um there are somethings i want cleared up plz
1. i didn't understand where u were going with kushina and mito? i understand they were from uzumaki clan but what does this have to do with ur theory?
2. (i didn't really understand this in manga so sorry) weren't the clans formed after him preaching about chakra and stuff? Like that ppl made jutsu and stuff and formed clans and that senju and uchiha were first clans and before that no ninjas only samurai before sage
3. The uzumaki clan wasn't destroyed until Minato/Kushina's time (this i know for sure)
I thought this theory was pretty interesting but not much about sage for any real proof
I'm almost 90% sure than uzumaki was part of s0sp not original clan
1)Mitosama and Naruto's mother were from the land of whirlpools(who were proficent at sealing style juitsu) And the eddy village. Mito the first hokages wife sealed the nine tailed beast into herself after Harishama took controll of it from Madara during his first attack on the leaf village, and sealed it into herself becoming the first ninetailes jinjuriki. Also the the eddy village/land of Island of whirlpools( Uzumaki) were feard for their sealing abilites and their land destroyed because of it.
2)no the clans were already formedm Madara explains this more in the chapter where hes talking to Sauske, and said something to the effect that the clans at the time were basicly armies for hire. The Senju of the forest were considered the best and the Uchiha were the only ones who pretty much stood a chance to stop them in battle.
3)The Uzumaki clans are not destroyed they are basicly disbanded and no longer using the name or carry their crest. Except for the leaf village who still carry and use it at this time.And if the Uzumaki clans were totaly distroyed why do we have Mito Uzumaki, and Kurishina Uzumaki, Naruto Uzumaki, and Negato. Who was of the Uzumaki clan even with out haveing the last name?
4)Your more than welcome to retort and express your ideas about it here on this thread.
I LOVE THIS IDEA!!!!
Thanks! Me to thanks to everyone again who helped with all their other threads ect.
Wait, so you're saying, that the rikudou sennin was from the land of Uzumaki / was an Uzumaki?
The SO6P is the founder of ninjutsu, he brought about the shinobi world. The 'eddy village'/Uzumaki (?) was very proficient in the art of sealing style jutsu, but that had to be after the SO6P, because he taught jutsu in the first place.
The war that Kushina was talking about, it seems like a shinobi war, so it must've taken place after the Sage...
I think it's the other way around, the Uzumaki is...'part' Sage...like Senju + Uchiha. (Except they branch off of Senju)
I think anyway >__>
Why did the eddy village have to exist afterwards, the sage the sage preached peace, and using chakra or ninjuitsu for the perpouse of peace?
Uzumaki clan is definitly a representation of the "body" just by their long lives. I definitely like the sealing concept too, I mean four of his five legendary weapons were all about sealing away the soul. Buuuut you also have the Kin/Gin bros were descendants of the sage as well, and they resided in the cloud country. However the cloud country were the ones that tried to kidnap Kushina, I THINK there purpose was to make her a jinchuuriki, can't 100% recall, either way it dealt with her bloodline.
I can agree with the kidnapping of Kushina to turn her into the eight tailed beast host, because if you look back, Killer Bee was turned into the 8 tailed beast jinjuriki because of a series of failures to find a suitable host. Kurishnas body and chakra were suited to supress the nine tailes chakra if she could do that with the nine tails the second strongest only to the 10 tailed beast the 8 tailed beast would be just as easy. And its not even certain that Kin/Gin were decentants of the Sage of the six paths.But they could be Uzumaki or of Uzumaki decent like Negato as well. Rember the decendants and clans the the eddy village were spread through out the world.
And even another fact to back up the sages sealing abilites is that he was the first jinjuriki when he sealed the 10 tailed beast into his body. And the split it apart before he died and created the 9 tailed beasts.
If you look at episode 172, You see Negatos mom who has red hair too which kind could mean that she was also a Uzumaki that was displaced after the distruction of the Land/Island of whirlpools. As well as Negato using a barrier type juitsu around the 19minute mark. A barrier juitsu is a form of sealing juitsu. Shazow
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i thought it was b/c they wanted to steal jinchuuriki and/or her strong chakra
See above.
i was unclear also about some of the same things But...Uchiha and Senju werent the FIRST clans....they were just the first to come together and make a village (The LEAF)
We dont know that they were the first to come together and make a village but they were the first village to exist as a millitary force in a country. The one village/ one country concept then the other countrys did the same.
it might be that the clans existed before the sot6p invited the ninjutsu, however, that had to be a time without kgs and without uchihas and senjus, which were the descendants of sot6p. if sot6p was an uzumaki, the first uchiha and the first senju would have been uzumaki too, but obviously, they dont have the typical attitudes.
since kishi only mentioned that the uzumaki were distant relatives of the senju (what was not mentioned with the uchiha) I'll stick with the believe that they developed from the senju like the hyuga probably did with the uchiha. kind of a sub-clan.
If the Sage of the Six Paths was Uzumaki and his decendants formed the Senju, and Uchiha bloodlines/clans. We dont know which bloodline and clans came first.
Say this(as it kind of is played out in the series) if your father was the sage of the six paths(in my theory an Uzumaki the the distant ancestor of the senju) and then you(the older brother whos decendants becaue uchiha) had another brother say he was the younger brother of the sage(whos decendants became Senju). So the Sage wanted your younger brother to take place as leader of the clan instead of you who it normaly/ traditionaly would go to and who you thought it was going to. So you attack your brother both renouce your origional clan name, and start your own clans senju and uchiha. Your decendants continue to battle and fight through the ages and then finally your younger brothers decendants (senju) offers a truce to your decendants(uchiha) and they form the leaf village in the land of fire.
You cant be a distant relative of the Senju and not be a distant relative of the uchiha who were the Senjus/Sages distant relatives, because of the Sage of the six paths (in my theory Uzumaki) its like saying your not related to a cousin lets say a girl who has a diffrent last name than your mothers maiden name or your fathers last name. Look at Negato trademark red Uzumaki hair, his mother could have been a Uzumaki but when she married Negatos father she (also had red hair btw) no longer would have the Uzumaki last name and would take his clan/last name. And then pass that to negato being the only child.)< still plausable and with in reason)
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Thanks to all the peeps who are posting and voting right now its still plausable, and yes has the majority of the votes.