[Spoilers] So was Ace near admiral level

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I mean he equaled Akoji (I know he had the elemental advantage) but then Akainu completely nullified his flames (again Akainu had the elemental advantage)

And he was the second division commander while Marco was the 1st division commander so he most likely was one of the stronger commanders.
 
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Marinford doesn't prove jack shit. Ace was tortured for days (or weeks?) at Impel Down.

Not sure if he's weaker or stronger than admirals but with strong Haki (CoO,CoA) he shouldn't be weaker than any of them.
 

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ace was def on admiral level because he was stronger then aokiji elemental advantage or not the biggest reason the admirals are so strong is only cuz of there logia fruit anyway without it there chumps imo
 

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This is funny (and not funny as in haha), close to a hour ago I posted in the "Zoro vs Sanji" thread about these same types of topics. People are using the Naruto mindset in these discussions (and I don't mean it as an insult or trolling), who is on kage level, who is on tail beast level, etc. That is all fine and dandy for naruto, it compliments it but for One Piece you shouldn't go in with that mindset. Admiral is just a rank. Garp is a perfect example, he was offered the position of Admiral and he turned it down and this was before Borsalino, Sakazuki or Kuzan was even offered the rank but is he weaker than them? I guess for some, that question is debatable.

I'm not trying to take away from the position, the rank of Admiral is the strongest fighters in the marines but you have to look at the characters individually.
 
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Akainu took on Marco and the whitebeard pirates at once so is ace admiral level? Not even close.
The admirals were just playing around with the commanders, except for Aokiji who was serious against Jozu but otherwise it seemed as though they weren´t even trying and ace got cocky which led to akainu stomping his ass.
 

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Ace wasn't on any of the Admirals' fighting levels. Ace just happened to match Aokiji's DF good.
Akainu beats Aokiji = they are almost equal

Ace beats Aokiji (tho, he didn't) = he's not on admiral level

If he can beat admiral, he's admiral level. There's no way to go around it.

The only reason people look down upon Ace is because he lost to Blackbeard, who's a major troll and pretends to be hurt when in fact he is a freaking beast and can tank Whitebeard (Akainu had to crawl away from him like a cockroach), Sengoku, Ace, Luffy G2 and be fine after a short time.
 
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Akainu beats Aokiji = they are almost equal

Ace beats Aokiji (tho, he didn't) = he's not on admiral level

If he can beat admiral, he's admiral level. There's no way to go around it.

The only reason people look down upon Ace is because he lost to Blackbeard, who's a major troll and pretends to be hurt when in fact he is a freaking beast and can tank Whitebeard (Akainu had to crawl away from him like a cockroach), Sengoku, Ace, Luffy G2 and be fine after a short time.
At the bolded part....Blackbeard would have been killed....
And he never pretends to be hurt.
 

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At the bolded part....Blackbeard would have been killed....
And he never pretends to be hurt.
Obviosly Whitebeard could kill Blackbeard but the fact remains, Blackbeard tanked his attack and after few minutes he was tanking Buddha Sengoku and wrecking Marinford. His incredible resistance does not add up with his act, that's what makes me believe he's trolling. Anyway, he's way stronger than he looks.



Even Shanks says Teach is not who he pretends to be. His act, wheter it was real or not, actually saved him. If admirals went after him he wouldn't have survived Marinford but instead they considered Luffy to be a bigger threat than Blackbeard.
 

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Akainu beats Aokiji = they are almost equal

Ace beats Aokiji (tho, he didn't) = he's not on admiral level

If he can beat admiral, he's admiral level. There's no way to go around it.

The only reason people look down upon Ace is because he lost to Blackbeard, who's a major troll and pretends to be hurt when in fact he is a freaking beast and can tank Whitebeard (Akainu had to crawl away from him like a cockroach), Sengoku, Ace, Luffy G2 and be fine after a short time.
I think Akainu would lose to Blackbeard too.

Anyway, he hasn't "beaten" Aokiji in the true sense of the word, so I don't think he's "Admiral level" if there's ever such one.
 

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Akainu took on Marco and the whitebeard pirates at once so is ace admiral level? Not even close.
The admirals were just playing around with the commanders, except for Aokiji who was serious against Jozu but otherwise it seemed as though they weren´t even trying and ace got cocky which led to akainu stomping his ass.
huh??????? Ace didnt get cocky he got pissed off and Magma beats Fire and Akainu took on the Whitebeard pirates most of them are weak! and wtf if u say the admirals were playing around with the commanders then Marco was playing around with Kizaru cause Kizaru got pwned by Marco Kizaru even had that ah crap i just got my *** wooped face..... Marco could go one on one with Akainu Ace was just unlucky cause he had to fight someone who's devil fruit ability could beat his in a one on one situation... id say Ace is admiral level... actually there shouldnt be an admiral level..... wats an admiral level even supposed to be? only those three admirals that fought then yes i think he is
 
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huh??????? Ace didnt get cocky he got pissed off and Magma beats Fire and Akainu took on the Whitebeard pirates most of them are weak! and wtf if u say the admirals were playing around with the commanders then Marco was playing around with Kizaru cause Kizaru got pwned by Marco Kizaru even had that ah crap i just got my *** wooped face..... Marco could go one on one with Akainu Ace was just unlucky cause he had to fight someone who's devil fruit ability could beat his in a one on one situation... id say Ace is admiral level
Bolded: Add to that the fact that he spent weeks (one or two?) at the last level of Impel Down, where he was physically and psycologically tortured. Not to mention he probably never got proper treatment after being beaten by Blackbeard.

Personally, I think admiral level is a very vague term... just like "shichibukai" level. They're different people with different abilities. They're different levels. If your question is "was Ace near Akainu level?" or "was Ace near Aokiji level?" then that's an entirely different story. Structure your questions correctly.
 

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Eh, read the thread.



Ace is NOT Admiral level, or can beat either one of the Admirals.

I mean, Apoo managed to hit Kizaru, is he "Admiral level"?

Ace just happened to find a good match for his DF.
 

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his definitely admiral level. yes magma brat had the elemental advantage but ace was lyk at 10% of his strength, and even then he only died saving luffy. if it was a man-to-man fight it'd probably be a draw. magma brat knew that thats why he could let the opportunity get by hence why he started talking trash about WB
 
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