Something I don't get about this logic

[solo king]

You have a very good point.also pain can summon konan,lol.

 

[KingHashirama]

You have a very good point.also pain can summon konan,lol.

EXACTLY! Ma can summon Naruto, and so on.

 

[GwemBaba]

Some of the Edos had free will though so do we count them aswell? and since when did summoning animals have no choice? im sure they help the summoner off G.P

Well, no, my point is that in reality an Edo Zombie is subservient to it's master, it has no choice in the matter ultimately.

If a summoning animal signs a contract then they are baisically giving up their free will, in a sense.

 

[Space Cowboy]

Summoning jutsu is a S/T time jutsu which teleports something from point A to point B. Anything can be summoned by a summoning jutsu. So Minato grabing someone and use FTG on them makes that person his power? no. The Edos don't have a choice.. because they are BINDED and CONTROLLED.. If they do get a choice they would not choose to obey, so what is your point here?



Kurama's power = TBB

So TBB is also Madara's power?


Old Sage frog Ma summoned Naruto so Naruto has to fight? Gamabunta refused to even do anything with Naruto the first time he summoned him. Orochimaru had to make a deal with Manda for Manda to fight for him.


Edo tensei is a jutsu that ressurects the dead, nothing more.

Edo tensei allows FORCEFULL control over the ressurected.

Hashirama and Madara has INFLUENTIAL control over their clans.

In the end it is still control.

If there is anything i can take from this thread, its that youre mad that Kabuto > NV including Hashirama.

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Edo Tensei is a technique that Kabuto can perform, thus making any effects that stem from it be added as his power. So when you take into account the fact that he can summon 30+ powerful edos, he is undoubtedly the strongest character in NV excluding Rikudo. Thats the cold hard truth buddy. Until you show that Hashirama or Madara are capable of summoning anyone from their clan, much less the entirety of it, your point is moot. They cant summon their entire clans, and that isnt their power. Sorry

 

[iSpeak]

Ok well then

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This is the Mei terumi summoning jutsu then lol j.k. summoning kage to help you fight adds to their strength so these three are now kage ranked ninja i guess lol. Same concept as Edo tensei right? summon another ninja to fight so there power is now yours right? Some of the Edo's had free will so do they count as kabuto's summons too?

So if madara beats the shinobi alliance did kabuto just win the war because he summoned madara?

That wasn't a summoning jutsu... that was FTG. Its just like Minato teleporting the Kyuubi or Obito teleporting Sasuke.

 

[KingHashirama]

If there is anything i can take from this thread, its that youre mad that Kabuto > NV including Hashirama.

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Edo Tensei is a technique that Kabuto can perform, thus making any effects that stem from it be added as his power. So when you take into account the fact that he can summon 30+ powerful edos, he is undoubtedly the strongest character in NV excluding Rikudo. Thats the cold hard truth buddy. Until you show that Hashirama or Madara are capable of summoning anyone from their clan, much less the entirety of it, your point is moot. They cant summon their entire clans, and that isnt their power. Sorry

love how your seeing the same pic i used on you while back xD. But troll someone else. Since you provide no real logical points that haven't been countered by the manga itself..

That wasn't a summoning jutsu... that was FTG. Its just like Minato teleporting the Kyuubi or Obito teleporting Sasuke.

....Summoning jutsu is also teleportation.. haven't you been paying attention to the pain arc?

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Well, no, my point is that in reality an Edo Zombie is subservient to it's master, it has no choice in the matter ultimately.

If a summoning animal signs a contract then they are baisically giving up their free will, in a sense.

Well not all of them are subservient. Some had free will and Some broke free from control. so then only count the ninja kabuto could control as his power?

And summons have free will. they just help because they pledged Allegiance. they have nothing binding them as far as control but they are power aswell?

That wasn't a summoning jutsu... that was FTG. Its just like Minato teleporting the Kyuubi or Obito teleporting Sasuke.

So summoning jutsu is not a teleportation jutsu or S/T jutsu?

The Summoning Technique is a space–time ninjutsu that allows the summoner to transport animals or people across long distances instantly.-Naruto Pedia

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique which allows the user to transport themselves to a given location in the blink of an eye.-Naruto Pedia


Idk sounds like the same concept to me...

 

[solo king]

EXACTLY! Ma can summon Naruto, and so on.

Normally i disagree with you but when your right,your right..for what its worth ill throw some rep your way

 

[Space Cowboy]

love how your seeing the same pic i used on you while back xD. But troll someone else. Since you provide no real logical points that haven't been countered by the manga itself..

....Summoning jutsu is also teleportation.. haven't you been paying attention to the pain arc?

You never used that on me..? Anyways, no, i provided sound, logical points. You just refuse to hear them because it makes your beloved Hashirama take a back seat to the true strongest character in Naruto. I despise Kabuto's character, but im not going to let my love for another character blind me from the fact that he is indeed the strongest. Why is this so hard for you to grasp? Kabuto can use Edo Tensei, summon 30+ powerful, nearly invincible shinobi, and can do it easily. On top of that, DSM itself is insanely OP. He is the strongest. If he can use a technique, why try and limit it?

 

[KingHashirama]

Normally i disagree with you but when your right,your right..for what its worth ill throw some rep your way

^_^, well i admit I'm wrong when I see I'm wrong.

You never used that on me..? Anyways, no, i provided sound, logical points. You just refuse to hear them because it makes your beloved Hashirama take a back seat to the true strongest character in Naruto. I despise Kabuto's character, but im not going to let my love for another character blind me from the fact that he is indeed the strongest. Why is this so hard for you to grasp. Kabuto can use Edo Tensei, summon 30+ powerful, nearly invincible shinobi, and can do it easily. On top of that, DSM itself is insanely OP. He is the strongest. If he can use a technique, why try and limit it?

The guy your defending already said Hashirama is stronger then him.. i don't know why your tripping about it. You despise him.. I actually like him....

And you provided reponses that have been countered by not just me, but other members also.

 

[iSpeak]

....Summoning jutsu is also teleportation.. haven't you been paying attention to the pain arc?

What does that have to do with anything? Im saying that FTG is a specific technique. Those 3 Ninja used FTG to transport Mei.
Its like saying Kakashi using Kamui is a summoning aswell.

So summoning jutsu is not a teleportation jutsu or S/T jutsu?

The Summoning Technique is a space–time ninjutsu that allows the summoner to transport animals or people across long distances instantly.-Naruto Pedia

The Flying Thunder God Technique is a technique which allows the user to transport themselves to a given location in the blink of an eye.-Naruto Pedia


Idk sounds like the same concept to me...

When did I say summoning isn't space time?

 

[KingHashirama]

What does that have to do with anything? Im saying that FTG is a specific technique. Those 3 Ninja used FTG to transport Mei.
Its like saying Kakashi using Kamui is a summoning aswell.

Teleportation is teleportation. And I never called it a summoning. I said they are the samething. Summoning is you teleportating something from point A to point B (your spot). FTG is you teleporting your self also.

Here is the difference, you judge the names , I judge what the techniques actually do.

 

[iSpeak]

Teleportation is teleportation. And I never called it a summoning. I said they are the samething. Summoning is you teleportating something from point A to point B (your spot). FTG is you teleporting your self also.

Here is the difference, you judge the names , I judge what the techniques actually do.

So point out exactly where I said summoning isn't a S/T jutsu... that has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

What does that have to do with anything? Im saying that FTG is a specific technique. Those 3 Ninja used FTG to transport Mei.
Its like saying Kakashi using Kamui is a summoning aswell.

Dude the two jutsu have the same result but because they have different names and methods its not the same? point is they summoned mei with FTG. Pain can summon konan so is that a more acceptable argument than this?

 

[Space Cowboy]

^_^, well i admit I'm wrong when I see I'm wrong.



The guy your defending already said Hashirama is stronger then him.. i don't know why your tripping about it. You despise him.. I actually like him....

And you provided reponses that have been countered by not just me, but other members also.

Yet if we put them in a battle scenario, using an ounce of logic we could easily see how 30+ edos outclasses Hashirama. Im "tripping" about it because what youre trying to say is ridiculous, and i dont let my feelings towards a character interfere on how i perceive the manga. I never understood why people do that in the first place. And for the sake of our argument, please pull up a satisfactory counter to the fact that Kabuto can infact use edo tensei to summon all the edos he wants at will

 

[iSpeak]

Dude the two jutsu have the same result but because they have different names and methods its not the same? point is they summoned mei with FTG. Pain can summon konan so is that a more acceptable argument than this?

They didn't summon mei, they teleported with her to another location. Teleporting yourself to another location isn't summoning... that is what I am saying. Summing is bringing something to you.
And I don't really remember Nagato doing that but if he did, then I guess he can.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yet if we put them in a battle scenario, using an ounce of logic we could easily see how 30+ edos outclasses Hashirama. Im "tripping" about it because what youre trying to say is ridiculous, and i dont let my feelings towards a character interfere on how i perceive the manga. I never understood why people do that in the first place. And for the sake of our argument, please pull up a satisfactory counter to the fact that Kabuto can infact use edo tensei to summon all the edos he wants at will

So your saying you know more about Kabuto , then Kabuto knows about himself...... well done. Your so not a Kabuto fanboy huh.

How is what I'm saying ridiculous. Then let me see him summon the 3rd Raikage back.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

They didn't summon mei, they teleported with her to another location. Teleporting yourself to another location isn't summoning... that is what I am saying.
And I don't really remember Nagato doing that but if he did, then I guess he can.

Yes summoning jutsu is teleporting lmao what manga are you reading?

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See its a S/T jutsu. Anytime you travel through space and time, starting from one point and ending in another you just teleported. because your moving through space and not using time then your teleporting....

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[iSpeak]

Yes summoning jutsu is teleporting lmao what manga are you reading?

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See its a S/T jutsu. Anytime you travel through space and time, starting from one point and ending in another you just teleported. because your moving through space and not using time then your teleporting....

Like I said, when did I say summoning isn't a S/T technique?
This is why I can't be bothered for these sites anymore.
If they say all summoning is S/T, does that mean all S/T techniques are summoning? NO.
Is FTG a S/T technique? Yes. Is it a summoning? No. Not that hard to understand seriously. Just because they teleported her, doesn't mean they summoned her...

 

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