[Discussion] So what is the new top 3?

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My Hero Academia has everything ready to be a top 3 except the recognition. Once more people start picking up on it, it'll shoot up high on a lot of lists. Nanatsu no Taizai's not bad and was actually a lot better than I was expecting but I went in with low expectations. If HxH could come back steady it'd be a definite top 3 as well.

As far as popularity goes I'd say the new top 3 are probably OP, AoT and Magi.
HxH already sells more than Academia by a landslide but expecting it to come back without hiatus isn't happening. Academia doesn't even sell close to Haikyuu so keep dreaming of Academia being in the top 3. Academia hasn't surpassed OPM in volume sales too iirc.

No, it's OP, AoT & Haikyuu/Kingdom (I think Haikyuu will beat Kingdom given the third season is airing atm) this year.
 

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HxH already sells more than Academia by a landslide but expecting it to come back without hiatus isn't happening. Academia doesn't even sell close to Haikyuu so keep dreaming of Academia being in the top 3. Academia hasn't surpassed OPM in volume sales too iirc.

No, it's OP, AoT & Haikyuu/Kingdom (I think Haikyuu will beat Kingdom given the third season is airing atm) this year.
isn't OPM;TG:re and Kingdom all seinen

and i believe 3 gatsu no lion;Case Closed and Seven deadly are also selling more than Academia per volume
 

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isn't OPM;TG:re and Kingdom all seinen

and i believe 3 gatsu no lion;Case Closed and Seven deadly are also selling more than Academia per volume
Yea they are seinen but they can still be in the top 3.

3 gatsu no lion got a big boost. Yes 7DS is selling more and maybe Case Closed. Well we'll see since the top 30 list will come at the end of the month.
 

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When I think of these Big 3 lists, I'm thinking long running battle manga for all audiences from youth to adults. Those are the ones that can consistently garner solid popularity for a decade or so.
 

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HxH already sells more than Academia by a landslide but expecting it to come back without hiatus isn't happening. Academia doesn't even sell close to Haikyuu so keep dreaming of Academia being in the top 3. Academia hasn't surpassed OPM in volume sales too iirc.

No, it's OP, AoT & Haikyuu/Kingdom (I think Haikyuu will beat Kingdom given the third season is airing atm) this year.
Like I said My Hero Academia has everything to place it in a top 3 besides the recognition. Once more people pick it up and spread word about it, it'll pass a lot in sales. Kingdom's great but the bad anime hurts it's reputation. HxH sells more and people like it more but it's inability to produce content consistently should exclude it from any top list, especially a top list involving current selling manga.
 

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Yea they are seinen but they can still be in the top 3.

3 gatsu no lion got a big boost. Yes 7DS is selling more and maybe Case Closed. Well we'll see since the top 30 list will come at the end of the month.
its really hard for acaidama to get in top 3 tbh almost impossible seeing the first half sales of 2016



damn Korosensei Killed it :score:
Detective Conan is very popular in Japan
yeah it is
 
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Like I said My Hero Academia has everything to place it in a top 3 besides the recognition. Once more people pick it up and spread word about it, it'll pass a lot in sales. Kingdom's great but the bad anime hurts it's reputation. HxH sells more and people like it more but it's inability to produce content consistently should exclude it from any top list, especially a top list involving current selling manga.
How much recognition is it going to need? It got quite a lot of push already and was aired in a popular time-slot. The anime sales were pretty good but nothing amazing. It may receive more of a boost with season 2 but I don't see it surpassing Haikyuu.
its really hard for acaidama to get in top 3 tbh almost impossible seeing the first half sales of 2016



damn Korosensei Killed it :score:

yeah it is
Exactly.
 

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What was more popular during its run, Kuroko or Haikyuu? I'm willing to bet Kuroko, but Haikyu has been killing it too (maybe a bit of it thanks to Kuroko paving the way) so it is probably close.
 

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What was more popular during its run, Kuroko or Haikyuu? I'm willing to bet Kuroko, but Haikyu has been killing it too (maybe a bit of it thanks to Kuroko paving the way) so it is probably close.
The highest selling volume of KnB was in the mid 800k's and for Haikyuu it was nearly 1M (991k to be exact). KnB's overall sales reached a peak in 2013 with 8.7M (it got #3 spot for that year) and atm Haikyuu's peak for overall sales in a year was in 2014, it got 8.2M sales.


Haikyuu (S1) Series Anime sales avg -> 25.5k
KnB (S1) Series Anime sales avg -> 24.4k

They're pretty close & they were huge anime hits. KnB had more stable anime sales with season 2 beating Haikyuu's season 2 sales.
 
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How much recognition is it going to need? It got quite a lot of push already and was aired in a popular time-slot. The anime sales were pretty good but nothing amazing. It may receive more of a boost with season 2 but I don't see it surpassing Haikyuu.


Exactly.
What do you mean how much does it need it hardly has any recognition yet, it's only gotten one season that wasn't pushed or advertised overseas like Nanatsu no Taizai was, MHA's not on Hulu or Netflix which cuts down potential viewers a good bit. AoT took the first season and a few dozen chapters before it gained as much ground and the main reason it did so was people talking, barely anyone on here even reads MHA, how much recognition is there if barely anyone's trying it?

And let's look at that chart with some context. Haikyuu is on vol 21. MHA is on 7
18 677,309 Haikyu!! 21 Shueisha 2016/05
Haruichi Furudate
35 458,980 My Hero Academia 7 Shueisha 2016/02
Kōhei Horikoshi

Haikyuu is 18 MHA is 35 that and only selling 200,000 less. Give it the time to reach vol 21 then compare those numbers. The further it gets the more recognition and word of mouth it will get and you'll see those numbers climb.
 
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What do you mean how much does it need it hardly has any recognition yet, it's only gotten one season that wasn't pushed or advertised overseas like Nanatsu no Taizai was, MHA's not on Hulu or Netflix which cuts down potential viewers a good bit. AoT took the first season and a few dozen chapters before it gained as much ground and the main reason it did so was people talking, barely anyone on here even reads MHA, how much recognition is there if barely anyone's trying it?
What does overseas recognition have to do about being in the top 3? I don't care about foreign market, just domestic sales (i.e sales in Japan). Maybe you misunderstood there.

And let's look at that chart with some context. Haikyuu is on vol 21. MHA is on 7
18 677,309 Haikyu!! 21 Shueisha 2016/05
Haruichi Furudate
35 458,980 My Hero Academia 7 Shueisha 2016/02
Kōhei Horikoshi

Haikyuu is 18 MHA is 35 that and only selling 200,000 less. Give it the time to reach vol 21 then compare those numbers. The further it gets the more recognition and word of mouth it will get and you'll see those numbers climb.
That's a pretty big difference and Academia was released earlier. Haikyuu during it's first season release was already surpassing 800k sales with it's best selling volume of that year.

Even in anime sales, Haikyuu dominates. It's a larger franchise. Haikyuu first season sold about 5 times as much as Academia's first season anime sales. Also, both Haikyuu & Academia had aired on the 5:00 timeslot in Japan and Haikyuu scored better TV ratings than Academia. In fact, Academia had some of the lowest TV ratings on that timeslot.

I should be more lenient towards Academia since it only got 13 episodes for it's first season vs. Haikyuu that got like 26 episodes so Academia's second season will give a better picture. Either way, there's little evidence for proving that Academia will be in the top 3. It has a lot of competition and is going to need a large boost to make it to the top 3. It's not reasonable to say Academia will be in the top 3.
 
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What does overseas recognition have to do about being in the top 3? I don't care about foreign market, just domestic sales (i.e sales in Japan). Maybe you misunderstood there.



That's a pretty big difference and Academia was released earlier. Haikyuu during it's first season release was already surpassing 800k sales with it's best selling volume of that year.

Even in anime sales, Haikyuu dominates. It's a larger franchise. Haikyuu first season sold about 5 times as much as Academia's first season anime sales. Also, both Haikyuu & Academia had aired on the 5:00 timeslot in Japan and Haikyuu scored better TV ratings than Academia. In fact, Academia had some of the lowest TV ratings on that timeslot.

I should be more lenient towards Academia since it only got 13 episodes for it's first season vs. Haikyuu that got like 26 episodes so Academia's second season will give a better picture. Either way, there's little evidence for proving that Academia will be in the top 3. It has a lot of competition and is going to need a large boost to make it to the top 3. It's not reasonable to say Academia will be in the top 3.
Top 3 isn't Japan stats only you can drop that nonsense at the door if it was Naruto(whose majority of popularity came from overseas) wouldn't be a top 3. Haikyuu's been around longer
2012 compared to 2014.
Academia didn't even get a full on season, most anime get 20 some eps a season, the trial
runs get 13-16. MHA season 1 was it's trial run and it still got a good reputation.

Also let's not forget you're comparing a manga that's had 2 extra years of fan base building, that's not apples to apples. Compare MHA in two years to Haikyuu's current numbers then we'll have a real idea of how they compare. Haikyuu's been out 4 years and current sales of 675 call it 700,000 that's an average of 175,000 per year whereas MHA is two years old with 458 call it 400,000(just to help you out, really it should be rounded up to 500) and that's an average of 200,000 per year(at 500 it'd be 250,000 per year) This implies MHA is growing at a faster rate than Haikyuu is and given equal amounts of time will surpass it.
 
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Not really Naruto, Bleach and One Piece first had to dominate in Japan, like legitimately be consistently top 5. Naruto became popular here in the West (NA to be exact) but as far as overall numbers go this area is damn near negligible.
 

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Top 3 isn't Japan stats only you can drop that nonsense at the door if it was Naruto(whose majority of popularity came from overseas) wouldn't be a top 3. Haikyuu's been around longer
2012 compared to 2014.
Academia didn't even get a full on season, most anime get 20 some eps a season, the trial
runs get 13-16. MHA season 1 was it's trial run and it still got a good reputation.
Foreign market is very small, I think the biggest outside of Japan is France(?). It makes a small portion. So I don't care about the foreign market.

Was it? It had some of the lowest TV ratings for that timeslot during it's first batch of episode. Overall, it's still near the bottom iirc. The anime sales weren't so impressive compared to the other anime titles who previously aired on the same time slot.

Also let's not forget you're comparing a manga that's had 2 extra years of fan base building, that's not apples to apples. Compare MHA in two years to Haikyuu's current numbers then we'll have a real idea of how they compare. Haikyuu's been out 4 years and current sales of 675 call it 700,000 that's an average of 175,000 per year whereas MHA is two years old with 458 call it 400,000(just to help you out, really it should be rounded up to 500) and that's an average of 200,000 per year(at 500 it'd be 250,000 per year) This implies MHA is growing at a faster rate than Haikyuu is and given equal amounts of time will surpass it.
That's why I said a second season is needed but there's little chance for it to explode to the top 3. It already got promotion/push by Kishi and is getting multiple cover pages in magazine (more than Haikyuu was).

Why are you spreading the sales of a single volume throughout the entirety of series run? Anyways, comparing both Haikyuu & Academia prior to their anime release; Academia was selling higher per volume. Which doesn't mean it's guaranteed to beat Haikyuu after it's second season. Academia should be around a 500k per volume seller. It's not likely to spike to 800k per volume seller after a second season (that's a larger boost than what the first season did). Haikyuu was selling around/over 800k at peak per volume during it's first season.

I am willing to wait till Academia's second season but my opinion is that it isn't likely for Academia to reach the top 3. I don't see it happening.
 

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my top 3 anime right now of the new ones is

1.re zero

2.one punch man

3.boku no hero academia

and my top 3 new manga is

1.boku no hero academia

2. platinum end

3.attack on titan

well there are Moore awsome animes i Think are just as awsome but took some random because they are awsome too the same with manga but still feel old school have a bit better anime and manga still than the modern day of manga and anime despite some new manga and anime bit thats just my opinion :D
 
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