I also wondered why Senjugenes are needed for a technique of the Uchihas. Yeah it's clearly a technique of the Uchiha because they use it with the Sharingan. But it doesn't mean that Senjugenes aren't needed. It can also be a technique of the Sharingan which can only be unlocked in the case you gain Senjugenes. Tobi by himself said, Uchiha and Senju, this is Izanagi. Just like the Rikudo Sennin used Yin ang Yang to form things and give them life. And only because Izanagi and Izanami are a pair it can't be said for sure that you don't need Senju DNA for Izanagi because the Izanami doesn't need them.
Spoiler: Izanagi and Izanami DO NOT need senju dna
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Blaze Release
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We obviously arent sure, but also when did people start taking tobi's words as cannon.
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6PathsofKami
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Hes got no reason to lie about the requiremnts of izanagi, just because he lied about his identity dont mean he always lies. For now im gona go with what tobi said you need both uchiha and senju dna for izanagi.
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Maybe. But for all you know he might be either lying or since its an uchiha technqiue a true uchiha can use it regardless. Or itachi has found a way to use it. Or for all we know the requirements for izanagi and izanami are different
I was trying to clarify this on other threads. I think Senju dna only improves Sharingan techniques, like lengthening the duration of Izanagi, or shortening the pause between each Kotoamatsukami reload.
And people that are not Uchiha would need Senju dna it to be able to use Sharingan without over-exertion. Like Danzo did. If Kakashi used some Senju dna, he probably wouldn't get paralyzed after using kamui.
And people that are not Uchiha would need Senju dna it to be able to use Sharingan without over-exertion. Like Danzo did. If Kakashi used some Senju dna, he probably wouldn't get paralyzed after using kamui.
MasterofSenjutsu
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The anime is not canon, unless it quotes exactly from the manga. There have been times when the anime changes what the manga put. So, using the anime as proof does not work.
That being said, after reading what has been said, I think that Izanagi DOES require Senju DNA, being almost like a Yin and Yang thing. Honestly, who's to say Itachi didn't get a hold of Senju DNA. We'll just have to see.
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Hmm we have to wait and see like you said if tobi is an uchiha or not. Only way we can know for sure
If tobi is not an uchiha then what you are saying will be correct, it will explain why tobi needed senju dna because hes not a true uchiha.
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This is also very possible that senju dna only increases the time such a technique is used. + rep on what you have said about ka aswell because it ties into what you have said, but also my beliefs
Or Itachi has Senju DNA too
. Ok, at this point Tobi had no reason to lie. Remember when Tobi mentioned that Izanagi can only be used in the case you possess both, Uchiha and Senju. This is the power of the sage of the six paths (Yin Yang). Yeah it's an Uchiha technique since you can use it with the Sharingan, but it doesn't exclude that you don't need Senjus DNA.Tobi is an uchiha but its most likely hes not alive hence when kabuto is having his meeting with him episode 221 at 15.58secs he says he needs " a live sensitive uchiha" could possibly mean tobi is not technically alive
i reckon kabuto wants to take sasukes power similar to orochimaru but this time i dnt think sasuke can reverse it if he gets caught
i reckon kabuto would have taken tobis powers if he was alive he might be a temporary vessel (tobi) might have split himself once rinnegan was activated to avoid death and thus lost most of his powers like muu and so his plan was to raise the rest of his soul and body
then again could be madaras bro lol
i reckon kabuto wants to take sasukes power similar to orochimaru but this time i dnt think sasuke can reverse it if he gets caught
i reckon kabuto would have taken tobis powers if he was alive he might be a temporary vessel (tobi) might have split himself once rinnegan was activated to avoid death and thus lost most of his powers like muu and so his plan was to raise the rest of his soul and body
then again could be madaras bro lol
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Well explained but I do not agree. You are basing off a hint that because it is called an Uchiha kinjutsu it can thus be used by Uchiha's not possesing Hashirama's DNA. But let me ask you a question. What else would they call it? It is a sharingan technique so of course it is going to be labeled an Uchiha Technique (no other clan had the sharingan) and I think just calling it an Uchiha technique is not enough evidence to claim that Uchiha's could use the technique without Hashirama DNA but I can see where you would get this idea from. Again, what else would they call it Uzumaki secret technique. If it is a sharingan only technique of course they are going to call it an Uchiha technique.
I think stronger evidence is pointed out by the fact that Tobi blatantly said in order to use Izanagi one must have BOTH Senju and Uchiha DNA. That being said I think Itachi, the genius, will have come up with some way to utilize Hashirama DNA since 1. He's a genius, and 2. He said It's already prepared.
Unless of course Tobi is not an Uchiha as you said in this thread then he is Tobirama and I am super excited - of course this is not possible but I'm just sayin. xd
I think stronger evidence is pointed out by the fact that Tobi blatantly said in order to use Izanagi one must have BOTH Senju and Uchiha DNA. That being said I think Itachi, the genius, will have come up with some way to utilize Hashirama DNA since 1. He's a genius, and 2. He said It's already prepared.
Unless of course Tobi is not an Uchiha as you said in this thread then he is Tobirama and I am super excited - of course this is not possible but I'm just sayin. xd
yeah i know like in the manga the byakugan was supposed to be able to read part of the sages scriptures and then sharingan could read more then MS could read more then the EMS and so on until you get to rinnegan which can read it all
the anime dropped the byakugan from this list but i think when it comes to more important thinigs like attributes needed to do certain jutsus i dont think the naime would stray far from this because its vital to the storyline its clear the byakugan has no importance in the naruto world and thts likely why they dropped it
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......I sense much win in this post
epic post is epic.
StrifeMaccy
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I agree about Izanami for sure.
Maybe you're right about Izanagi to, maybe a true Uchiha can use it without Senju DNA, but can only use it to its fullest with Senju DNA
Maybe you're right about Izanagi to, maybe a true Uchiha can use it without Senju DNA, but can only use it to its fullest with Senju DNA
Blaze Release
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True but not only was it called a uchiha forbidden technique because its from the sharigan, but its said even for the uchiha it was banned. Secondly nobody is certain whether tobi is an uchiha or not. What we are certain is that danzo isnt, but also clearly had hashirama's cells implanted in him, yet tobi who said you need both hasnt shown us to have implanted hashirama's cells into his body. So far only edo madara and danzo have shown us this.
So for all you know, tobi might indeed be an uchiha, but lied about hashirama's dna, because until we see hashirama's face on his body, like danzo and madara we cannot fully assume that and go with what somebody like tobi has said
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