So PS > BSM in terms of defense? Still.

[shelke]

@FTG I believe what Ahmed is trying to say is that there is a huge difference between V1 and V2 attack and as I mentioned that the form was incomplete, the attacks weren't powerful enough. I think this is what he means...

 

[Brooks]

And this is what happened after the scan you posted

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They tanked it ( Manga fact )

And i already said V2 Juubi's TBB =/= V1 Juubi's TBB or laser or whatever

It's very clear that you don't under the different between the Juubi's own laser and Bijuudama....just because Naruto tanked a laser doesn't mean he can tank a Bijuudama from anyone form of the Juubi....compare a laser to a Bijuudama is like comparing Katon to Amaterasu(the different in power is huge).​

 

[Brooks]

@FTG I believe what Ahmed is trying to say is that there is a huge difference between V1 and V2 attack and as I mentioned that the form was incomplete, the attacks weren't powerful enough. I think this is what he means...

If that was what he was saying, then i misunderstood him.​

 

[Jobrjo]

The fact is that the more chakra put into it, the stronger the Susanoo. However, Biju Mode and Sage Mode are at a constant- or at least BM... now that I think of it I wonder if one was to gather natural energy longer if they could become much much stronger.... I wonder...

 

[xxSAGExx]

In no way shape or form. BSM Avatar destroyed, Susanoo destroyed. Naruto had it easier with the fall as his body is enhanced with SM thus he didnt lose it and lifted up some 30 sec before sasuke.

Sasuke standing up shortly after SM naruto actually indicates that susanoo held off better as we all know that SM naruto can take high altitude fall like nothing in SM, base sasuke cant.

Even if BSM was to be slightly durable then SM v3 i wouldnt care as PS trumps that easily.

You also have to take into consideration the fact that Naruto has being fighting a lot longer than Sasuke and wasn't at full power while Sasuke was in a better condition than him. Naruto was in intense training (with no rest mind you) before even going into the war where he used up a lot of chakra and was even injuried

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(used a ton of chakra which makes you exhausted) and

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(He got injured and told be no to taking a break). Then he split his power 1/13th when he made 12 clones

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and we know Naruto feels a percentage of what his clones feel and since they were all fighting he would feel exhausted even more which he shows right before going BM for the first time

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Naruto got healed by Sakura 2x after that and we know Tsunade make people rest for days to weeks even after they're healed because their bodies don't fully recover. We see this in part 1 with Naruto after his fight with Sasuke (VoTE), with Kakashi after using Kamui for the first time in Shippuden and Sasuke after he was healed from the wounds Itachi gave him when he followed Naruto to find Itachi.

Not only that but BSM wasn't even at full power, Kurama was in the process of trying to gather more chakra and when Naruto tried to go BM his KM went out completely

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. Then Yang Kurama got some chakra from Yin Kurama

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and after that Naruto and Minato gave a ton of chakra to the Shinobi alliance and Minato had to have used a lot of chakra to FTG them all away

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So Then Naruto and Minato went BSM/BM and used a Super Senjutsu Rasengan and Senjutsu tbb before having their chakra absorbed. Yin Kurama then gave the chakra he had left to Yang Kurama

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. Naruto uses his charka to increase the defensive capabilities as he did in page 4-8:

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. Then he tanks this

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for not only himself but over 20k ninjas (they had like 50k before whicle there were 80k Zetsus I believe)

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. You can see it knocked him out of KM doing so.

So taking all of that into consideration, Naruto at full power and strength could just increase his defensive power using more chakra as he did for thousands of others and wouldn't be as wiped out as he is.

 

[Retsu]

The ribs were broken by Ay who is one of the strongest Shinobi when it come to physical power.
V2 was broken by Ay and Onoki together who are two Kage level Shinobi ( Onoki controlling the weight of Ay for attack and speed )

Danzo also penetrated the v2 susanoo with his summon and vacuum wind bullets, Nardo's pseudo jinchuuriki tanked juubi sized flames, Maddy's Yasaka Magatama attack, which required the combined force of Oonoki and Gaara to block, and to top it off it tanked a Juubi powered explosion, which even shocked Madara. the practicality of the bijuu cloaks far exceeds those of Susanoo.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

So not so long ago we have found out the extend of BSM durability and i would like to clear out how it compares to that of PS​

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^^^ BSM durability is equivalent to that of senjutsu v3 susanoo. Both were destroyed yet provided enough defense for users to survive.

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^^^ Here is another braking point of senjutsu v3 susanoo and of BSM by comparison.

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^^^ Here is the punishment PS went through until most of it got destroyed.

Now i personally view 11 or more full kurama TBBs going off near simultaneously and hundred fist punches (each is comparable to biju tail in size) to be a greater damage out put then what BSM or senjutsu v3 susanoo went through.

So thoughts?​

P.S is a selfish jutsu . It only defends the user while BM can be spread among all allies and it can protect every 1 not just the user.

 

[BlinkST]

P.S is a selfish jutsu . It only defends the user while BM can be spread among all allies and it can protect every 1 not just the user.

(Nobody cares)

 

[End of Days]

a small chakra cloak tanked an attack of this magnitude

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whereas madara's susanoo couldnt withstand a small scale attack like this

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so no, when comparing bijuu mode and susanoo of the same size bijuu mode cloak appears more tough

 

[Brooks]

a small chakra cloak tanked an attack of this magnitude

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whereas madara's susanoo couldnt withstand a small scale attack like this

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so no, when comparing bijuu mode and susanoo of the same size bijuu mode cloak appears more tough

And where does it show in that scan Kyuubi Naruto tanking that attacked?​

 

[Sennin of Logic]

So not so long ago we have found out the extend of BSM durability and i would like to clear out how it compares to that of PS​

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^^^ BSM durability is equivalent to that of senjutsu v3 susanoo. Both were destroyed yet provided enough defense for users to survive.

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^^^ Here is another braking point of senjutsu v3 susanoo and of BSM by comparison.

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^^^ Here is the punishment PS went through until most of it got destroyed.

Now i personally view 11 or more full kurama TBBs going off near simultaneously and hundred fist punches (each is comparable to biju tail in size) to be a greater damage out put then what BSM or senjutsu v3 susanoo went through.

So thoughts?​

That was V3 susanoo + 9 tails cloak + senjutsu. In other words, it was a seriously buffed up susanoo. Perfect susanoo's durability on average is tougher, however, this is what BM alone is capable of when Naruto can use his tails as a shield.

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So, PS might be tougher on average, but BSM clearly surpasses it in defense when Naruto shields himself with his tails.

 

[AlphaScythian]

That was V3 susanoo + 9 tails cloak + senjutsu. In other words, it was a seriously buffed up susanoo. Perfect susanoo's durability on average is tougher, however, this is what BM alone is capable of when Naruto can use his tails as a shield.

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So, PS might be tougher on average, but BSM clearly surpasses it in defense when Naruto shields himself with his tails.

Juubi laser argument again? What makes you think V3 wouldnt tank it? Oh right nothing at all.
It was V1 juubi, whose power obito had limited.
Not to mention that its was raw chakra stream and not actual lazer such as bee used and BM naruto.

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V3 tanked tenpenchi and the area of devastation of that surpasses TBB bm and hachibi used on gedo mazou and anything else aside juubi's own TBBs.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Juubi laser argument again? What makes you think V3 wouldnt tank it? Oh right nothing at all.
It was V1 juubi, whose power obito had limited.
Not to mention that its was raw chakra stream and not actual lazer such as bee used and BM naruto.

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V3 tanked tenpenchi and the area of devastation of that surpasses TBB bm and hachibi used on gedo mazou and anything else aside juubi's own TBBs.

And that matters how? Let me show you the destructive feat of that laser in case you missed it.

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It mowed a trench through a mountain range easily 7 mountains long. That's easily more impressive than an attack that makes a valley(buddah statue). Naruto managed to tank the laser with his tails in normal BM. Therefore BSM's tail durability is far beyond an attack capable of destroying 7 mountains in a row.


V3 did not make it out of tenpenchi without damage.

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Also, you're not helping your case by using that example. Madara needed a miniature monster to defend himself from that attack. Naruto's 9 tails chakra is little more than a skin yet kept him more intact than Madara's susanoo. If we use the tenpenchi example, BSM would almost certainly be tougher.

 

[Turson]

Not to mention that its was raw chakra stream and not actual lazer such as bee used and BM naruto.

Well, it was more like actual laser, as it was more focused, therefore harder to tank. Overall, I think that Kurama and PS are pretty much equal in power.

 

[AGoodBoy]

IDK, Maybe.

PS tanked a point blank TBB without getting a scratch.
BM cloak got partially damaged from tanking a TBB laser, albeit from the juubi.

 

[Strict]

Juubi survived its own oval TBB inside of itself without visible damage, it also survived its own massive TBB while being jailed in the Hokages barrier. Jet the alliance which was cloaked in Kyuubi's Chakra, cut through its tails. Because the type of these attacks are different. Unless you tell me that Kyuubi's Chakra > Juubi's massive TBB.

 

[AlphaScythian]

And that matters how? Let me show you the destructive feat of that laser in case you missed it.

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It mowed a trench through a mountain range easily 7 mountains long. That's easily more impressive than an attack that makes a valley(buddah statue). Naruto managed to tank the laser with his tails in normal BM. Therefore BSM's tail durability is far beyond an attack capable of destroying 7 mountains in a row.

That matter because all that chakra didnt explode upon hitting naruto. It did with the mountains thou.
And the difference is that as TBB going off or just causing kinetic damage U_U

V3 did not make it out of tenpenchi without damage.

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WTF are you circling there? V3 is unscratched.

Also, you're not helping your case by using that example. Madara needed a miniature monster to defend himself from that attack. Naruto's 9 tails chakra is little more than a skin yet kept him more intact than Madara's susanoo. If we use the tenpenchi example, BSM would almost certainly be tougher.

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I dont think its that simple. Anyway...

Madara was expecting more from it, as susanoo isnt damaged he clearly overreacted there.
Clearly Naruto's body is infused with kurama's chakra and makes him more durable.
Sure BSM > over regular V3

Well, it was more like actual laser, as it was more focused, therefore harder to tank. Overall, I think that Kurama and PS are pretty much equal in power.

No. that chakra is supposed to explode as TBB does to cause extra damage, otherwise its just kinetic damage, which naruto deflected more then actually tanked.

 

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[Sennin of Logic]

That matter because all that chakra didnt explode upon hitting naruto. It did with the mountains thou.
And the difference is that as TBB going off or just causing kinetic damage U_U


WTF are you circling there? V3 is unscratched.

Also, you're not helping your case by using that example. Madara needed a miniature monster to defend himself from that attack. Naruto's 9 tails chakra is little more than a skin yet kept him more intact than Madara's susanoo. If we use the tenpenchi example, BSM would almost certainly be tougher.

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I dont think its that simple. Anyway...

Madara was expecting more from it, as susanoo isnt damaged he clearly overreacted there.
Clearly Naruto's body is infused with kurama's chakra and makes him more durable.
Sure BSM > over regular V3

No. that chakra is supposed to explode as TBB does to cause extra damage, otherwise its just kinetic damage, which naruto deflected more then actually tanked.[/QUOTE]


I don't think it's the nature for it to explode. It looked more like an energy beam than an explosive. Also, ask yourself this, why wouldn't Naruto's tails register as an object to the laser while the mountains do? The tails definitely blocked it. Don't underestimate a bijus tails. It was said in the prolog of Naruto that a single swipe from the 9 tails' tail could destroy mountains and create tsunamis.


Look again. That arm that I circled was ripped straight off the susanoo. Also, take this into consideration.

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Despite being much thinner than susanoo, the one tail cloaks protected the ninjas from physical harm.

 

[AlphaScythian]

I don't think it's the nature for it to explode. It looked more like an energy beam than an explosive. Also, ask yourself this, why wouldn't Naruto's tails register as an object to the laser while the mountains do? The tails definitely blocked it. Don't underestimate a bijus tails. It was said in the prolog of Naruto that a single swipe from the 9 tails' tail could destroy mountains and create tsunamis.

Its just raw juubi chakra as it has chakra drawing. If its not meant to explode then its still weaker as its just kinetic energy.
Look again at that scan the tails clearly deflected the beam into many smaller ones.
Thus deflected not tanked, which didnt happen with mountains as it went off and explosion created whole lots of dust and smoke around.

Look again. That arm that I circled was ripped straight off the susanoo. Also, take this into consideration.

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Despite being much thinner than susanoo, the one tail cloaks protected the ninjas from physical harm.

Look again yourself, arm is still connected to the elbow.

V3 unscratched, fodders clearly got weaker cloak and freaking KOed, it did save them thou. Im aware of that, now what?