So sad how Tobi is under appreciated

[Rikudou Tobi]

I would've prefered Obito over Madara as the Final Villain since he was the one who we had been seeing all this time. All Madara did was come along and take all the credit.

Regardless, I would've prefered for Kishi to have handled him differently once unmasked. I know the actual reason he started all that wasn't because if Rin but her death was what led to a warped mentality. He did that to get rid of the current world responsible for all that misery. Madara helped him see that and Obito helped Nagato see that.

Here's the thing though. Kishi overdid it with the Rin thing. Sure he made sure to let us know that Rin wasn't the sole reason but in the end, he overdid it regardless and it gave that impression.

That's my take on his character. If giving credit where it's due is what you're refering to, i'll refer to the first paragraph. I do give him credit which is why I'd prefer him over Madara. Since Obito was the one doing all this.

Keep in mind that Madara isn't just some powerhungry typical villain. In his eyes, just like Obito, he thought he was the one doing the right thing.

And thank you. You are one of the few that provided a legitimate answer to this thread. Because that's what I'm saying too, just give credit to where credit is do. He's not a horrible shinobi, his skill sets are amazing as a shinobi and one of the best well diverse in the series. They did indeed overdo the rin thing and I agree that they gave madara too much credit for basically doing nothing while taking credit for it.

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Madara being shallow but cool is all this series needed, pseudo-philosophical baggage was never welome. The nonsense complaining that wasted 40+ chapters with Naruto and Obito yelling at each other only for this 30+ evil plan to end up culminating in the nonsense that was Naruto admiring him was absolutely comedic. Obito is a trash villain, and Naruto is a bigger trash main character.

well what do you know?...I completely disagree

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Kishi writing that down is a about as relevant as him saying Neji is a genius, SasuNaru are best pals, or that Sakura surpassed Tsunade. In other words, the guy knows he failed to convince the readers of what he wants to convey, so he just shoves it down our throats. Its always like that with him always saying, never showing.

Disagree, being shown Obito's whole backstory and thinking the death of a girl was the only factor shows failure to grasp the character. Surface-level motivation because nobody gave Obito post-reveal a second thought or tried to understand him. Rin's a metaphor and everything Obito said is in-character with what we know about his actions post flashback.

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Rin is clearly a metaphor. He even admits he sees the Rin who died to be a fake. That alone is an interesting look-in to his Class A delusion right there.

'Never showing?'

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This whole chapter showed the moment of Obito's self-doubt through visual storytelling. Obito sees his younger self punching him when Naruto whacks him. This is a huge chapter for changing action.

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Same here. Whole chapter on Obito literally pulling himself back together with his will, action-
not monologue. The dreamworld with Rin/Kakashi/Minato turning also fits this. It might not be necessarily good development for you but it IS subtle and it is there.

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I guess when you go for the late-game reveal of your FV's identity you're bound to lose people, but erasing everything that came before is lame. In a series where Uchiha are one-note elitists with similar backstories, excuse me for appreciating the care he took in exploring Obito's motivation in the War arc.

Everything post-defeat? Gotta agree. Naruto going to 'the coolest guy' that so quickly was a result of rushed pacing more than anything else IMO, when you have 5 chapters to wrap up- it's not the time for subtlety haha.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Disagree, being shown Obito's whole backstory and thinking the death of a girl was the only factor shows failure to grasp the character. Surface-level motivation because nobody gave Obito post-reveal a second thought or tried to understand him. Rin's a metaphor and everything Obito said is in-character with what we know about his actions post flashback.

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Rin is clearly a metaphor. He even admits he sees the Rin who died to be a fake. That alone is an interesting look-in to his Class A delusion right there.

'Never showing?'

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This whole chapter showed the moment of Obito's self-doubt through visual storytelling. Obito sees his younger self punching him when Naruto whacks him. This is a huge chapter for changing action.

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Same here. Whole chapter on Obito literally pulling himself back together with his will, action-
not monologue. The dreamworld with Rin/Kakashi/Minato turning also fits this. It might not be necessarily good development for you but it IS subtle and it is there.

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I guess when you go for the late-game reveal of your FV's identity you're bound to lose people, but erasing everything that came before is lame. In a series where Uchiha are one-note elitists with similar backstories, excuse me for appreciating the care he took in exploring Obito's motivation in the War arc.

Everything post-defeat? Gotta agree. Naruto going to 'the coolest guy' that so quickly was a result of rushed pacing more than anything else IMO, when you have 5 chapters to wrap up- it's not the time for subtlety haha.

No, all he ever cared for was Rin, even dying that's all it ever was. His redemption was utter idiocy when he spent 30+ years killing people he knew, torturing and manipulating people only to be turned over at the peak of his plan by a dumb kid. He is the worst villain in this entire series.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

No, all he ever cared for was Rin, even dying that's all it ever was. His redemption was utter idiocy when he spent 30+ years killing people he knew, torturing and manipulating people only to be turned over at the peak of his plan by a dumb kid. He is the worst villain in this entire series.

I don't want to sound like a snob but that's surface-level comprehension. I'd go into more detail if I weren't repeating myself.

 

[kiiro]

Obito is top ten for me. He is the best from the best, better than Hashirama. Obito is on par with Kakashi in taijutsu, and Kakashi is almost like Gai without gates. So he is very great at Taijutsu.

His ninjutsus is very good and unique since he has Kamui as you show. Also knows a lot of jutsus. He very good, good enough to not being touched by anyone else besides Minato. Not even a Jinchuriki Madara could touch him.

He also has a lot of chakra, durability of pain, he can even heal fast and he is smart.

Base Obito:

Category:	Score:
Ninjutsu:	5 +S
Taijutsu:	4.5
Genjutsu:	5
Intelligence:	4.5
Strength:	4
Speed:	4.5
Stamina:	5 +S
Seals:	5
Total:	37.5 ++S

What does each statistic stand for?

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It is clear that Obito has more than 5 points in stamina since he summon Kurama with ease and it is like 2.5 or 3 times bigger than a Boss Summon which you need at least 3.5 points of chakra. Also, +S in a category shows in which category he is a master a reasons he is a S ninja


Explanation

Obito at the age of 14 accomplish those feats, summoning Kurama, beating ambu like gennins. Traspasing barriers well he was already an S ninja because his kamui, he would already beat ninjas level kage at that age and 17 years later he will confront an shinobi army without a scratch.

 

[kiiro]

Disagree, being shown Obito's whole backstory and thinking the death of a girl was the only factor shows failure to grasp the character. Surface-level motivation because nobody gave Obito post-reveal a second thought or tried to understand him. Rin's a metaphor and everything Obito said is in-character with what we know about his actions post flashback.

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Rin is clearly a metaphor. He even admits he sees the Rin who died to be a fake. That alone is an interesting look-in to his Class A delusion right there.

'Never showing?'

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This whole chapter showed the moment of Obito's self-doubt through visual storytelling. Obito sees his younger self punching him when Naruto whacks him. This is a huge chapter for changing action.

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Same here. Whole chapter on Obito literally pulling himself back together with his will, action-
not monologue. The dreamworld with Rin/Kakashi/Minato turning also fits this. It might not be necessarily good development for you but it IS subtle and it is there.

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I guess when you go for the late-game reveal of your FV's identity you're bound to lose people, but erasing everything that came before is lame. In a series where Uchiha are one-note elitists with similar backstories, excuse me for appreciating the care he took in exploring Obito's motivation in the War arc.

Everything post-defeat? Gotta agree. Naruto going to 'the coolest guy' that so quickly was a result of rushed pacing more than anything else IMO, when you have 5 chapters to wrap up- it's not the time for subtlety haha.

That is not real, remember Madara put an evil seal on Obito so he technically didn't think in Rin, he was just overpower by the evil and revenge and hatred.

 

[Made in Heaven]

I don't want to sound like a snob but that's surface-level comprehension. I'd go into more detail if I weren't repeating myself.

Well, it's just a story in the end. Interpretations that differ are bound to arise.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Well, it's just a story in the end. Interpretations that differ are bound to arise.

Definitely, but it's like on the other thread. NaruHina is the most objectively explored pairing, but whether it's good or not is subjective. Obito is the most objectively explored villain, whether you like him or not is still anyone's choice but just the fact most people don't even give Kishi's most detailed motivation writing a chance is a shame.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Obito is top ten for me. He is the best from the best, better than Hashirama. Obito is on par with Kakashi in taijutsu, and Kakashi is almost like Gai without gates. So he is very great at Taijutsu.

His ninjutsus is very good and unique since he has Kamui as you show. Also knows a lot of jutsus. He very good, good enough to not being touched by anyone else besides Minato. Not even a Jinchuriki Madara could touch him.

He also has a lot of chakra, durability of pain, he can even heal fast and he is smart.

Base Obito:

Category:	Score:
Ninjutsu:	5 +S
Taijutsu:	4.5
Genjutsu:	5
Intelligence:	4.5
Strength:	4
Speed:	4.5
Stamina:	5 +S
Seals:	5
Total:	37.5 ++S

What does each statistic stand for?

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It is clear that Obito has more than 5 points in stamina since he summon Kurama with ease and it is like 2.5 or 3 times bigger than a Boss Summon which you need at least 3.5 points of chakra. Also, +S in a category shows in which category he is a master a reasons he is a S ninja


Explanation

Obito at the age of 14 accomplish those feats, summoning Kurama, beating ambu like gennins. Traspasing barriers well he was already an S ninja because his kamui, he would already beat ninjas level kage at that age and 17 years later he will confront an shinobi army without a scratch.

This is a interesting concept you have here and I'll look into it later. His taijutsu is pretty good but Kakashi is better at it especially improvising at the spot. Madara said that Obito/Tobi is mostly a planner and lays things out several steps ahead.

However yes, his ninjutsu skills at a young age should be noticed. The mokuton, the summoning, the yin yang release, his clan njutsu, and even the six path ones are something that is way beyond almost every shinobi has. Yet people forget what he did.