so was hiruzen stronger than madara and hirashima

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Erm okay. Dunno what itachi has to do with this thread, but okayyy :shrug:

im sorry but your trying to say that Haruzen isn't stronger than Hashirama even though it has been stated and I know your an avid Itachi fanboy who constantly downplays Hashirama all the time with no proof.
 

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hay hay im tired of my on thread all I was saying was hiruzen COULD BE the strongest in naruto outside of SO6p ok....stop it getting tired of this pointless arguing wit no facts
 

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Without even referring to his hype, could you explain what happened to the next gen surpassing the previous one? Or is that now irrelevant in your eyes?

The next generation theme in my eyes is used as a tool to inspire pupils at the academy. If you look at the facts the next generation do not surpass the previous.

Example the uchiha clan of the past during the days of the senju would easily defeat the uchiha clan that itachi and tobi slaughtered.

Next a fodder during the time of constant war where there a need to get stronger, will defeat a current fodder.

Now you have hailed hiruzen as the strongest hokage and now in your post tried to bring up the next gen surpassing the previous nonsense. But if thats true and thats what you believe then you are contracditing yourself. It thats what you belief then you should be saying minato or perhaps tsunade is the strongest hokage.

Add the fact that the previous kages wouldve done so much better than the current kages, that statement about current gen surpassing the previous shouldnt be taken seriously. If anything applies to a handful of ninja's

im sorry but your trying to say that Haruzen isn't stronger than Hashirama even though it has been stated and I know your an avid Itachi fanboy who constantly downplays Hashirama all the time with no proof.

I didnt say hiruzen was stronger than hashirama :flaw:.
Downplay Hashirama?. He is actually joint with hiruzen as my favourite kage, but also i dont down play his abilities. :shrug:
 
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The problem is that Sarutobi is the only hokage that was said to be the "strongest hokage". Hashirama was said to be a fairy tale and strongest at his time, Minato had the potential to surpass but he died early and was said to be a genius. But sarutobi was said to be the "Strongest hokage", only him was directly compared to the other hokages and iruka, databook and even kabuto told orochimaru that he is the strongest. :shrug:
I dont know why but i personally think that hashirama and minato are stronger. :rolleyes:
 

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hay hay im tired of my on thread all i was saying was hiruzen could be the strongest in naruto outside of so6p ok....stop it getting tired of this pointless arguing wit no facts

yep ur right bro hiruzen pwns sosp because he is also a god of shinonbi hes just absolutely flawless so he doesnt need kkg the power of george michael is much more better herpppp
 

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according to kishi and hype he was stronger than hashirama...
idk about madara





interesting.. haven't seen that once in the manga.. link?

funny madara said it about 50 million times he himself is a fanboy of hashi
 

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The next generation theme in my eyes is used as a tool to inspire pupils at the academy. If you look at the facts the next generation do not surpass the previous.

Example the uchiha clan of the past during the days of the senju would easily defeat the uchiha clan that itachi and tobi slaughtered.

Next a fodder during the time of constant war where there a need to get stronger, will defeat a current fodder.

Now you have hailed hiruzen as the strongest hokage and now in your post tried to bring up the next gen surpassing the previous nonsense. But if thats true and thats what you believe then you are contracditing yourself. It thats what you belief then you should be saying minato or perhaps tsunade is the strongest hokage.

Add the fact that the previous kages wouldve done so much better than the current kages, that statement about current gen surpassing the previous shouldnt be taken seriously. If anything applies to a handful of ninja's

Manga did.

Minato would've surpassed him had he not died so young, i'm sure of that. Tsunade is not actually the next gen, she was the gen before Minato. Plus, Kishi trolls chicks so don't take her too seriously.

Either way, manga has said what it has said, don't see why so many people have a problem accepting it.
 
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i don't even see the points of these threads anymore if you have people thinking hiruzen pwns everyone excluding sosp, whats there to debate about?
i have stopped taking so many people serious and i have stopped even caring about these overused threads all the time, move on make a new interesting thread instead of hanging on 1 thing the whole time
 

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The next generation theme in my eyes is used as a tool to inspire pupils at the academy. If you look at the facts the next generation do not surpass the previous.

Example the uchiha clan of the past during the days of the senju would easily defeat the uchiha clan that itachi and tobi slaughtered.

Next a fodder during the time of constant war where there a need to get stronger, will defeat a current fodder.

Now you have hailed hiruzen as the strongest hokage and now in your post tried to bring up the next gen surpassing the previous nonsense. But if thats true and thats what you believe then you are contracditing yourself. It thats what you belief then you should be saying minato or perhaps tsunade is the strongest hokage.

Add the fact that the previous kages wouldve done so much better than the current kages, that statement about current gen surpassing the previous shouldnt be taken seriously. If anything applies to a handful of ninja's

That doesn't make sense. Tsunade was the generation before Minato. And the only reason the Uchiha clan would not be stronger than the previous one is because it was not living in a war torn land.

If Minato had lived longer he would have been much stronger than Haruzen but he didn't so...

Naruto surpassed Jariya and Minato

Sasuke surpassed Oro and almost Itachi

The next generation will eventually surpass the last.
 

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Manga did.

Minato would've surpassed him had he not died so young, i'm sure of that. Tsunade is not actually the next gen, she was the gen before Minato.

Either way, manga has said what it has said, don't see why so many people have a problem accepting it.

Im the type to get annoyed when i keep on hearing the same thing over and over again especially when the people for that thing bring up very little evidence. The manga has said a whole load of nonsense, yes nonsense that shouldnt be taken seriously. From people's opinion, to false hype, liars.

Im not necessarily disagreeing, but once i keep on hearing the same old argument which to me isnt enough to warrant hiruzen the strongest hokage title i get slightly annoyed.

That doesn't make sense. Tsunade was the generation before Minato. And the only reason the Uchiha clan would not be stronger than the previous one is because it was not living in a war torn land.

If Minato had lived longer he would have been much stronger than Haruzen but he didn't so...

Naruto surpassed Jariya and Minato

Sasuke surpassed Oro and almost Itachi

The next generation will eventually surpass the last.

Im not here to discuss this next generation nonsense. Just saying if you look at the facts its more of an inspiration tool
 
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Im the type to get annoyed when i keep on hearing the same thing over and over again especially when the people for that thing bring up very little evidence. The manga has said a whole load of nonsense, yes nonsense that shouldnt be taken seriously. From people's opinion, to false hype, liars.

Im not necessarily disagreeing, but once i keep on hearing the same old argument which to me isnt enough to warrant hiruzen the strongest hokage title i get slightly annoyed.

Too bad, it's the only legit argument i've heard.
 

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He might of been he was pretty impressive in the fight against orochimaru and that's when he was very old.
 

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rock lee (part 1 version) would destroy every one so suck on those...
 

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Basic answer: We don't know

It's possible that he could be, as it was said earlier in the manga and the DB. Kishi may choose to stick to that, or lead back into the Hashirama and Madara hype and make them the big bad-asses.
 

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no matter how you see it, hiruzen stil beat tobirama and hashirama.
 

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he actually lost in order to gain the rinnegan and wood styles. personally i see no way hiruzen was stronger than either of them, but then again we've never seen much of his strength period.
 
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