[Discussion] so what exactly happened to Madara's eyes?

[Byron123]

I'm beginning to think that there is a mistake as for how exactly Madara stayed during his end of life with only his left eye.

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At this moment I believe that Madara didn't steal any eyes but he rather made use of all his 4 he had, his original pair and his EMS which came by implanting Izuna's.

Here we see that Madara awakened his rinnegan when he was close to his death

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Here you can see Madara' EMS, I just point it, to show that at this moment he already has it.

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Here we can see that Madara is getting impaled by Hashirama and according to Hashirama, that time he really had killed him.

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So I that at that time, the only way Madara could get out alive without being noticed would be to use Izanagi and that's how he must have lost his right eye.

HOWEVER

When it comes to Nagato, Nagato has a pair of rinnegan. Madara couldn't have transplanted his only left eye, his rinnegan, because one eye can't become 2 (You don't say). My point is that I believe that instead of that, he transplanted his original eyes, the ones he had spared since he was using Izuna's and that's how he kept his only rinnegan.By doing that,nagato's sharingan would transform into rinnegan. However during his whole life he has been seen with Sharingan. Can it be possible that he just he didn't use it during that time? Let's say it is. But this doesn't explain why Obito didn't use it when he implanted to him, to avoid getting killed by Konan's attack by using Izanagi, maybe he couldn't change from Sharingan to Rinnegan? I really don't know.

For those who will say that Madara jsut stole someone's eyes, neither that is the case. The fact that madara had only one eye when he died and the fact that he mysteriously escaped from death can't be a coincidence, he reall must have used Izanagi and so he really must have left with only one of his EMS, which it later became rinnegan. So, no matter how many eyes he might have gotten, he couldn't provide Nagato with a pair of riinnegan. And in fact, what I said about Nagato's transplanted sharingan transformed into rinnegan probably is wrong since we don't really know for sure. I mean we have seen a non uchiha evolving his sharingan to EMS,Kakashis but we really can't know how exactly it happend.


To sum it all up, I reached a dead-end because I can't find a link between what happened to Madara's one rinnegan and how Nagato got his own pair since it seems that a non- uchiha can't trasform sharingan to rinnegan but rather can only have the potential to control an already unlocked one and we do know that at the end of his life Madara was left with only one rinnegan.

I'm really confused, can please somebody put the events in a chronological order that makes sense please?_@:_@:

 

[itachi4real]

Didnt read none of this s*** ... we jus had a thread like this not too long ago

 

[Urda]

Obviously some weird Hashirama DNA phenomenon which allow him to preserve his life.

 

[Byron123]

Didnt read none of this s*** ... we jus had a thread like this not too long ago

Thank you for informing that you didn't read it, I was really curious about it.

 

[yondaime4]

Are you saying kakashi has an ems? And is it proven?

 

[Wolfus]

Dude, as you can see, madara was wit a regular sharingan. He transplanted both his rinnegan to nagato, but he had some substitutes sharingans. He even told obito that he had "some extras", as it says in your scan.

 

[Urda]

Thank you for informing that you didn't read it, I was really curious about it.

You are looking way into it.

 

[Byron123]

Are you saying kakashi has an ems? And is it proven?

No! I'm saying that it was proved that evolved sharingan into MS

You are looking way into it.

Not really, such little details can become either a plot hole or a very well constructed plot.

Dude, as you can see, madara was wit a regular sharingan. He transplanted both his rinnegan to nagato, but he had some substitutes sharingans. He even told obito that he had "some extras", as it says in your scan.

You don't get what I'm saying. If we say that the magical way through which he survived from Hashirama's attack was using Izanagi then he sacrificed one of EMS, and so he was left with only one rinnegan, so how the one rinnean became 2 when it was trasplanted? Can an uzuamki evolve a sharingan to rinnegan to begin with or can he only use an already evolved rinnegan? If it's the second case then it wouldn't be possible to ue a pair of rinnegan sicne Madara would have only one available.

 

[Wolfus]

You don't get what I'm saying. If we say that the magical way through which he survived from Hashirama's attack was using Izanagi then he sacrificed one of EMS, and so he was left with only one rinnegan, so how the one rinnean became 2 when it was trasplanted? Can an uzuamki evolve a sharingan to rinnegan to begin with or can he only use an already evolved rinnegan? If it's the second case then it wouldn't be possible to ue a pair of rinnegan sicne Madara would have only one available.

We don't know if he used izanagi or not. This was not stated in the manga, so we can't just assume it was. Maybe it was a genjutsu. The thing is, we don't know, so we have to wait.

 

[Byron123]

We don't know if he used izanagi or not. This was not stated in the manga, so we can't just assume it was. Maybe it was a genjutsu. The thing is, we don't know, so we have to wait.

True but then again, seeing madara in his old days with only one eye does give a big hint towards this assumption.

 

[Urda]

You don't get what I'm saying. If we say that the magical way through which he survived from Hashirama's attack was using Izanagi then he sacrificed one of EMS, and so he was left with only one rinnegan, so how the one rinnean became 2 when it was trasplanted? Can an uzuamki evolve a sharingan to rinnegan to begin with or can he only use an already evolved rinnegan? If it's the second case then it wouldn't be possible to ue a pair of rinnegan sicne Madara would have only one available.

He did not use Izanagi, refer to above image. It was said he awaken Rinnegan shortly before his death. He it was later he gave both his real eyes to someone else and left with a spar.

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[yondaime4]

Madara gave his eyes to izuna, and izuna will be revived with ems, how would madara give his rinnegan to nagato if he only had one?

its more likely that ems doesnt lose their light when using izanagi only becomes inaccessable for a long time like KA in shisuis eye but who knows but it wouldnt be hard for madara to aquire a sharingan even hooked up to the gedo he could kill a weak uchiha without ms

 

[TaBaYo]

Ur first thought hole, is we dint know how he survived hashi, whether by izanagi or by samfyn else. All dat we kno is he transplanted bof his eyes to Nagato, at dat tyme he lost his two renigan eyes, which meant he had to obtain extra eyes. By da tyme he met obito, he had obtained only one which i am pretty sure Obito tuk from him aftaeards which he used against Konan.

 

[Byron123]

He did not use Izanagi, refer to above image. It was said he awaken Rinnegan shortly before his death. He it was later he gave both his real eyes to someone else and left with a spar.

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In the page you posted Madar didn't go into details so it's not like that it means that he didn't. Also, how else would he loose an eye then if not for that? Too coincidential if you ask me. Also, what he said about awaking the rinnegan shortly before his death, if you see one of the pages I posted, you'll see that he doesn't show both of his eyes so it can be that he only awakened the rinnegan in one of his eyes since the other was sacrificed for the Izanagi.

 

[Byron123]

Ur first thought hole, is we dint know how he survived hashi, whether by izanagi or by samfyn else. All dat we kno is he transplanted bof his eyes to Nagato, at dat tyme he lost his two renigan eyes, which meant he had to obtain extra eyes. By da tyme he met obito, he had obtained only one which i am pretty sure Obito tuk from him aftaeards which he used against Konan.

You forget that when he "supposedly" died he had his EMS. Also, as for stealing from other his eye, don't forget that he also had his original ones. When he has EMS, it means that he only uses Izuna's eyes. So to return to our point, how exactly he lost by chance one of his eyes and how exactly he surived from Hashirama's attack if not for that? Don't forget that since he had his spared ones, if he had given both of Izuna's as you suggest, he still would have both of his old ones, not just one of them.

 

[Urda]

In the page you posted Madar didn't go into details so it's not like that it means that he didn't. Also, how else would he loose an eye then if not for that? Too coincidential if you ask me. Also, what he said about awaking the rinnegan shortly before his death, if you see one of the pages I posted, you'll see that he doesn't show both of his eyes so it can be that he only awakened the rinnegan in one of his eyes since the other was sacrificed for the Izanagi.

Manga states he escape death. Any predictions how he further escape is irrelevant because we did not need to know. Later it was stated his gave his real eyes to someone. Zestu later explains to Obito that Madara gave his eyes to Nagato:

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Thus, the spare eye Madara has. Do we need to know who or what happen for him to obtain the spare eye? No. Why do you want more from the story?

 

[AzR]

if madara awaken his rinnegan right before his death then the question whether he used izanagi after the fight is utterly nonsense.. he might survived with countless ways but according to canon, he definitely didnt use izanagi..

 

[GOD2U]

My only problem with this theory is that madara's original eyes were blind. How was nagato able to see out of them?

 

[TaBaYo]

You forget that when he "supposedly" died he had his EMS. Also, as for stealing from other his eye, don't forget that he also had his original ones. When he has EMS, it means that he only uses Izuna's eyes. So to return to our point, how exactly he lost by chance one of his eyes and how exactly he surived from Hashirama's attack if not for that? Don't forget that since he had his spared ones, if he had given both of Izuna's as you suggest, he still would have both of his old ones, not just one of them.

Cqn u xplain how dey stack up on dia eyes? Wif the Izuna eye fyn, i fynk obito was lying his ass off wen he sed dat bcos he also sed Madara killd izuna to obtain dat, but from da flash bak it wasnt so. I fynk wen u transplant sam oda eye, dey merge, dey dun still remain as seperate entity from ur original eyes.

 

[AzR]

Manga states he escape death. Any predictions how he further escape is irrelevant because we did not need to know. Later it was stated his gave his real eyes to someone. Zestu later explains to Obito that Madara gave his eyes to Nagato:

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Thus, the spare eye Madara has. Do we need to know who or what happen for him to obtain the spare eye? No. Why do you want more from the story?

i want to add.. if madara used izanagi, there wont be any 'wound' right? but in the panel, madara did said he tried to transplant hashi's cell in his wound... so nahh, madara didnt used izanagi