[Theory] So What Is Itachi's Gift......?

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Well at this point whenever itachi's ms is activated the crow will come, this means sasuke aswell as he took itachi's eye. But madara i HIGHLY doubt. Itachi doesnt know anything about madara and what he does know most others know already.


Naruto is fast, got massive rasengan to aviod being attacked shield of flames aorund ssauke, and can fight mid range now as he can fire off wind rasnegans. So I DOUBT this affect is meant to help naruto against the black flames.

For tuki genjutsu he can enter in and out of sage or riko mode to disrupt his chakra and he can do this very fast now. So genjutsu looks like it handled.

Sassano is just fighting really theres nothing to counter here, naruto would just fight as normal massive rasnegan, wind ransegnan speed etc..

The only thing that naruto may not have answer for is that genjutsu blade as its effect is more or less intantoues and a big risk of being sealed. So I think the gift is to help here. I'm prety sure about this because if its something that negates the sharingan other MS users would know about this, it wouldnt be a itachi exclusive. But the the legedary weapons itachi had were in his posssesion. So think if iBut tachi has something unque to offer it is about those legendary weapons. this based whether sasuke gets them, he would have to get othewise sasuke will have a next impossible chance of winning.

So long story short i think this gift is to counter that genjutsu haxed sword.
Exactly^^ and as their is no proof Sasuke will get those legendary weapons i don't think thats it. Technically Naruto in kyuubi mode could counter all 3 MS techs that Itachi has shown but thats not enough. Why? Uchiha Madara controlled the 9 tails and used it in his fight against Hashirama Senju and he also had EMS to boot. So having the 9 tails is no guarantee of victory as we all know Madara lost that fight. Naruto having a MS negating gift would'nt be too over powered therefore.
 

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Exactly^^ and as their is no proof Sasuke will get those legendary weapons i don't think thats it. Technically Naruto in kyuubi mode could counter all 3 MS techs that Itachi has shown but thats not enough. Why? Uchiha Madara controlled the 9 tails and used it in his fight against Hashirama Senju and he also had EMS to boot. So having the 9 tails is no guarantee of victory as we all know Madara lost that fight. Naruto having a MS negating gift would'nt be too over powered therefore.
The fox isnt on the surface when naruto is using his powers NOW, it was before but naruto has taken his power to use at his will not the fox's and thats a important differnce. The sharingan controls the fox's will but naruto has separeated the will from the chakra. The sharingan doesn suppress the fox's chakra like the frist hokage could. They control the fox in different ways. The sharingan attack the his mind while the first hokages attack the chakra itself.

Also the whole point in sealing the fox in host to control it like the sharingan can. This why harashima got mito to seal it within her for konoha's intrests, it would defeat the purpose of seallingthe fox if madara could simply take it back just like that.
 

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as far as this goes , i think waiting for next week is not that hard


anyways you took your time for this theory and shared it with us , so great theory and it was pretty much what every1 has thought at the chapter 549 discussion
 

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The fox isnt on the surface when naruto is using his powers NOW, it was before but naruto has taken his power to use at his will not the fox's and thats a important differnce. The sharingan controls the fox's will but naruto has separeated the will from the chakra. The sharingan doesn suppress the fox's chakra like the frist hokage could. They control the fox in different ways. The sharingan attack the his mind while the first hokages attack the chakra itself.

Also the whole point in sealing the fox in host to control it like the sharingan can. This why harashima got mito to seal it within her for konoha's intrests, it would defeat the purpose of seallingthe fox if madara could simply take it back just like that.
Could you quote the manga that supports what you just said? If not i'm going to call it nothing but speculation that sharingan (MS in fact) controls the fox's will not chakra etc.
 

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One question to everyone:

Why did Itachi say "Lets see what happens" as the crow activated?
He planted that power into Naruto, he knows very well whats about to happen. So why does he still say something like that??
 

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One question to everyone:

Why did Itachi say "Lets see what happens" as the crow activated?
He planted that power into Naruto, he knows very well whats about to happen. So why does he still say something like that??
He said it was to use vs. Sasuke but it's possible that he's trying to use it on himself.
 

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The way I see it, the quote doesn't question his certainty but almost sounds like he's testing the "thing" he shoved down Naruto's throat.
 

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@Cyborg: Overall very nice theory, well thought out, supported by the manga and presented in a clear and easy to understand way, so excellent job there in the presentation department.

Regarding the theory, as presented, I think that Itachi's gift is way too overpowered, such that it negates the MS and/or nerfs the EMS. I think it may work initially on all techniques, for example first use only, or work on only one technique initially, like Tsukiyomi when they land. Naruto in Kyuubi mode will be difficult due to his speed to line up a Tsukiyomi/Ameratsu, but Sasuke is a growing expert in these MS techniques.

I don't think it's something that's going to last the entire fight as to my knowledge Sasuke has nothing over Naruto that nullifies any of his abilities all fight long, and this would give Naruto way too much of an advantage if he's essentially fighting a 3-tomoe Sasuke, which is pre-Shippuuden. Hashirama took on Madara with the EMS and Kyuubi (until Hashirama took control and Mito sealed it inside herself), so I don't think the EMS is so deadly that it can't be fought by high level ninja without the need for some negation.

Regarding the spiritual items, I don't think Sasuke has them. It doesn't make sense to me for spiritual items like the sword of Totsuka and Yata mirror to have a basis in the physical world, namely Itachi's dead eyes, but I have no idea with Kishi. I would think that they'd randomly scattered when Itachi died, to be found again by the next person. That's just speculation, and I'm not sure how it works until Sasuke opens his eyes and goes to work. If he has them, Yata's mirror is a bigger issue than the sword to a certain extent because of Naruto's speed; however, the gift may be a spiritual item that stalemates each of the spiritual items.

I do agree that the gift is not intended to harm Sasuke, but it may bind/seal him in some fashion. For example, it may temporarily seal his eye/s, or something like that after he casts, say an Ameratsu that eye is temporarily sealed.

What I wonder is how well this gift will work with the EMS, for two reasons. First, the EMS is naturally more powerful than the MS, so the efficacy may be diminished simply due to this, as well as the fourth doujutsu that Itachi doesn't know and couldn't have planned on a counter for. Second, while Sasuke's EMS does use Itachi's eye's, the EMS, based on Madara's EMS, looked half like Madara's MS and half like Izuna's, so I expect the same from Sasuke's. Thus, I worry that the crow's recognition/efficacy will be diminished by this as well, but maybe that's reading the manga too strictly, not sure.

Thus, I think you're onto something, but I think a more toned down version is more realistic to expect in the manga. Overall, an interesting theory. Nice job. :)

Peace

dont knw if someone really noticed this or not..the eye in which MS was activated in the first picture was itachi's right eye..and the picture in whic he says lets see what happens is his left eye..lol..
Yeah, I looked that up after you mentioned it, and I only realized it based on eye shape and eyebrow dash. Sharp catch.

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So long story short i think this gift is to counter that genjutsu haxed sword.

That being said itachi was very surprised that naruto can control the fox, so he probally thought naruto at the time need all the help he can get. When itachi meet naruto, naruto didnt even have sage mode.
So it could be something as simple as negate ms techs but that would be reduntant as naruto can deal with it at this stage of his growth.
Maybe, but I don't know if Sasuke even has the Totsuka sword, or what gift would even protect Naruto aside from another spiritual item, and why would that be triggered by the MS? As I said in a separate response, I find it odd that spiritual items would be stored in Itachi's eyes (a previously dead physical medium). I think they scattered when Itachi died, but Kishi may have decided to give them to Sasuke.

I do agree that Naruto in Kyuubi mode due to his speed and chakra-mode-switching can get him out of Ameratsu and Sasuke's Tsukiyomi (assuming it still lacks the temporal control Itachi's had, otherwise, 1s=72hrs, then chakra mode switching isn't fast enough.).

However, nothing is perfect, Naruto may have the ability to dodge/cancel those two MS abilities, but it doesn't mean he'll be perfect as Sasuke is no slouch, so being able to break/cancel them is valuable. Albeit I've never been worried about Tsukiyomi and Naruto. Sure it's meant to break the spirit, but Naruto has the strongest spirit of all the characters in Naruto. With the Kyuubi mode, even if Ameratsu lands, I wonder if a chakra hand can just push it off into the dirt.

Peace

He wants to see if his ''gift'' works.
Unfortunately for us, I wonder if Itachi will see just enough to decide it works before sending it back in, without us actually seeing what it does. It's either that or I think we'll get a full blown explanation.

Peace.
 

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So, my guess is that as the crow appears again at the end, it has the power to nullify the powers of the MS, ametarasu, tsukiyomi and susanoo or any other MS tech's will be rendered ineffectual or inaccessible for the user who naruto is up against. It makes sense, as that way the user(lets say Sasuke, whomitachi intended the powers to be used against) won't die but 90 percent of his powers will be negated if this were to happen. Its important to note that Sasuke now has EMS, and knowing kishi it probably won't be that easy for naruto when these two fight, but still i think the power given by itachi will work partially, and it'll be upto naruto with his new powers of his control over the kyuubi to do the rest.
.. You maybe on to something here and I hope it goes this way. It will be too bad if Itachi's gift will be a single time use thing as some speculate- I find that possibility really useless and boring.
 

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did no one really notice what the crow had in its mouth! really! omg! look at the last page and look close whats it look like. remember madadra said he gave what to nageto? and now itachi gave what to naruto? take your time it may just come to you. take a look at the last page of the last chp look at the bottom left chp and tell me what you see. would it be could it be the rinnagun???????? idk we shall see. but seeing that naruto and nageto is from the same clan it would make since.
 

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did no one really notice what the crow had in its mouth! really! omg! look at the last page and look close whats it look like. remember madadra said he gave what to nageto? and now itachi gave what to naruto? take your time it may just come to you. take a look at the last page of the last chp look at the bottom left chp and tell me what you see. would it be could it be the rinnagun???????? idk we shall see. but seeing that naruto and nageto is from the same clan it would make since.
There is nothing in the crow's mouth. it's Naruto's shoulder You saw. U_U
 

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I've seen 3 or 4 threads like this but as its relevant to the current Manga i'll give my take on what Itachi's gift to Naruto could be in light of the recent chapter.

Lets start by examining the facts. Here's the chapter where Itachi initially gives his mysterious gift to Naruto:
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Notice above that Itachi gives his power to Naruto after hearing his answer to what he would do if Sasuke were to attack Konoha. So this establishes one fact straight away: the gift was directly related to Sasuke, specifically helping Naruto to stop Sasuke, if and when needed. Upon hearing Naruto's response Itachi was satisfied by it and gave him the crow, meaning there was a possibility that had naruto said something arrogant that he might not have received any powers. After all, Itachi put his bro Sasuke before the whole village, and Danzo later commented that leaving Sasuke alive was Itachi's only mistake. So perhaps giving Naruto powers to stop Sasuke is Itachi's way of making amends for that one mistake he made when he let his brother live when the uchiha clan were massacred. I say stop, but let me be very clear that whatever power there was was a non lethal type, i refuse to believe that Itachi would want to see Sasuke dead after all that happened. So thus far it seems that Itachi's power was meant to help Naruto to:
1. Stop Sasuke
2. Not kill him
These seem fairly certain points right now. But now lets take a look at the most recent chapter, and what it shows us:
Before starting here, i just wanted to point out one thing: a lot of people gave a huge amount of importance to itachi's line 'I hope the day never comes when you have to use it'(last pic^). I feel he said that because he hoped that Sasuke would return to Konoha, not because of the nature of the powers or any adverse affect they may have on Naruto. Like when he meets him now, he straight away says ' What's become of Sasuke?':
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You can see the pain and shock on Itachi's face when he learns about what happened.So that line of i hope you never have to use your powers meant i hope sasuke doesnt turn dark side, in other words.
The point i made earlier about the powers being directly related to Sasuke are further validated here:
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'I was right to trust in you after all...' he says that after naruto says his plan was always to take care of sasuke. Meaning taking care of sasuke was also the purpose of the powers given to naruto, this much seems to be obvious now. Naruto is surprised by this statement, meaning he was referring to the powers given way back then.
Then there is the last page:
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Itachi activates his MS, and the crow makes another appearance . Potentially this could mean that every time somebody activates a MS the power kicks in OR itachi deliberately turned the power he had given Naruto 'on'. This possibility i doubt, both Itachi and Nagato at this point were under kabuto's control, and as such their bodies and whatever actions they did were not their own. This then leaves us with the option that everytime someone activates a MS in front of naruto his powers given by itachi get activated.
Of course, this is not a fact, but it appears to be a distinct possibility after what has been shown.
So, my guess is that as the crow appears again at the end, it has the power to nullify the powers of the MS, ametarasu, tsukiyomi and susanoo or any other MS tech's will be rendered ineffectual or inaccessible for the user who naruto is up against. It makes sense, as that way the user(lets say Sasuke, whomitachi intended the powers to be used against) won't die but 90 percent of his powers will be negated if this were to happen. Its important to note that Sasuke now has EMS, and knowing kishi it probably won't be that easy for naruto when these two fight, but still i think the power given by itachi will work partially, and it'll be upto naruto with his new powers of his control over the kyuubi to do the rest.
Wow..simply wow..
awesome theory​
 

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2 days left to know the powers after nearly 2 years of wondering... but really your theory make sense and I feel its true... If it is really whats going to happen in the next chapter then a mod should really give you an award.
 
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