[Discussion] so what exactly happened to Madara's eyes?

[timoy]

Nice theory bro, you have some points.

As for me, I understand it as Madara surviving his battle with Hashirama, then living in difficulty and pain thus awekening rinnegen (his own set of eyes). Summoning the Gedo Mazo, then "transplanting" his rinnegan eyes to Nagato. And the only way he could do this without Nagato knowing is through Izanagi.

Thus when he transferred his original eyes (with rinnegan), he used the spare eye to perform Izanagi which explains why in the panel one of his eyes was closed.

 

[thetruth0025]

Yah sometimes I wonder also...why would madara only show one eye???

Madara didn't use izanagi to escape death versus hashi. If he did why would his body still suffer the injuries because izanagi erases everything that isn't beneficial to the user. So that's proof he didn't use it. Madara held on through sheer willpower like when oro was waiting to take sasuke body and even kabuto said oro should've been dead but his willpower kept him alive.

as for the one eye part...the reason is because like madara said he has to absorb chakra from that thing to stay alive. And he is still very weak even while absorbing it. the sharigan consumes chakra when activated even on uchihas even though its less it still drains chakra. like when sasuke used all his chakra against itachi his sharigan left because he had no chakra to use it. So madara only using one eye is to be able to have a sharigan without burning to much chakra that he needs to survive.

 

[Byron123]

Madara didn't use izanagi to escape death versus hashi. If he did why would his body still suffer the injuries because izanagi erases everything that isn't beneficial to the user. So that's proof he didn't use it. Madara held on through sheer willpower like when oro was waiting to take sasuke body and even kabuto said oro should've been dead but his willpower kept him alive.

as for the one eye part...the reason is because like madara said he has to absorb chakra from that thing to stay alive. And he is still very weak even while absorbing it. the sharigan consumes chakra when activated even on uchihas even though its less it still drains chakra. like when sasuke used all his chakra against itachi his sharigan left because he had no chakra to use it. So madara only using one eye is to be able to have a sharigan without burning to much chakra that he needs to survive.

That theory doesn't make sense because the Uchiha can deactive their sharingan so it's not like that they're forced to sue them and therefore to consume chakra for that.

 

[Rokudaime Hokage Naruto]

Because nobody has ever before survived being stabbed through the chest.

Your whole mistake theory hinges on Izanagi, when realistically he just survived.

Edit: the reason Madara was stabbed was because he had been fighting so long, that he couldn't use his sharingan so couldn't tell the difference between Hashirama's wood clone and the real version, so how did he use Izanagi?

GG thread.

 

[Draxus]

Nice theory bro, you have some points.

As for me, I understand it as Madara surviving his battle with Hashirama, then living in difficulty and pain thus awekening rinnegen (his own set of eyes). Summoning the Gedo Mazo, then "transplanting" his rinnegan eyes to Nagato. And the only way he could do this without Nagato knowing is through Izanagi.

Thus when he transferred his original eyes (with rinnegan), he used the spare eye to perform Izanagi which explains why in the panel one of his eyes was closed.

Izanagi doesn't work that way. It's a genjutsu the user places on themselves so it could be used to transplant someone else's eyes. He could have easily put Nagato to sleep with genjutsu then trans planted the eyes

 

[Orochimagus]

The overlapping patterns of the EMS and the ogre statues with four eyes that show when Itachi first mentions it strongly hint that the EMS is merely two MS overlapping (or fused) over each other. Basically the COST to create the EMS is to sacrifice a pair of MS. All Uchiha power ups come from the concept of "loss" such as "gaining love and losing it". As such, a pair of MS is lost in order to make an MS that does not lose its light.

In short, Nagato's Rinnegan are Madara and Izuna's fused eyes after they had access to Senju DNA. That eye Madara has there is a fodder eye he popped in after he gave up the Rinnegan.

 

[PIOLO]

He did not use Izanagi, refer to above image. It was said he awaken Rinnegan shortly before his death. He it was later he gave both his real eyes to someone else and left with a spar.

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meaning he did not die at the time of battle with hashi... when he transfer his dna, nothing happens but natural life span was completely gone he unlock the rinnegan, while nearing his life span he still has a chakra to summon the mazou... and that mazou at that time give some benefits to madara in order to repay him.......:bouncy:

 

[Byron123]

Because nobody has ever before survived being stabbed through the chest.

Your whole mistake theory hinges on Izanagi, when realistically he just survived.

Edit: the reason Madara was stabbed was because he had been fighting so long, that he couldn't use his sharingan so couldn't tell the difference between Hashirama's wood clone and the real version, so how did he use Izanagi?

GG thread.

and what about him staying with only an eye? How that came? If he did steal frmm somebody, wouldn't he steal the whole pair instead of just one?

 

[Draxus]

and what about him staying with only an eye? How that came? If he did steal frmm somebody, wouldn't he steal the whole pair instead of just one?

Maybe the Uchia lost his eye in the battle. It's not like Madara needed two.

 

[Gulvklud]

wow this thread is full of fail....

Did it occur to any of you that the one eye might actually be his own eye?? the pair of rinnigan eyes are afterall his brother izunas originally....

 

[Draxus]

wow this thread is full of fail....

Did it occur to any of you that the one eye might actually be his own eye?? the pair of rinnigan eyes are afterall his brother izunas originally....

2 reasons off the top my head...
1. So he kept eyes he never intended to use for decades?

2. No MS shown

 

[hearteaterx]

So basically rinnegan is unlocked when an EMS is implanted in a Senju. Makes sense.

 

[veggetta13]

Obito is an untalented lucky bastard.
Madara must have kept both pair of eyes for his use, and later transplant to Nagato.
I agree with the reasoning that leads concluding, Madara used Izanagi during his last fight with Hashirama boy, however I do not understand why he was so weakened, if he only lost one eye, plus being an Uchiha gives him if not a long life an intense chakra. You might lose the doujutsu, but life-force?

Yes, plus having Nagato being taught by a jutsu monster such as Jiraiya must have been part of something planned, though I don´t dare to bet if we´ll be guided that way by Kishimoto. At this moment such info seems irrelevant though there could be a plot hole

 

[Byron123]

2 reasons off the top my head...
1. So he kept eyes he never intended to use for decades?

2. No MS shown

Apart from that, Madara was supposed to be blind at a moment so even if he used his real eye, then it would have been blind as well.

 

[Orochimagus]

You just need to pay more attention to the manga. Izanagi would have nullified all of the damage Hashirama had created. He also did not obtain Hashirama's DNA until AFTER that fight. Madara did not have access to Izanagi nor did he use it or he would not have been able to attain the Rinnegan.

MS + MS = EMS ; The eyes fuse and create an overlapping pattern. Two eyes are lost in the process or else people would only SWITCH eyes and that would be STUPID.
EMS + Senjuice = Rinnegan ; You need to have Hashirama release himself on a EMS to ovulate a Rinnegan.

 

[Draxus]

You just need to pay more attention to the manga. Izanagi would have nullified all of the damage Hashirama had created. He also did not obtain Hashirama's DNA until AFTER that fight. Madara did not have access to Izanagi nor did he use it or he would not have been able to attain the Rinnegan.

MS + MS = EMS ; The eyes fuse and create an overlapping pattern. Two eyes are lost in the process or else people would only SWITCH eyes and that would be STUPID.
EMS + Senjuice = Rinnegan ; You need to have Hashirama release himself on a EMS to ovulate a Rinnegan.

We don't know if that is true that you need Eternal MS to get Rinnegan. Madara hypothesized Obitio may eventually get his own Rinnegan eventually and he only has MS. That doesn't mean I agree with the OP by any means, there a plenty of other holes in his theory.

 

[Naru2GT]

Here's my theory: Madara created black zetsu. Zetsu helped Madara after Hashi/Madara fight. Zetsu stole Hashi DNA. Madara created white/black zetsu. Zetsu transplant Hashi DNA to Madara. Madara near death acquired the rinnegan. He attached gedo to himself to sustain life. Zetsu found nagato brought him to madara. Madara transplant rinnegan to Nagato. Madara used his father's eye or zetsu stole it from an uchiha fodder.

 

[Byron123]

You just need to pay more attention to the manga. Izanagi would have nullified all of the damage Hashirama had created. He also did not obtain Hashirama's DNA until AFTER that fight. Madara did not have access to Izanagi nor did he use it or he would not have been able to attain the Rinnegan.

MS + MS = EMS ; The eyes fuse and create an overlapping pattern. Two eyes are lost in the process or else people would only SWITCH eyes and that would be STUPID.
EMS + Senjuice = Rinnegan ; You need to have Hashirama release himself on a EMS to ovulate a Rinnegan.

I do pay attention but at this point I was confused so I didn't think about some details.

Here's my theory: Madara created black zetsu. Zetsu helped Madara after Hashi/Madara fight. Zetsu stole Hashi DNA. Madara created white/black zetsu. Zetsu transplant Hashi DNA to Madara. Madara near death acquired the rinnegan. He attached gedo to himself to sustain life. Zetsu found nagato brought him to madara. Madara transplant rinnegan to Nagato. Madara used his father's eye or zetsu stole it from an uchiha fodder.

W already know that Black Zetsu was created by Madara when Obito was about to take his place, so it's not the case.