so was hiruzen stronger than madara and hirashima
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Kazekage35
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Oh ya how could I be mistaken! Use of wood style creating entire forests and possession and control of tailed beasts is weak...
blackbird31468
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the wood caused barely any destruction unlike what madara used. madara didn't use any fire style or susasno'o and they were mainly using weapons. and hashirama occasionally used blocks of wood like what yamato used.
Rike Senju
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Well kishi just changed his mind of hiruzen being the strongest because manga is updated weekly by kishi unlike databooks which are updated every years or so. So imo no hiruzen is not the strongest hokage.
blackbird31468
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Well technically it has never been stated that Hashirama was the strongest hokage.
uffylanesnyder
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kishi literally changed his mind halfway into part 2 lol simple as that. he wasnt planning that far ahead when oro was fighting hiruzen, i dont think he realized how intricate his plot would become in the future
kishi had most his plot down already.. the whole itachi being good, sasuke leaving with oro,
the entire first hokage vs madara thing .....a writer does not make up as he goes.. and if he does, its minute details and quick changes
uffylanesnyder
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you're generalizing heavily..who's to say which subtle tweaks and adjustments to the plot kishi conceived post chapter 400. its only logical to believe his story would naturally evolve in order to the achieve the most plausible effect/emotion in context and in the grand scheme of things.
there is no way hiruzen is stronger than madara..let alone hashi lmao just no.
eh? kk kishi , sorry for doubting you..
just know kishi knew what he was doing when he put that into the databook.. when its clear he had thought about each hokage... minato was mentioned several times... the hokage being revived, madara vs hashirama fight creating the massive valley of the end... yet though that was all stated he still put that in the databook
Tazzilla88
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So Madara is Hashirama + Madara+ New Rinnegan. Which means take away the rinnegan, take away the edo tensei, then take away mokuton and you get A really good Uchiha... or Madara in his prime. Use only Mokuton, water, Earth and Healing and you have Hashirama.
lol ohhhh you fool.. "people" .. hahaha that's like the worst fanboy defense in the world.. people.. lol.. other fanboys are the people that say that "so no hehe"...
My opinion is fanboyless I base it solely on the fact that the third has been called the greatest kage by more than one character in the series not to mention he took on partial first kage, second kage, and oro who was easily kage level. All three of them combined at the age of 69 HAH.
I am not a fanboy of hiruzen, I think he should have chose his successor long before he hit that age. But I am just callin it like i sees it, not listening to silly threads started by other fanboys.
I was looking at something that said hiruzen (in his prime) was the strongest hokage the leaf ever had so doesnt that mean he was stronger than both madar and hirashima
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NO he is not > Hashirama or Madara
