah, there's still more ground to cover, and based on where things got so far, I'm not convinced either way about who would actually win. The problem is that the actual mechanics of how Ukon/Sakon's merge works are super hazy. Maybe Neji can counter after merge. But merge definitely happens. Out of character they should just start decomposing Neji immediately, though.

 

[Simbv]

The blow Neji gave him was very different than having one chakra point closed. They break themselves down on a cellular level, so as Neji touches him, they merge. They don't let him close their chakra points.

Part 1 Hinata was able to keep fighting until Neji damaged all her internal organs.
Sakon/Ukon were able to survive Sasuke's lion combo that sent him flying through the balcony to several floors below.

Sasuke said "Wha.. why? I landed every blow of my attack... ...Yet this guy seems to be unhurt..."
Their durability is really high, having one chakra point closed will have no effect.

And while they're merged they can heal from that damage anyways.

He did this in one hit.

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Besides, attacks focused towards your insides are different from your outsides because you can't defend from them, as noted by Kakashi. That being said, i still see him expelling them after they merge.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Neji's vision may be > Kiba's smell and even that's arguable but it's not so much better that he would notice something that Kiba genuinely had no idea was happening.

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[Claymantan]

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**** Kishimoto this scan makes zero sense

Naruto doesn't even believe it

 

[neosmith500]

I'll reply INA minute , gtg.

 

[Curse Mark]

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Lmao yes. I wonder if this carries over to part 2?

**** Kishimoto this scan makes zero sense

Naruto doesn't even believe it

Naruto doesnt believe the size of the rock lol.

 

[NarutoX28]

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Wow, nice, I didn't even notice this.

Now we know that Kiba's sense of smell was on par with Byakugan's detection, not to mention that Kiba's sense of smell was amplified by the urine sprinkled on Sakon/Ukon.

 

[Curse Mark]

Wow, nice, I didn't even notice this.

Now we know that Kiba's sense of smell was on par with Byakugan's detection, not to mention that Kiba's sense of smell was amplified by the urine sprinkled on Sakon/Ukon.

Kiba's sense of smell was ahead of Neji's byakugan in that scan, but exactly.

And now that we can say for sure that they get merged by point still stands.

They catch his hands and kill him.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kiba's sense of smell was ahead of Neji's byakugan in that scan, but exactly.

And now that we can say for sure that they get merged by point still stands.

They catch his hands and kill him.

Yeah, it was.

I guess merging is inevitable here. The question is how the fight continues from there.

 

[Curse Mark]

Yeah, it was.

I guess merging is inevitable here. The question is how the fight continues from there.

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I already proved they merge and you couldn't counter it.

You do realize that the reason he couldn't stop kiba was because he was only using one hand to stop him?
When they're both merged, they have four hands to use.

What part of my points rely on speculation? This is coming from the kid who's main argument is "they don't merge" but you have no proof, no argument, no anything.

So neji just keeps releasing his chakra into the air while his hands are being held at his sides and his heart is being broken down.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Lmao yes. I wonder if this carries over to part 2?

Don't see why it wouldn't. They heavily depended on Kibas nose, despite Hinata being on the squad when searching for Sasuke.

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Edit: Kiba found Tobi faster then Hinata did.

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[neosmith500]

**** Kishimoto this scan makes zero sense

Naruto doesn't even believe it

Acutally , it makes perfect sense when u come to truly understand the byakugan , with this bein another instance to prove my points in another thread, heres one of my previous quotes

Let me spoon feed u a bit of info , the byakugan does not always actively see in 360 at all times , the vision of the user can also be focused elsewhere as we've seen here , neji was focused on wat he thought was the real naruto and despite having the ability to see 360 up to 50m , he somehow missed two naruto clones weren't even coming from half that distance and surely they didn't hide both hide inside his blindspot.

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Again when saukra struck kaguya a from above along with it bein dircely shown here to prove my case , immediately after performing kaiten , neji had to expand his 360 vison to map the incoming kunai with the visons zone bein perfectly illustrated to the reader by kishi.

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In jirobos case his vison was focused on jirobo not on seein around himself which is why he was never saw him before kibas nose.

The blow Neji gave him was very different than having one chakra point closed. They break themselves down on a cellular level, so as Neji touches him, they merge. They don't let him close their chakra points.

Part 1 Hinata was able to keep fighting until Neji damaged all her internal organs.
Sakon/Ukon were able to survive Sasuke's lion combo that sent him flying through the balcony to several floors below.


Sasuke said "Wha.. why? I landed every blow of my attack... ...Yet this guy seems to be unhurt..."
Their durability is really high, having one chakra point closed will have no effect.

And while they're merged they can heal from that damage anyways.

Very true , but we can also deduce that the merger requires chakra build-up within the body correct? and do they have to de-fuse before mergin with a host? , since we already know that they need cm2 in order to merg with a separate host and since neji has full intel the moment he senses chakra activity or sees irregular movement within sakon/ukon he would assume that they're attempting to merg which would cause him to not be jumpy and risk contact.

From then on its possible that neji would deduce that catching sakon/ukon offguard then killing them would be his best , neji can then engage in cqc with them , use his high tier reflexes plus already prepped chakra wall to time , usin his byakugan to see activity followed by the moment they try to initiate physical contact then time his kaiten which would blast them away followed neji dashing to them and killing them.

But that's assuming that they're sharing the same body in the first place , while separate it becomes harder for neji but still possible to win only with tweaked tactics.

great thread tho , im loving it .. lets just keep it civil and progressive.

 

[Curse Mark]

Don't see why it wouldn't.

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They heavily depended on Kibas nose, despite Hinata being on the squad when searching for Sasuke. Kiba found Tobi faster then Hinata did.

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Both the byakugan and Kiba's nose have increased, how much is the only question.

Acutally , it makes perfect sense when u come to truly understand the byakugan , with this bein another instance to prove my points in another thread, heres one of my previous quotes



that's that.




Very true , but we can also deduce that the merger requires chakra build-up within the body correct? and do they have to de-fuse before mergin with a host? , since we already know that they need cm2 in order to merg with a separate host and since neji has full intel the moment he senses chakra activity or sees irregular movement within sakon/ukon he would assume that they're attempting to merg which would cause him to not be jumpy and risk contact.

From then on its possible that neji would deduce that catching sakon/ukon offguard then killing them would be his best , neji can then engage in cqc with them , use his high tier reflexes plus already prepped chakra wall to time , usin his byakugan to see activity followed by the moment they try to initiate physical contact then time his kaiten which would blast them away followed neji dashing to them and killing them.

But that's assuming that they're sharing the same body in the first place , while separate it becomes harder for neji but still possible to win only with tweaked tactics.

great thread tho , im loving it .. lets just keep it civil and progressive.

We have no idea whether or not their KKG uses chakra. I don't know. I would assume it would once they merge with someone else in CS2 but i doubt it in base with just themselves entering and leaving the body.

 

[neosmith500]

Both the byakugan and Kiba's nose have increased, how much is the only question.




We have no idea whether or not their KKG uses chakra. I don't know. I would assume it would once they merge with someone else in CS2 but i doubt it in base with just themselves entering and leaving the body.

Ok , since we both assume it would use chakra build-up to fuse with a foreign host and since cm2 is needed for them to break down and merg with the host along with neji having full intel then its almost clear that he would opt to avoid direct physical contact but would instead do so in a moment of great opportunity.

What if it takes chakra in initiate the fusion process even in base , but the fact that they are literally two bodies fused , it combines they're reserves so that while one is busy bein in control , the other is always rested so chakra drainage from the kkg would be unnoticeable anyway.

 

[Curse Mark]

Ok , since we both assume it would use chakra build-up to fuse with a foreign host and since cm2 is needed for them to break down and merg with the host along with neji having full intel then its almost clear that he would opt to avoid direct physical contact but would instead do so in a moment of great opportunity.

He would need to hit them at some point and considering that's his only real attack he would have no options whereas Sakon/Ukon has paper bombs, kunais, traps, etc. to keep neji pressured. Not to mention taijutsu strong enough to destroy boulders. Probably on par with part 1 Base Guy.

 

[neosmith500]

He would need to hit them at some point and considering that's his only real attack he would have no options whereas Sakon/Ukon has paper bombs, kunais, traps, etc. to keep neji pressured. Not to mention taijutsu strong enough to destroy boulders. Probably on par with part 1 Base Guy.

True but paper bombs , traps , etc wont work or be much of a factor with neji's byakugan , kido was the most suited for that job because of his style while sakon/ukons ability skill fits heavily more towards the cqc type and if neji gets to blasts them away with kaiten it gives him a clear opening for the kill.

-We cant really take physical feats like that all too serious tho because we have akamaru surviving a direct punch from cm2 ukon while heavily weakened after twin lion and in puppy stage along with kiba taking multiple punches/hits . Then we have neji bein unfazed after getting fell on by kidos giant spider along with him palming kidomaru through a tree with gentle fist , him directly clashing with kyubi amped naruto ina physical clash , then we hav him regularly kickin lees ass who casually rips out giant roots out the ground , etc......