Something I don't get about this logic

[KingHashirama]

If "controlling someone" or "forcing someone" or "manipulating someone" makes the person being forced/Manipulate/controlled your own power why is the Uchiha clan not part of Madara's power. Granted he cannot summon them.. but last time I checked summoning jutsu that allows you teleport things from point A to point B and reverse summoning point B to point A.


So for the people who make the ressurected people who are manipulate and controlled by Kabuto or Orochimaru count as their own power.. please tell me why is Madara's power not the Uchiha clan, or Hashirama's power the Senju clan. Both of the clans were controlled by those 2.

Tell me why are they a exception?

 

[Cursed Prince]

It just is. Deal with it

 

[KingHashirama]

It just is. Deal with it

Why bother posting?

 

[GwemBaba]

Little different, we're talking about independent humanoids that think for themselves here...

 

[avenged sevenfold]

It just isn't I guess. It was it is

 

[Space Cowboy]

..Is this serious

 

[GwemBaba]

..Is this serious

I hope not.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Lol i see your point dude. if thats the case the Shinobi alliance is naruto's jutsu since they are on his side using his chakra right? lol so Naruto>Kabuto via Kurama cloaked shinobi alliance haha.


Edit:
I say Edo tensei and all summons are someones Power but not their strength though. it should not count as soloing but all is fair in love and war. Kabuto is not number 1 because of Edo tensei but he is sick as fxck because of DSM. His strength should be counted as the extent of his being. Edo tensei has nothing to do with his being so its not his strength. but power...yes..control is power...but power can be taken strength cannot

 

[KingHashirama]

..Is this serious

If you can't answer it with a logical reason, or where the manga specifically states having control of other people makes their powers also yours. And if that is the case, tell me why Hashirama and Madara's clans are not their power.

Lol i see your point dude. if thats the case the Shinobi alliance is naruto's jutsu since they are on his side using his chakra right? lol so Naruto>Kabuto via Kurama cloaked shinobi alliance haha.

Just wanna see if the fanboys come up with a logical explanation or make posts to ignore the thread and just insult or say "are you serious..?"

And If that is the case Naruto is > Kabuto since he has a mini Kurama army, while Kabuto has a Edo tensei Army .

 

[Space Cowboy]

If you can't answer it with a logical reason, or where the manga specifically states having control of other people makes their powers also yours. And if that is the case, tell me why Hashirama and Madara's clans are not their power.

You really were serious, huh? I suppose ive seen crazier things. Hm, well i suppose when we take into account a Kages power, we should count all the shinobi from their village as well? No. This is retarded, and you know it. Edos have no choice but to fight for their summoner. This doesnt apply to Hashi or Madara, and they are incapable of summoning their entire clans

 

[GwemBaba]

If you can't answer it with a logical reason, or where the manga specifically states having control of other people makes their powers also yours. And if that is the case, tell me why Hashirama and Madara's clans are not their power.

Because they are Autonomous.

Summoning animals, Edo zombies.... They are all obliged to, and are expected to fight, they have no choice in the matter.

 

[donut1939]

I guess they could be. I suppose the real reason is that the edo tensei is an actual jutsu and if need be they can actually force the subjects to obey their will. What you're suggesting is something like a kage position. Just because you're hokage doesn't mean you can have the people of Konoha obey you at an absolute level ex: Uchiha insurrection. Of course it depends on the actual scenario but so far only 2 people can get out of the edo tensei and its an actual technique, not a position...so yea probably something like that.

 

[hixa kuogame]

i feel that edos the juubi/gedo senju dna etc. should not be counted as weapons in ones arsenal i guess its different though because a clan isnt really yours because they have their own minds and cant truly be under your full control

 

[Nous]

I honestly don't know how to answer :/
However I kinda thought of the same thing at one point - why not consider Haku part of Zabuza's power? Anyways I think the answer is, is because the Senju, Uchiha... are humonoids that think for themselves just being manipulated. They can exist without them where as an Edo can't.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Because they are Autonomous.

Summoning animals, Edo zombies.... They are all obliged to, and are expected to fight, they have no choice in the matter.

Some of the Edos had free will though so do we count them aswell? and since when did summoning animals have no choice? im sure they help the summoner off G.P

 

[iSpeak]

Because simply brining your friend or clan along isn't a technique.
Shinobi's arsenals consist of Jutsu's (literally techniques)
Edo Tensei and Summonings are both Jutsu's so are acceptable.
Thats how I see it anyway.

 

[Altaneen]

The difference is that the Uchiha clan, Senju clan, and the shinobi alliance can choose not to follow Madara, Hashirama, and Naruto. That is not true of the Edos with the exception of Madara, and Hashirama.

I personally do not count Madara as Kabuto's power, or Hasirama as Orochimaru's.

 

[hixa kuogame]

Lol i see your point dude. if thats the case the Shinobi alliance is naruto's jutsu since they are on his side using his chakra right? lol so Naruto>Kabuto via Kurama cloaked shinobi alliance haha.


Edit:
I say Edo tensei and all summons are someones Power but not their strength though. it should not count as soloing but all is fair in love and war. Kabuto is not number 1 because of Edo tensei but he is sick as fxck because of DSM. His strength should be counted as the extent of his being. Edo tensei has nothing to do with his being so its not his strength. but power...yes..control is power...but power can be taken strength cannot

thats a really good point the shinobi aliance is equal to like 3 bijuu + kurama chakra thats like 6 bijuu
so naruto does solo all

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Because simply brining your friend or clan along isn't a technique.
Shinobi's arsenals consist of Jutsu's (literally techniques)
Edo Tensei and Summonings are both techniques so are acceptable.

Ok well then

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This is the Mei terumi summoning jutsu then lol j.k. summoning kage to help you fight adds to their POWER so these three are now kage ranked ninja i guess lol. Same concept as Edo tensei right? summon another ninja to fight so there power is now yours right? Some of the Edo's had free will so do they count as kabuto's summons too?

So if madara beats the shinobi alliance did kabuto just win the war because he summoned madara?

 

[KingHashirama]

You really were serious, huh? I suppose ive seen crazier things. Hm, well i suppose when we take into account a Kages power, we should count all the shinobi from their village as well? No. This is retarded, and you know it. Edos have no choice but to fight for their summoner. This doesnt apply to Hashi or Madara, and they are incapable of summoning their entire clans

Summoning jutsu is a S/T time jutsu which teleports something from point A to point B. Anything can be summoned by a summoning jutsu. So Minato grabing someone and use FTG on them makes that person his power? no. The Edos don't have a choice.. because they are BINDED and CONTROLLED.. If they do get a choice they would not choose to obey, so what is your point here?



Kurama's power = TBB

So TBB is also Madara's power?

Because they are Autonomous.

Summoning animals, Edo zombies.... They are all obliged to, and are expected to fight, they have no choice in the matter.

Old Sage frog Ma summoned Naruto so Naruto has to fight? Gamabunta refused to even do anything with Naruto the first time he summoned him. Orochimaru had to make a deal with Manda for Manda to fight for him.

I guess they could be. I suppose the real reason is that the edo tensei is an actual jutsu and if need be they can actually force the subjects to obey their will. What you're suggesting is something like a kage position. Just because you're hokage doesn't mean you can have the people of Konoha obey you at an absolute level ex: Uchiha insurrection. Of course it depends on the actual scenario but so far only 2 people can get out of the edo tensei and its an actual technique, not a position...so yea probably something like that.

Edo tensei is a jutsu that ressurects the dead, nothing more.

Edo tensei allows FORCEFULL control over the ressurected.

Hashirama and Madara has INFLUENTIAL control over their clans.

In the end it is still control.

The difference is that the Uchiha clan, Senju clan, and the shinobi alliance can choose not to follow Madara, Hashirama, and Naruto. That is not true of the Edos with the exception of Madara, and Hashirama.

I personally do not count Madara as Kabuto's power, or Hasirama as Orochimaru's.

Control is control buddy. And Madara and Hashirama proved that Edo tensei people aren't the user's power.